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Essan
05 March 2020 21:57:16


 


BBC article now clarifies it:


Of the 116 cases:



  • 1 dead

  • 18 recovered

  • 45 self-isolating at home

  • By inference, the remaining 52 are in hospital.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51759602


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


 






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Maunder Minimum
05 March 2020 21:58:35

Worth reading - English language Italian newspaper on the situation there:


https://www.thelocal.it/20200302/should-you-be-concerned-about-the-coronavirus-in-italy


 

New world order coming.
Ulric
05 March 2020 21:59:47
I thought this was interesting:
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-covid19-day-by-day-symptoms-patients-2020-2?r=US&IR=T 


Day 1: Patients run a fever. They may also experience fatigue, muscle pain, and a dry cough. A small minority may have had diarrhea or nausea one to two days before.
Day 5: Patients may have difficulty breathing — especially if they are older or have a preexisting health condition.
Day 7: This is how long it takes, on average, before patients are admitted to a hospital, according to the Wuhan University study.
Day 8: At this point, patients with severe cases (15%, according to the Chinese CDC) develop acute respiratory distress syndrome, an illness that occurs when fluid builds up the lungs. ARDS is often fatal.
Day 10: If patients have worsening symptoms, this is the time in the disease's progression when they're most likely to be admitted to the ICU. These patients probably have more abdominal pain and appetite loss than patients with milder cases. Only a small fraction die: The current fatality rate hovers at about 2%.
Day 17: On average, people who recover from the virus are discharged from the hospital after 2 1/2 weeks.
To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
The Beast from the East
05 March 2020 22:08:40


Depends on what you mean by 'panic'...


If you mean general lawlessness including looting and marauding, then, no, I don't think there will be panic


If you mean stocking up at the supermarket to tide you over for a couple of weeks (what the papers describe as panic buying) then, yes, there will be 'panic'



Originally Posted by: Justin W 


have people forgotten the London riots of August 2011? Civil  Society can fall apart in hours. If the plebs realise the police can’t cope and won’t stop looting, it’s game on 

"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Ulric
05 March 2020 22:24:24


have people forgotten the London riots of August 2011? Civil  Society can fall apart in hours. If the plebs realise the police can’t cope and won’t stop looting, it’s game on 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Unfortunately, this is true.


In the meantime the govt. have defunded the police force and reduced officer numbers.

To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Polar Low
05 March 2020 22:28:05

Grim when you look it up often common reduced quality of life after initial recovery


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_respiratory_distress_syndrome


 


 


I thought this was interesting:
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-covid19-day-by-day-symptoms-patients-2020-2?r=US&IR=T


Day 1: Patients run a fever. They may also experience fatigue, muscle pain, and a dry cough. A small minority may have had diarrhea or nausea one to two days before.
Day 5: Patients may have difficulty breathing — especially if they are older or have a preexisting health condition.
Day 7: This is how long it takes, on average, before patients are admitted to a hospital, according to the Wuhan University study.
Day 8: At this point, patients with severe cases (15%, according to the Chinese CDC) develop acute respiratory distress syndrome, an illness that occurs when fluid builds up the lungs. ARDS is often fatal.
Day 10: If patients have worsening symptoms, this is the time in the disease's progression when they're most likely to be admitted to the ICU. These patients probably have more abdominal pain and appetite loss than patients with milder cases. Only a small fraction die: The current fatality rate hovers at about 2%.
Day 17: On average, people who recover from the virus are discharged from the hospital after 2 1/2 weeks.

Originally Posted by: Ulric 

westv
05 March 2020 22:38:21


 


I've found vegan substitutes can be okay. Sausages, cheese even meat can taste fairly authentic. But they can't get milk right at all. I'd say the best one is soy but that is inferior to even the UHT cow milk (although then again, I quite like UHT milk).


 


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


A bit like a trip to Blackpool Tower is a good substitute for one to the Eiffel Tower.

At least it will be mild!
westv
05 March 2020 22:43:12

Hancock has tweeted his condolences to the family of the UK's first coroner death. How tacky can things get? That really is the pits IMO. He could have either said nothing or contacted the primary relative directly. Tweeting to me seems ghoulish.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I totally disagree. Without trying to sound harsh, it isn't worthy of a direct contact but he obviously considered it needed to be mentioned somehow.

At least it will be mild!
fairweather
05 March 2020 23:04:34


 


I totally disagree. Without trying to sound harsh, it isn't worthy of a direct contact but he obviously considered it needed to be mentioned somehow.


Originally Posted by: westv 


But then will he tweet the relatives of all the undoubted fatalities that will follow in the future?

S.Essex, 42m ASL
westv
05 March 2020 23:09:19


 


But then will he tweet the relatives of all the undoubted fatalities that will follow in the future?


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Why would he do that? There's only one first UK death.

At least it will be mild!
fairweather
05 March 2020 23:12:19

It is pleasing, though ironic, to hear Matt Hancock saying we must listen to the experts, the Scientists, the epidemiologists.  The same kind of  "so called experts" that Tory ministers (especially John Gummer) were openly deriding just a few months ago. Also saying that transport links must be kept open because we get so many of our medicines from abroad. Oh dear.

S.Essex, 42m ASL
westv
05 March 2020 23:16:59
One man's expert is another man's freedom fìghter.
At least it will be mild!
Quantum
06 March 2020 01:30:01

South korea is under control. Exponential growth phase is over and we are now seeing a decline.


Fantastic response from SK. An example for the rest of the world.

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
CreweCold
06 March 2020 01:41:38


South korea is under control. Exponential growth phase is over and we are now seeing a decline.


Fantastic response from SK. An example for the rest of the world.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I'm not sensing the same urgency here unfortunately. Everything that I read smacks of 'what happens, happens'. It just seems to me that the economy is being put first. 


It's also worrying the amount of cases we are hearing of people needing ICU treatment. I simply cannot understand why the government would want a situation where the NHS crumbles. There would almost certainly be a backlash at the next election.


Crewe, Cheshire
55 metres above sea level
Quantum
06 March 2020 01:47:43


 


I'm not sensing the same urgency here unfortunately. Everything that I read smacks of 'what happens, happens'. It just seems to me that the economy is being put first. 


It's also worrying the amount of cases we are hearing of people needing ICU treatment. I simply cannot understand why the government would want a situation where the NHS crumbles. There would almost certainly be a backlash at the next election.


Originally Posted by: CreweCold 


Tbf a total economic collapse would probably cause the virus to spread too, the last thing you want is people rioting on the streets.


But while the UK has not been as meticulous as SK, it's approach is not that dissimilar and it does seem to be doing well when compared to other countries in Europe.


Still it's good news overall if one of the three regional epidemics is showing signs of coming to a close.


 

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Retron
06 March 2020 04:09:27


Anything mathsy or physicsy will be the last to be replaced by AI, so I think of my masters in physics as a bit of an investment.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I was on about teaching wise - maths is the easiest subject to convert to AI teaching and sites such as Hegarty maths give a glimpse of the future. The teachers don't realise what they're doing in using these "easy learning" online resources!



Thankfully at present it is not “expected” that schools will close. Hopefully that will not change.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Actually, it is - at least in the schools themselves and they expect it to be announced anywhere from 2 weeks to a month's time - with the Easter holidays essentially being extended. It is, however, being kept hush-hush lest it cause panic at the moment (even the teachers aren't meant to know the plans yet). That's not a wacky conspiracy theory either, I've been in meetings with the head of my school and one of the executive heads in the Trust to which my school belongs.


 

Leysdown, north Kent

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