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03 March 2020 18:30:37
Level 4 Incident declared by the NHS.

I wonder if they are already seeing increased impacts that have washed through in testing results yet.
Mark
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Gavin D
03 March 2020 18:30:42

Ally Pally Snowman
03 March 2020 18:32:08


 


Perhaps he said it because of the quote from WHO that outside of Hubei the mortality rate was just under 1% for the rest of China


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


 


WHO today said globally 3.4% of Covid19 cases had died. It does seem high to me but at the moment WHO seem to believe it.


 


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westv
03 March 2020 18:32:26
Is there any definition of a "mild case"?
At least it will be mild!
Ally Pally Snowman
03 March 2020 18:33:51




Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


 


Many countries are doing this now. Will the UK? 


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Bugglesgate
03 March 2020 18:35:35

Is there any definition of a "mild case"?

Originally Posted by: westv 


Good question.


Prob means  hospitalisation not required  but how far down from that is "mild" ?


 


 


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Brian Gaze
03 March 2020 18:35:46


WHO today said globally 3.4% of Covid19 cases had died. It does seem high to me but at the moment WHO seem to believe it.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


It is correct currently:


Coronavirus Cases: 92,809
Deaths: 3,164


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


What surprises me is I thought the expectation was that the mortality rate would be down to 1% to 2% due to the non-inclusion of mild cases. It now appears the WHO is saying there are very few which fit into that category.


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Gandalf The White
03 March 2020 18:35:57


WHO says the mortality is about 3.4%. Note that they also claim that there is no resevoir of 'mild cases' to bring the eventual number down.


If it is 3.4% then that would be something like 20-60x more dangerous than seasonal flu.


We also know it's 2-5x more contagious.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


The 3.4% will change as more cases are included.  As others have noted, the mortality rate is skewed by the high figure in Wuhan.  


It is inconceivable, given the range of symptoms, that there aren't any cases where the illness was so mild that the person didn't report it (take the early UK case arising from the visit to Singapore).


Your suggested range of 20-60 x worse than 'seasonal flu' almost certainly doesn't take into account the effect of the vaccine. In terms of virulence you would need to allow for that; without the protection for vulnerable groups and elderly flu would be much worse.


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Ally Pally Snowman
03 March 2020 18:38:21


 


I don't see how cases so mild  that the carrier doesn't seek medical   assistance (or isn't aware they have the virus) can be included in the stats.


How does the WHO know these case don't exist ? How does everyone else know that they do ?  Genuine question.


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


 


In some countries patients immediate family,  friends are tested even if they aren't showing symptoms.  If they test positive and never go on to show symptoms then you can measure non-symptom cases. Not an exact science though I agree.


 


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Brian Gaze
03 March 2020 18:38:54

I'm also puzzled by this:


First, COVID-19 does not transmit as efficiently as influenza, from the data we have so far.


https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---3-march-2020


 


I thought it was supposed to be more transmissible than flu.


 


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Gandalf The White
03 March 2020 18:39:04


 


It is correct currently:


Coronavirus Cases: 92,809
Deaths: 3,164


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


What surprises me is I thought the expectation was that the mortality rate would be down to 1% to 2% due to the non-inclusion of mild cases. It now appears the WHO is saying there are very few which fit into that category.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


This was discussed on the radio this afternoon in the context of young people: it was said that it is quite usual for viruses to have negligible effects of children so there must be some cases which are unreported. Obviously the WHO can't include them in official data because there are no official figures - but that doesn't mean there aren't any.


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doctormog
03 March 2020 18:40:09

What if you have the virus and don’t get tested? You cannot be included in statistics, therefore current statistics can only be based on conformed cases not the unknown number of undiagnosed cases. If you had Covid-19 would you choose to go and get tested? If you did would it change the treatment or advice you received if your symptoms were mild?

As for blanket closing of schools? I certainly hope not.


Brian Gaze
03 March 2020 18:41:21


 


This was discussed on the radio this afternoon in the context of young people: it was said that it is quite usual for viruses to have negligible effects of children so there must be some cases which are unreported. Obviously the WHO can't include them in official data because there are no official figures - but that doesn't mean there aren't any.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I am sure there are some but the message from the WHO today seems to be saying there are very few. In fact not enough to make a measurable difference to the stats. It's possible  I have misunderstood so please don't shoot the messenger. 


