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Gavin D
02 March 2020 12:44:53

UK remains in phase one following the COBRA meeting which is containment

Northern Sky
02 March 2020 12:45:55


 


I would suggest that instead of imposing deprivations on everyone, those at higher risk of complications from Covid-19 self-isolate wherever possible. The vast majority of the country could then get on with everyday life.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


The problem with this is that those with a higher risk are also very often those who rely on others to care for them. They don't really have the option of self isolation.

xioni2
02 March 2020 12:46:46


Without imposing (by force) extremely draconian measures, Covid-19 is going to spread in the UK and other countries (and even extremely draconian measures don't guarantee no spread).


Furthermore, we know that for the vast majority of people who do contract this, the symptoms are not severe, let alone deadly.


But for the elderly, infirm and immuno-compromised, there is the potential for Covid-19 to be serious and, more a minority, deadly.


 I would suggest that instead of imposing deprivations on everyone, those at higher risk of complications from Covid-19 self-isolate wherever possible. The vast majority of the country could then get on with everyday life.


I'd also be strict regarding the hospitalisation of people without severe reactions/complications. Treatment should predominantly be undertaken at home - but with, say, a special dedicated service for those with the virus and at home, if the symptoms become severe or complications arise, whereby they will be fast-tracked into care by a professional.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


That's probably spot on.


xioni2
02 March 2020 12:51:27


 The problem with this is that those with a higher risk are also very often those who rely on others to care for them. They don't really have the option of self isolation.


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


Yeah that's more tricky, their carers should probably take more measures too? (easier said than done, I know).

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02 March 2020 12:51:55


Without imposing (by force) extremely draconian measures, Covid-19 is going to spread in the UK and other countries (and even extremely draconian measures don't guarantee no spread).


Furthermore, we know that for the vast majority of people who do contract this, the symptoms are not severe, let alone deadly.


But for the elderly, infirm and immuno-compromised, there is the potential for Covid-19 to be serious and, more a minority, deadly.


 


I would suggest that instead of imposing deprivations on everyone, those at higher risk of complications from Covid-19 self-isolate wherever possible. The vast majority of the country could then get on with everyday life.


I'd also be strict regarding the hospitalisation of people without severe reactions/complications. Treatment should predominantly be undertaken at home - but with, say, a special dedicated service for those with the virus and at home, if the symptoms become severe or complications arise, whereby they will be fast-tracked into care by a professional.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I’d personally agree with that but it’s not as simple as it sounds.  Those who are most at risk, elderly and infirm, generally need daily care and would likely be exposed to it by their carers.  How do we square that circle, other than continue as we are?


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speckledjim
02 March 2020 12:52:11


Without imposing (by force) extremely draconian measures, Covid-19 is going to spread in the UK and other countries (and even extremely draconian measures don't guarantee no spread).


Furthermore, we know that for the vast majority of people who do contract this, the symptoms are not severe, let alone deadly.


But for the elderly, infirm and immuno-compromised, there is the potential for Covid-19 to be serious and, more a minority, deadly.


 


I would suggest that instead of imposing deprivations on everyone, those at higher risk of complications from Covid-19 self-isolate wherever possible. The vast majority of the country could then get on with everyday life.


I'd also be strict regarding the hospitalisation of people without severe reactions/complications. Treatment should predominantly be undertaken at home - but with, say, a special dedicated service for those with the virus and at home, if the symptoms become severe or complications arise, whereby they will be fast-tracked into care by a professional.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


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Polar Low
02 March 2020 12:55:38

Spot on as I said yesterday some of those are already at home with support including not just older people, rather than clogging up hospital it is a worry that those careers can’t come weather that’s family members or agency.


 



 


The problem with this is that those with a higher risk are also very often those who rely on others to care for them. They don't really have the option of self isolation.


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 

speckledjim
02 March 2020 12:56:46
Mortality rate for closed cases continues to drop - now down to 6%
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Heavy Weather 2013
02 March 2020 12:56:49

My employer remains very supportive and I am waiting to see how things develop this week. If things do go down hill I will be requesting special dispensation to work from home. I have few social activities planned during the next few weeks so this will reduce any exposure to a minimum.


