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Justin W
29 February 2020 10:40:07


 


Sounds like he's on some mind altering drugs. That would mean 980 million Chinese are going to come down with it.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


I don’t think anybody expects that given the severe Chinese response. However, I don’t think we are able to isolate entire communities in the way China has.


Whatever happens, I expect my elective surgery in April to be cancelled.


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speckledjim
29 February 2020 10:45:12


 


I don’t think anybody expects that given the severe Chinese response. However, I don’t think we are able to isolate entire communities in the way China has.


Whatever happens, I expect my elective surgery in April to be cancelled.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


I've looked all over twitter for his comments re hospitalisation and there is no mention anywhere of him quoting those figures. The consensus seems to be that he provided calm explanations to Nick Robinson.


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doctormog
29 February 2020 10:46:19

No doubt in true hypocritical style we will when thus all settled down be told by all the same sources that “we” overreacted.


Edit: I have also  been looking for a direct official quote but what is reported is seemingly an unnamed source in a worst case (highly unrealistic scenario). For all we know it could have been someone with no epidemiology experience who is involved in contingency planning who had to set an arbitrary “worst case figure” based on historical evidence in completely different circumstances.


Justin W
29 February 2020 10:53:05
Here is a Telegraph report from yesterday which, as Michael says, quotes NHS sources and describes it as worst case:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/28/coronavirus-one-10-people-uk-could-hospitalised/ 
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Roger Parsons
29 February 2020 10:55:53


  As I said in my response to Brian’s post, I expect they’re as concerned about the results of panic, so they’d have to be seen to be doing something. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 

Fiddling while Rome... errr "Worries"?


Heavy rain here now. 10.55hrs


R.


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speckledjim
29 February 2020 11:00:28

Here is a Telegraph report from yesterday which, as Michael says, quotes NHS sources and describes it as worst case:

Originally Posted by: Justin W 

">https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/28/coronavirus-one-10-people-uk-could-hospitalised/


 


So nothing more than scenario planning and certainly now what you suggested - "Reports this morning suggest the Govt expects 70% of the U.K. population to become infected with one in 10 of the country hospitalised".


Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Bugglesgate
29 February 2020 11:01:46


Brexit loving Mr Witherspoon has said staff will not get any sick pay if they have to self isolate. Funny that, as they don't get sick pay anyway!


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Spoons sound just the place to sup a pint in these circumstances.  Won't effect me though,  I never darken their doorway  at the best of times.


 


 


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Retron
29 February 2020 11:02:48


  As I said in my response to Brian’s post, I expect they’re as concerned about the results of panic, so they’d have to be seen to be doing something. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


...which is why they come out with rubbish about millions potentially being hospitalised (which is of course impossible, there must be tens of thousands of hospital beds in this country, not millions!)


EDIT: Looks like 142,000 as of three years ago, having fallen from 299,000 in 1987.


https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/nhs-hospital-bed-numbers


 


Leysdown, north Kent
Brian Gaze
29 February 2020 11:05:27


 


...which is why they come out with rubbish about millions potentially being hospitalised (which is of course impossible... there must be tens of thousands of hospital beds in this country, not millions!)


Originally Posted by: Retron 


I doubt they even have enough trolleys.  At least it should revive the undertaking industry.  It had been described as a dying business in the UK due to the spiralling costs of funerals. 


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Retron
29 February 2020 11:08:49


I doubt they even have enough trolleys.  At least it should revive the undertaking industry.  It had been described as a dying business in the UK due to the spiralling costs of funerals. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Badum-tish!


 


 


 


Leysdown, north Kent
Justin W
29 February 2020 11:08:59


">https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/28/coronavirus-one-10-people-uk-could-hospitalised/

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


 


So nothing more than scenario planning and certainly now what you suggested - "Reports this morning suggest the Govt expects 70% of the U.K. population to become infected with one in 10 of the country hospitalised".



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Essan
29 February 2020 11:34:59

Coronavirus: I have the coronavirus. So far, it isn't that bad


I breathe easily, and I don't have a stuffy nose. My chest feels tight, and I have coughing spells.


If I were at home with similar symptoms, I probably would have gone to work as usual.



Read it and make up your own mind how serious this is and whether the response so far is proportionate or not.


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
29 February 2020 12:27:38

Serie A have actually cancelled the 5 games that were originally to be played behind closed doors this weekend . If they can't even  play behind closed doors then we could see the abandonment of the league in a worse case scenario.  Squeaky bum time for Liverpool fans. 


