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bledur
10 March 2020 20:09:39

Plenty of handshaking and getting within arm,s length at market today and hardly a mention of coronavirus. Stopped on way home  to shop at Tesco,s and could not see any particular shortages  Different world to on here

Quantum
10 March 2020 20:13:37


 


 


Exactly.


But whilst computer models of the atmosphere with multiple variables are invariably wrong we are supposed to believe that computer simulations of virus pandemics with many unknowns are always correct; exponential growth is inevitable..... allegedly.


And those of us that have quietly argued for a line that isn't riddled with guesswork, misinformation and a lack of real understanding are being complacent... allegedly.



Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Gandalf, if you wait until you can see the white of the flame then the house might already have burned down.


You do understand the risk of being too complacent is far greater than not being complacent enough.


 


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Maunder Minimum
10 March 2020 20:13:45


My Daughter is in Taiwan at the moment and she tells me she can’t go anywhere without her temperature being checked and wearing a face mask. If there are any concerns you are quarantined immediately.


Originally Posted by: roadrunnerajn 


They have been on top of it from the outset. The figures from Denmark today are terrible (given they only have a population of 6 million).


Our younger daughter lives in London and works in the City - her employer today made sure everyone at the office has VPN access and has instructed all to work from home from Monday next week - they have had no positive cases, they are just taking precautions - does make me wonder if the Government is giving discrete advice to businesses.


New world order coming.
Caz
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10 March 2020 20:17:28


Europe has been rubbish on this - we should have been looking at Taiwan and how they managed to keep the spread to a minimum.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

I have to say, after reading that article you linked to the other day, Taiwan seem to have learnt well from past experience and have an impressive tracking system.  Let’s hope we can learn too. 


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JHutch
10 March 2020 20:20:35


 


They have been on top of it from the outset. The figures from Denmark today are terrible (given they only have a population of 6 million).


Our younger daughter lives in London and works in the City - her employer today made sure everyone at the office has VPN access and has instructed all to work from home from Monday next week - they have had no positive cases, they are just taking precautions - does make me wonder if the Government is giving discrete advice to businesses.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Maybe, but I think a lot of businesses are seeing a realistic chance of offices being closed, many staff being ill etc, ie a real disruption to normal business working and so are trying to make sure that they can still operate, and that their suppliers can still operate too.

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10 March 2020 20:24:08


 


Maybe, but I think a lot of businesses are seeing a realistic chance of offices being closed, many staff being ill etc, ie a real disruption to normal business working and so are trying to make sure that they can still operate, and that their suppliers can still operate too.


Originally Posted by: JHutch 

That’s probably because they’ve seen what’s happening in Italy and are doing something to avoid being in the same situation. I think we in the UK have the benefit of seeing what’s happening elsewhere.


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Chunky Pea
10 March 2020 20:25:29


 


Gandalf, if you wait until you can see the white of the flame then the house might already have burned down.


You do understand the risk of being too complacent is far greater than not being complacent enough.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


No harm in keeping a level head either. 


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Roger Parsons
10 March 2020 20:30:29


Plenty of handshaking and getting within arm,s length at market today and hardly a mention of coronavirus. Stopped on way home  to shop at Tesco,s and could not see any particular shortages  Different world to on here


Originally Posted by: bledur 


Interested to hear that, Bledur.  I had an exercise class this afternoon and the instructor said "If you think you are coming down with something don't come back until you are clear." No handshaking in the class. Everyone was sort of keeping their distance.


Roger


 


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Heavy Weather 2013
10 March 2020 20:32:04


 


They have been on top of it from the outset. The figures from Denmark today are terrible (given they only have a population of 6 million).


Our younger daughter lives in London and works in the City - her employer today made sure everyone at the office has VPN access and has instructed all to work from home from Monday next week - they have had no positive cases, they are just taking precautions - does make me wonder if the Government is giving discrete advice to businesses.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Yes, we got a business email today asking everyone to take their laptops home daily and ensure they have appropriate cables etc on standby.


The confirmed they are working on PHE advice and if changes they will notify us


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xioni2
10 March 2020 20:32:56


does make me wonder if the Government is giving discrete advice to businesses.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


It is not. I and about a third of my (London) team are now working from home until further notice, but there has been no advice from HMG, discrete or otherwise. This is wrong IMO, perhaps as much as half of the UK workforce can work from home and the time to do it is now.


In other news (and I am not sure if it's good or bad), I was dragged to the pub tonight and it looked like business as usual.

xioni2
10 March 2020 20:35:24


 Yes, we got a business email today asking everyone to take their laptops home daily and ensure they have appropriate cables etc on standby.


