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The Beast from the East
01 March 2020 21:55:42


 



Nah, the fridge 


Originally Posted by: Essan 


shame he can’t keep his sperm in the freezer 


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Brian Gaze
01 March 2020 21:56:05

Probably been posted already but this is a good map:


https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6


 


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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The Beast from the East
01 March 2020 22:03:27


 


 


Local Chemist for local people has sold out round here.  Can get it for  £17 /  500 ml on Amazon.  No  idea what price it generally is as it isn't something I usually buy but seems pricey for some IPA and  "gunge".


I've got a shed load   of liquid  IPA here that I use for flux removal for PCB's.  Might buy a load of "gung" (something like Alo Vera) and mix my own.


Highlights the problem with the market economy though.  Slightest pressure on the system, supply dries up and  the spivs crawl our of their dung heap  and screw everyone !


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


i have dry skin problems and these alcohol based gels damage the skin if overused. I don’t have lung problems so I’m not afraid of catching it. Living in a highly populated area and as a frequenter of pubs, I know it will be hard to avoid 


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Polar Low
01 March 2020 22:08:01

some of the cheaper ones don’t have the required minimum 60% alcohol content to kill most viruses generally the higher the content the better unless sensitive skin is an issue.


Good Housekeeping suggests vodka. Wellness bloggers plump for things such as witch-hazel and aloe vera.


Asian markets opening soon await with bated breath.



 


The 2 local Aldis here are out of stock.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

The Beast from the East
01 March 2020 22:18:55


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Polar Low
01 March 2020 22:30:39

You probably know Chris but be careful of IPA on the hands it can be very dangerous stuff in fact it was banned for use in the factory I used to work under cosh rules I have used vinegar in the past to clean solid state boards.


 



 


 


Local Chemist for local people has sold out round here.  Can get it for  £17 /  500 ml on Amazon.  No  idea what price it generally is as it isn't something I usually buy but seems pricey for some IPA and  "gunge".


I've got a shed load   of liquid  IPA here that I use for flux removal for PCB's.  Might buy a load of "gung" (something like Alo Vera) and mix my own.


Highlights the problem with the market economy though.  Slightest pressure on the system, supply dries up and  the spivs crawl our of their dung heap  and screw everyone !


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 

Gandalf The White
01 March 2020 23:07:33




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Helpful to be have it reconfirmed what a complete moron he has been for years.


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Quantum
01 March 2020 23:11:54

Italy seems like it may have reached the exponential phase now but only in the Lombardy region.


The overwhelming majority of cases in Europe outside of Italy are either linked to Italy or Iran.


China is almost virus free outside of Hubei.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gandalf The White
01 March 2020 23:17:23


Italy seems like it may have reached the exponential phase now but only in the Lombardy region.


The overwhelming majority of cases in Europe outside of Italy are either linked to Italy or Iran.


China is almost virus free outside of Hubei.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Suggestions in more than one country now that the virus has been circulating 'for weeks': both Italy and the US.


On the one hand that's bad news but on the other it supports the argument that a lot of cases are so mild as to be missed.


I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that Covid-19 is here to stay, just like so many other Coronavirus variants. Just like influenza, we will have to rely on a vaccine being developed: lets's hope one can be found that works, that can be developed and produced on a large scale inside the next 9-12 months and that the virus doesn't mutate into anything more potent.


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Quantum
01 March 2020 23:32:52

12 new cases in England. I fear we are entering a new phase now

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Not in the UK I don't think yet.


No sustained local transmission, only isolated.


Also the overwhelming majority of cases imported from either Italy or Iran.


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
bowser
01 March 2020 23:34:12


Presumably the close down the borders and transport folk think Scotland should close its border with England? So far there has only been one recorded case in Scotland and it is directly linked to the Italian outbreak.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


that ship sailed in January w.r.t. China. Pointless now. Chinese govt could have responded earlier too instead of silencing whistleblowers in December last year. IMO, there has been an inevitability to it for the last 4-5 weeks.

xioni2
01 March 2020 23:35:31


Not in the UK I don't think yet.