I certainly don't want to have to put my life on hold - but for the first time since becoming immune compromised 17 years ago, I am genuinely starting to get nervous. A serious case of Pneumonia at the best of times could have a significant impact on me, this I worry could be fatal 


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Arcus
02 March 2020 12:59:03


Without imposing (by force) extremely draconian measures, Covid-19 is going to spread in the UK and other countries (and even extremely draconian measures don't guarantee no spread).


Furthermore, we know that for the vast majority of people who do contract this, the symptoms are not severe, let alone deadly.


But for the elderly, infirm and immuno-compromised, there is the potential for Covid-19 to be serious and, more a minority, deadly.


 


I would suggest that instead of imposing deprivations on everyone, those at higher risk of complications from Covid-19 self-isolate wherever possible. The vast majority of the country could then get on with everyday life.


I'd also be strict regarding the hospitalisation of people without severe reactions/complications. Treatment should predominantly be undertaken at home - but with, say, a special dedicated service for those with the virus and at home, if the symptoms become severe or complications arise, whereby they will be fast-tracked into care by a professional.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I had a sobering conversation with a senior medical professional this morning. Not normally known for hyperbole, his take was that just about everyone in the UK would contract Covid-19 this year. 


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Quantum
02 March 2020 13:01:47


 


I had a sobering conversation with a senior medical professional this morning. Not normally known for hyperbole, his take was that just about everyone in the UK would contract Covid-19 this year. 


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


 



 


China has taken draconian cases to control this, however, the virus has not run riot in places such as SK, Japan, Singapore etc so the figures of 60-80% are not remotely valid.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


 


So Perhaps it is remotely valid?


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Joe Bloggs
02 March 2020 13:02:29


My employer remains very supportive and I am waiting to see how things develop this week. If things do go down hill I will be requesting special dispensation to work from home. I have few social activities planned during the next few weeks so this will reduce any exposure to a minimum.


I certainly don't want to have to put my life on hold - but for the first time since becoming immune compromised 17 years ago, I am genuinely starting to get nervous. A serious case of Pneumonia at the best of times could have a significant impact on me, this I worry could be fatal 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Hey Mark 🙂.


Surely if you’ve been on medication for quite some time now, and you’re undetectable, the risk shouldn’t be any greater to you than it is to anyone else? 



Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL

Quantum
02 March 2020 13:06:18


My employer remains very supportive and I am waiting to see how things develop this week. If things do go down hill I will be requesting special dispensation to work from home. I have few social activities planned during the next few weeks so this will reduce any exposure to a minimum.


I certainly don't want to have to put my life on hold - but for the first time since becoming immune compromised 17 years ago, I am genuinely starting to get nervous. A serious case of Pneumonia at the best of times could have a significant impact on me, this I worry could be fatal 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


The good thing is that without close or casual contact it seems quite difficult to catch. Whenever I go outside I always santitize my hands with an alcohol disinfectant after touching any surface. I regularly clean my phone too as a possible high risk surface.


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Northern Sky
02 March 2020 13:08:30


 


Yeah that's more tricky, their carers should probably take more measures too? (easier said than done, I know).


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Yes, it's something I'm starting to think about. Given the nature of my job it's highly likely I'll be exposed to the virus. If I get it I can isolate myself but I have an 83yr old mum who is in poor health and relies on my help at least a couple of times a week.


Obviously if I'm showing symptoms I can stay away and she will have to cope somehow but as I said earlier to Roger, the worry for me is passing something on before symptoms show. That also goes for the children I work with who have serious health issues.


I don't expect anyone to have any answers, I suppose I just wanted to share my worries!

Quantum
02 March 2020 13:10:21


 


Yes, it's something I'm starting to think about. Given the nature of my job it's highly likely I'll be exposed to the virus. If I get it I can isolate myself but I have an 83yr old mum who is in poor health and relies on my help at least a couple of times a week.