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Justin W
29 February 2020 12:34:46


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Gandalf The White
29 February 2020 12:49:07


Coronavirus: I have the coronavirus. So far, it isn't that bad




Read it and make up your own mind how serious this is and whether the response so far is proportionate or not.


 


Originally Posted by: Essan 


From that piece:


"It does seem likely that coronavirus will spread in the US, but it won't help anybody if we all panic."


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Polar Low
29 February 2020 13:11:54

it could have a knock on effect thou hospital turnarounds and reablement programs to get older people and people who need help at home rather than staying in hospital also those who need ongoing care #homeinstead# weather that’s paid for or not it looks like those vulnerable people will be at risk at home due to different careers coming in from different locations like my mum has,it could get to the stage where nobody could come.

Roger Parsons
29 February 2020 13:32:48


So nothing more than scenario planning and certainly now what you suggested - "Reports this morning suggest the Govt expects 70% of the U.K. population to become infected with one in 10 of the country hospitalised".


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


 


A thought experiment for you, Justin...


If containment does not work, do we just submit to the random spread of the virus or do we "take back control"? [To borrow a phrase.]


I am in one of the high risk categories, so I'd like to decide when to expose myself to infection - and sooner rather than later. I'd be quite happy to drive myself to a quarantine centre, book myself in, be exposed to someone infected, let the disease run it's course in a safe place and then, if still alive, drive myself home.


My thought is a lot of folks might well share this view - elective infection of covid-19 under controlled conditions. Then we are out and back to normal, or dead. [Without having to wait for that to happen.]


The positives are undeniable. Ethics the stumbling block.


What do you think?


Roger


 


 


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Brian Gaze
29 February 2020 13:42:10

Just back from town. Rammed as usual on a Saturday. Lots of people here travel frequently for work and pleasure. Could Berkhamsted be one of the UK's leading cora hotspots? 


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The Beast from the East
29 February 2020 13:49:57


 


Exactly. That and the fact it says “look we’re doing something” where’d in reality what is being done will be/should be mostly behind the scenes. 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Was that what this morning's email from Central Office briefed you to say? 


Judging by the calls to LBC from healthcare professionals, they are adlibbing it themselves with confusing and contradictory directives from up above


The reality is your beloved Tory govt is not going to take any extreme measures like the Italians, because it cannot afford to. The economy is hanging by a thread as it is, and we have a hard Brexit on the way too. Sunak is allegedly going to cut income tax by 2p and increasing public spending paid for by a massive (Corbynista) borrowing spree. Its not sustainable if there is a global recession and borrowing no longer becomes cheap


But you keep telling us the Tories are great with money


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The Beast from the East
29 February 2020 13:57:19


 


 


A thought experiment for you, Justin...


If containment does not work, do we just submit to the random spread of the virus or do we "take back control"? [To borrow a phrase.]


I am in one of the high risk categories, so I'd like to decide when to expose myself to infection - and sooner rather than later. I'd be quite happy to drive myself to a quarantine centre, book myself in, be exposed to someone infected, let the disease run it's course in a safe place and then, if still alive, drive myself home.


My thought is a lot of folks might well share this view - elective infection of covid-19 under controlled conditions. Then we are out and back to normal, or dead. [Without having to wait for that to happen.]


 


 


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


According to healthcare expert who called into LBC, there are only 15 specialist isolation beds in the UK - the sealed room etc


What would happen is the military would be called into to set up tents to house patients with the virus


 


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Quantum
29 February 2020 14:22:40


">https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/28/coronavirus-one-10-people-uk-could-hospitalised/


So nothing more than scenario planning and certainly now what you suggested - "Reports this morning suggest the Govt expects 70% of the U.K. population to become infected with one in 10 of the country hospitalised".


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


70% of the population infected at a 2% CFR would be the worst pandemic we have seen since the Spanish influenza.


 


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Quantum
29 February 2020 14:24:14

France, Germany and Spain look like they are at high risk of becoming Italys. Signs of teetering into the exponential phase.


The UK seems to still be in 'isolated outbreak' phase. But that could change very quickly.


 


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The Beast from the East
29 February 2020 14:25:27


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Quantum
29 February 2020 14:25:38


No sign of exponential growth yet in Italy, so R0 still probably around 1. They have clearly done a good job at effectively containing this.


 


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Quantum
29 February 2020 14:29:50

The US is going to be a problem.


Arguably they are already at epidemic levels there, there is certainly sustained local transmission and the response has been thoroughly incompetent.


If the US becomes a 2nd Iran then I can't see how we can avoid it here.


 


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