No sustained local transmission, only isolated.


Also the overwhelming majority of cases imported from either Italy or Iran.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Quantum
01 March 2020 23:38:31


 


Suggestions in more than one country now that the virus has been circulating 'for weeks': both Italy and the US.


On the one hand that's bad news but on the other it supports the argument that a lot of cases are so mild as to be missed.


I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that Covid-19 is here to stay, just like so many other Coronavirus variants. Just like influenza, we will have to rely on a vaccine being developed: lets's hope one can be found that works, that can be developed and produced on a large scale inside the next 9-12 months and that the virus doesn't mutate into anything more potent.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Diamond princess/ South korea should help give us a better idea about the exact mortality rate. The former because we have a complete sample and the later because they are testing more vigorously than any other country and are picking up more mild cases.


Even so the information even for the diamond princess will still take many weeks because these cases take so long to resolve themselves.


 


And yes COVID-19 may become ubiqitous in which case eventually it will just be like regular flu with a similarly benign mortality level. The highest risk will be in the first year or so before any vacine has been developed and the virus hasn't had chance to mutate into something less harmful.


 


Delaying this will be crucial because if we get an outbreak across the UK our healthservice will collapse. And that's even in a very optimistic scenario. But I do not expect that to necessarily happen because individuals and the authorties will take measures to delay and mitigate the spread.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
The Beast from the East
02 March 2020 00:47:05


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Ally Pally Snowman
02 March 2020 01:44:16


Italy seems like it may have reached the exponential phase now but only in the Lombardy region.


The overwhelming majority of cases in Europe outside of Italy are either linked to Italy or Iran.


China is almost virus free outside of Hubei.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


Obviously the Chinese numbers are horsesh1t. Today for example San Marino 7 cases 1 death. China outside Hubei 6 cases . If the Chinese numbers are correct we dont need to worry much as the virus will magically disappear in about a month.


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Retron
02 March 2020 04:29:11

From the Tele this morning - nice to see they recommend panic-buying!


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/01/virus-will-get-worse-gets-better-boris-johnson-warns/


Coronavirus has entered a stage where it can no longer be contained in Britain and public health efforts must move towards delaying the spread, experts warned as cases soared.


...


"We can expect to see further increases in the next few days. Although it may still be possible to prevent a community wide epidemic this is looking increasingly unlikely and we should be prepared to cope with a more widespread epidemic on our shores."


Peter Openshaw, Professor of Experimental Medicine, Imperial College London, and a government advisor on pandemics, said it was time for people to start stockpiling at least four weeks worth of prescription medication as well as extra provisions during their weekly shops.


 


 


Leysdown, north Kent
DEW
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02 March 2020 07:07:18


 I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that Covid-19 is here to stay, just like so many other Coronavirus variants. Just like influenza, we will have to rely on a vaccine being developed: lets's hope one can be found that works, that can be developed and produced on a large scale inside the next 9-12 months and that the virus doesn't mutate into anything more potent.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Agreed though I don't know whether that merits  or


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Chichester 12m asl
Brian Gaze
02 March 2020 07:26:41


 


Suggestions in more than one country now that the virus has been circulating 'for weeks': both Italy and the US.


On the one hand that's bad news but on the other it supports the argument that a lot of cases are so mild as to be missed.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


That is why I called it a "super cold". Influenza I think affects most people badly if they have no immunity to it. It has always been said that it leaves even a healthy person weakened significantly and unable to go about their normal activities for several days. I think it is too early to be certain but that does not appear to be the case with the new virus.


It's also not clear to me whether the virus is here to stay. Logic would suggest it is but the number of cases in China genuinely appears to be falling. In fact if the data coming from there isn't bogus it is possible the virus will fade away with less than 100,000 people out of 1.3 billion being infected.