Brian Gaze
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Gandalf The White
03 March 2020 18:46:12


 


I am sure there are some but the message from the WHO today seems to be saying there are very few. In fact not enough to make a measurable difference to the stats. It's possible  I have misunderstood so please don't shoot the messenger. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


The report in your link refers to 1% infected but showing no symptoms, which I guess fits the reference to 'very low'.


But, as you would say, it's an unknown unknown, so very hard to tell. But that report talks about more widespread testing to identify who may have antibodies, which would clearly indicate exposure but negligible symptoms (except, obviously, where that person had been treated/hospitalised).


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Brian Gaze
03 March 2020 18:46:38


What if you have the virus and don’t get tested? You cannot be included in statistics, therefore current statistics can only be based on conformed cases not the unknown number of undiagnosed cases. If you had Covid-19 would you choose to go and get tested? If you did would it change the treatment or advice you received if your symptoms were mild?

As for blanket closing of schools? I certainly hope not.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


In the UK I would phone 111 and take their guidance. 


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westv
03 March 2020 18:50:25
If you don't get tested you won't know if you have covid19. If you have no connection to a suspect area you probably won't think of being tested.
At least it will be mild!
doctormog
03 March 2020 18:51:45


 


In the UK I would phone 111 and take their guidance. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Fair enough but I suspect not everyone would and I also suspect there are countries which have no 111 equivalent.


speckledjim
03 March 2020 18:51:59


 


In the UK I would phone 111 and take their guidance. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


My wife had flu symptoms last week and just worked her way through it. We had no thought to phoning 111.


Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Gavin D
03 March 2020 18:52:58

Brian Gaze
03 March 2020 18:53:00

If you don't get tested you won't know if you have covid19. If you have no connection to a suspect area you probably won't think of being tested.

Originally Posted by: westv 


It's a moot point. I've not had a cold for perhaps 4 or 5 years and flu only once in my life. Were I now to develop symptoms which could be corona I would be tempted to call 111. I go to a local gym 3 times per week and use the bars, restaurants and coffee shops in town at times.


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bledur
03 March 2020 19:03:06


 


 


I wouldn't touch  any of that old Corona now - used to swig it in the 70s ,   but must be well beyond its sell by now - still, he might be able to get a deposit back on the bottle !


 



Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


 Corona Cherryade was what we drank in the Heatwave of 76 whilst on balecart. Cracking stuff.

Arcus
03 March 2020 19:07:02

If you don't get tested you won't know if you have covid19. If you have no connection to a suspect area you probably won't think of being tested.

Originally Posted by: westv 


Indeed. The relatively high proportion of asymptomatic carriers of covid19 in the under 20 age group combined with that cohort's propensity to mix more socially will likely give rise to quite sizeable trenches of unreported cases. 


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03 March 2020 19:09:55

If you don't get tested you won't know if you have covid19. If you have no connection to a suspect area you probably won't think of being tested.

Originally Posted by: westv 

Or, you do have connections to a suspect area and do nothing about it because your symptoms are so mild you don’t get tested and deal with it yourself. 


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Joe Bloggs
03 March 2020 19:13:18


 


It's a moot point. I've not had a cold for perhaps 4 or 5 years and flu only once in my life. Were I now to develop symptoms which could be corona I would be tempted to call 111. I go to a local gym 3 times per week and use the bars, restaurants and coffee shops in town at times.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


You haven’t had a cold for FIVE years?! 


What the hell am I doing wrong? 



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Darren S
03 March 2020 19:15:23


I'm also puzzled by this:


First, COVID-19 does not transmit as efficiently as influenza, from the data we have so far.


https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---3-march-2020


 


I thought it was supposed to be more transmissible than flu.


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Given that nearly all of the UK's cases have flown in, there's no sign of one person infecting many others on the flight, otherwise we would have hundreds or thousands of cases by now. I don't know how much 'flu would achieve that.


Darren
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