Obviously if I'm showing symptoms I can stay away and she will have to cope somehow but as I said earlier to Roger, the worry for me is passing something on before symptoms show. That also goes for the children I work with who have serious health issues.


I don't expect anyone to have any answers, I suppose I just wanted to share my worries!


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


Of course it's possible, but likely more difficult than when symptoms materialize.


Avoid all close contact and disinfect any surfaces. If you stay 6 ft away from people then it's hard to catch if you arn't coughing or sneezing.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
westv
02 March 2020 13:13:36
Hard to keep 6' away from people if using public transport.
At least it will be mild!
Quantum
02 March 2020 13:14:32

Hard to keep 6' away from people if using public transport.

Originally Posted by: westv 


Indeed.


Don't use public transport where possible.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Polar Low
02 March 2020 13:15:37

6mm if on underground


 

Hard to keep 6' away from people if using public transport.

Originally Posted by: westv 

speckledjim
02 March 2020 13:16:20


 


Yes, it's something I'm starting to think about. Given the nature of my job it's highly likely I'll be exposed to the virus. If I get it I can isolate myself but I have an 83yr old mum who is in poor health and relies on my help at least a couple of times a week.


Obviously if I'm showing symptoms I can stay away and she will have to cope somehow but as I said earlier to Roger, the worry for me is passing something on before symptoms show. That also goes for the children I work with who have serious health issues.


I don't expect anyone to have any answers, I suppose I just wanted to share my worries!


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


If you take sensible precautions at all times then the risk of you passing it on would be low. I’m ensuring that I was my hands more often e.g returning from the gym and supermarket. I’m also much more conscious keeping away from people if I need to cough. My wife had flu last week and the rest of the family kept away from her. We’re all fine and she is too now.


Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Joe Bloggs
02 March 2020 13:16:33


 


Indeed.


Don't use public transport where possible.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


This is where the problems come in. That’s impossible for vast numbers of the UK population, especially those who are on lower than average incomes. 



Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL

Quantum
02 March 2020 13:18:07


 


This is where the problems come in. That’s impossible for vast numbers of the UK population, especially those who are on lower than average incomes. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


One advantage of taking up jogging.


Most people can easily do a 10 minute mile. 3 mile range for 30 minutes, or 6 mile range for 60 minutes.


If you cycle, multiply it by 3 at least.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
speckledjim
02 March 2020 13:20:12
In Lombardy they have advised over 65s to stay at home and not go out for the next 2-3 weeks.
Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Quantum
02 March 2020 13:23:29

I mean you'd be amazed at how many people take the bus for a route that takes 20 minutes jogging. In fact in some places (such as Exeter from the outside to the CC) I can consistently beat the bus at a light jog.


Even with baggage a 10 minute mile is achivable for most (provided you are male and under the age of 60). A 15 minute mile, just about anyone can do with training.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Brian Gaze
02 March 2020 13:24:08

If the situation in Iran is out of control does anyone think it will play to their advantage? They could get the short, sharp shock treatment and quickly recover. I have read that western democracies have considered and rejected this approach because they fear their health systems will collapse. 


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Heavy Weather 2013
02 March 2020 13:27:10


 Hey Mark 🙂.


Surely if you’ve been on medication for quite some time now, and you’re undetectable, the risk shouldn’t be any greater to you than it is to anyone else? 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Hi Joe,


Your quite right, My viral load has been undetectable since I started medication in 2006 with a CD4 count of near 1000. My prognosis generally is very good. However no matter how good the number -  I can, like anyone pick up any of the common illnesses. This can of course then impact my CD4 count. This number fluctuates for many different reasons.


I guess with COVID-19 unlike the Flu (I can have a booster each year) I get worried that something like this could knock me for 7 and allow the viral load to jump and then bring down my CD4. 


I don't tend to worry about this on a day to day basis, however it only takes a heavy cold that lasts a week or so to get my mind thinking 'am I getting really ill'.


So in summary I am no more likely to get COVID-19 than anyone else - its more if I caught it how it would develop that worries me.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
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