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speckledjim
02 March 2020 07:43:45


 


That is why I called it a "super cold". Influenza I think affects most people badly if they have no immunity to it. It has always been said that it leaves even a healthy person weakened significantly and unable to go about their normal activities for several days. I think it is too early to be certain but that does not appear to be the case with the new virus.


It's also not clear to me whether the virus is here to stay. Logic would suggest it is but the number of cases in China genuinely appears to be falling. In fact if the data coming from there isn't bogus it is possible the virus will fade away with less than 100,000 people out of 1.3 billion being infected.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I think as summer approaches it will tail off in Europe but never quite go away and it will increase again as it gets colder in Autumn/Winter. By then hopefully we should have a vaccine which will help protect those that are most vulnerable. 


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02 March 2020 07:51:59
CreweCold
02 March 2020 07:56:19

On the ground in Iran
Originally Posted by: four 

">https://twitter.com/aliostad


Yeah, doesn't look like just a heavy cold to me.



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Brian Gaze
02 March 2020 08:00:13

On the ground in Iran
Originally Posted by: four 

">https://twitter.com/aliostad


He's predicting the country will collapse in the next few days. At least it is a definite prediction and one relatively easy to verify. I think he made it yesterday so we'll see by Wednesday. 


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Bugglesgate
02 March 2020 08:00:19


You probably know Chris but be careful of IPA on the hands it can be very dangerous stuff in fact it was banned for use in the factory I used to work under cosh rules I have used vinegar in the past to clean solid state boards


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


 


Indeed,  it can  cause dermatitis  and be absorbed but probably the worst problem  when cleaning PCBs is it gets loaded with flux that can cause allergy  and increased sensitivity with prolonged exposure.


We still use it at work but we operate a specialist in house repair organisation in a "big physics" institution so volume is   low and we use protective gloves and fume extraction.


Most large PCB fabs now use lead free solder and   water soluble flux.  Cleaning is water based in detergent baths (the detergent can also screw your hands up royally as well, so strictly no hand contact).


 


 


 


Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
Maunder Minimum
02 March 2020 08:02:04


 


That is why I called it a "super cold". Influenza I think affects most people badly if they have no immunity to it. It has always been said that it leaves even a healthy person weakened significantly and unable to go about their normal activities for several days. I think it is too early to be certain but that does not appear to be the case with the new virus.


It's also not clear to me whether the virus is here to stay. Logic would suggest it is but the number of cases in China genuinely appears to be falling. In fact if the data coming from there isn't bogus it is possible the virus will fade away with less than 100,000 people out of 1.3 billion being infected.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


It cannot both be true that a large number of people can be infected without knowing it and that fewer than 100,000 people out of 1.3 billion have been infected in China. If people can have the virus without being aware of it, the total number who have been infected could be massively understated.


But China is only beating the virus by taking the strictest of quarantine measures, something western countries are either unwilling or unable to do.


Iran is the test bed of a laissez-faire approach, but we don't have any credible statistics from there.


But I repeat that the WHO has been behind the curve on this one, possibly because they have been criticised in the past for being too zealous - but better to be over-zealous than to let the pandemic happen as it has.


New world order coming.
Bugglesgate
02 March 2020 08:05:16


 


It cannot both be true that a large number of people can be infected without knowing it and that fewer than 100,000 people out of 1.3 billion have been infected in China. If people can have the virus without being aware of it, the total number who have been infected could be massively understated.


But China is only beating the virus by taking the strictest of quarantine measures, something western countries are either unwilling or unable to do.


Iran is the test bed of a laissez-faire approach, but we don't have any credible statistics from there.


But I repeat that the WHO has been behind the curve on this one, possibly because they have been criticised in the past for being too zealous - but better to be over-zealous than to let the pandemic happen as it has.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


IF China beat this  but the virus  runs wild in Western countries, I should imagine the boot will soon be on the foot and strict restrictions will be in place  on travel from the Chinese side.


 


 


 


Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"

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