The confirmed they are working on PHE advice and if changes they will notify us


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Given your circumstances, why are you not asking them to work from home now?

Polar Low
10 March 2020 20:37:56

Ok news floating that fed may move back to 0% next week meeting  (18th March) not so sure it would be that full if I’m honest meeting should have Summary of Economic Projections.


Feeling amongst experts seems to indicate that sp 500 is craving the bottom.


Not sure I buy previous bloody Monday and history this is very much different, virus unknown territory but American banks are in good shape this time so.


sp500 fear and greed around index 6 (extreme fear) sp about +5%


Dow very very nervy after  investors went for immediate bargains including myself momentrum slowly slipping through the day but investors coming back late as often the case currently point average +5%(25 k today would(is) wonderful)


Very pleased we have good stock pulling up.


https://markets.businessinsider.com/index/market-movers/dow_jones


Dax and CAC 40 negative approx 1.5%


So Ftse around neutral


Asian overnight about 1.2% gain generally


Gold a little down maybe -1.5%


Thats it tried to keep simple as possible.

Maunder Minimum
10 March 2020 20:38:17

Well, it is an ill wind which blows nobody any good. A commentator in The Times today wrote that holiday lets in the UK are being booked at a phenomenal rate and that prices are going up - many people who would normally go to Spain, Portugal or Greece or elsewhere, are presumably planning staycations this summer.


 


New world order coming.
Arcus
10 March 2020 20:43:57

Hmmm. Seems the viral signature for severe symptoms is far, far worse than influenza. The issue will be one of comorbidity, and that might be potentially undiagnosed.


Those that are looking at curves on graphs should not be taking comfort from what I've heard tonight.


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xioni2
10 March 2020 20:46:33


Hmmm. Seems the viral signature for severe symptoms is far, far worse than influenza. The issue will be one of comorbidity, and that might be potentially undiagnosed.


Those that are looking at curves on graphs should not be taking comfort from what I've heard tonight.


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


That has been known for weeks actually (from China).

springsunshine
10 March 2020 20:47:32


 


 


In other news (and I am not sure if it's good or bad), I was dragged to the pub tonight and it looked like business as usual.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


It seems like the British bulldog spirit is kicking in,we ain`t letting some virus which we may not even contract stop normal life from continuing and so it should! look at Cheltenham today and if your local is doing business as usual then that is surley a good thing. Lets face it 385 cases out of 70 million is feck all,even if say 70,000 get it its still only 1% of the population of the uk.

xioni2
10 March 2020 20:49:03


 It seems like the British bulldog spirit is kicking in


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


One month later  


Arcus
10 March 2020 20:49:40


 


That has been known for weeks actually (from China).


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Really? Define what you understand as "worse" then.


Ben,
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xioni2
10 March 2020 20:51:00


 Really? Define what you understand as "worse" then.


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


You can read it in the WHO report published 24 Feb.

Heavy Weather 2013
10 March 2020 20:54:14


 


Given your circumstances, why are you not asking them to work from home now?


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I will be from tomorrow. On one hand we are in the middle of one of the busiest points of the year and it so hard to WFH if nobody else is - I’ll fall behind, but I do think threshold in London is starting to be reached. The only reason I’ve held back is because figures on London have been low. 


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Arcus
10 March 2020 20:56:15


 


You can read it in the WHO report published 24 Feb.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Multiply it. 


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AIMSIR
10 March 2020 20:57:04
It could be interesting to see how the computer models work out?
xioni2
10 March 2020 20:59:41


 Multiply it. 


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


I see. I guess the experience from Italy and increasingly from the UK critical cases will be adding more data. The published accounts from the Italian ICU doctors are scary enough and they talk of severe respiratory problems for some younger patients too.

xioni2
10 March 2020 21:01:32


 I will be from tomorrow. On one hand we are in the middle of one of the busiest points of the year and it so hard to WFH if nobody else is - I’ll fall behind, but I do think threshold in London is starting to be reached. The only reason I’ve held back is because figures on London have been low. 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 



I hope it works out well for you.

Ulric
10 March 2020 21:02:15


 


I see. I guess the experience from Italy and increasingly from the UK critical cases will be adding more data. The published accounts from the Italian ICU doctors are scary enough and they talk of severe respiratory problems for some younger patients too.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


There may be all sorts of factors which differentiate a mild case from a fatal one. Some may even be genetic or social.


I remain of the view that there is no predicting the progress of this.


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