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Gavin D
10 March 2020 11:35:22
Iran have reported 54 new deaths. Total deaths in Iran now stand at 291.

Nottingham Forest owner Evangelos Marinakis has announced on social media he has had a ‘visit’ from Coronavirus.
Maunder Minimum
10 March 2020 11:35:28


 


you've been praising Singapore and SK but they didn't close their borders


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Singapore is a small area with very good controls. A more comparable country to the UK is Taiwan - a coastal state reliant on its big neighbour for much of its trade - Taiwan has very effectively kept the virus under control by controlling its borders from the outset.


https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/why-taiwan-has-just-42-coronavirus-cases-while-neighbors-report


 

New world order coming.
NickR
10 March 2020 11:35:54


 


but they're not isolated


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


My apologies for daring to use a word with anything less than a completely 100% literal meaning.

Nick
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Gavin D
10 March 2020 11:36:33

Breaking: Israel have ordered tourists to leave the country.

speckledjim
10 March 2020 11:37:49


 


My apologies for daring to use a word with anything less than a completely 100% literal meaning.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


no worries, apology accepted 

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Saint Snow
10 March 2020 11:37:52

Breaking: Israel have ordered tourists to leave the country within 4 days.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


 


Wonder how long it'll be before they go on a mass slaughter of Palestinian Arabs under the guise of 'control measures against Copronavirus'?


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
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"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Maunder Minimum
10 March 2020 11:39:34


 


Hotspots are increasingly irrelevant. You need to close off internal ones too. We officially have 6 cases here. Obviously it's far higher than that. You really are missing the point. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


That is only because action was not taken when it should have been.


Not sure how we manage this internally now - we are where we are.

New world order coming.
speckledjim
10 March 2020 11:40:12
Switzerland now has 57.4 cases per 1m pop - 2nd highest in Europe. UK is way down at 4.7
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Quantum
10 March 2020 11:41:38


 


you've been praising Singapore and SK but they didn't close their borders


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


I've never advocated for a complete border closure. I've always said we should have a partial shutdown with some select countries (or in a few cases like Iran a complete shutdown). It's about using the tools that we have in a considered and effective manner.


SK and Singapore had unparalleled levels of contact tracing which they used to prevent sustained local transmission. In the UK our own contact tracing has been rather good which goes someway to explain why we are not in the state many other European countries are.


 

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29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Saint Snow
10 March 2020 11:41:41

Serious question, but when do 'we' just give up trying to control the spread, because it's become communicable within the country?


Not just talking the UK, but other countries once the infection is here?


It could be with us for quite a while, and are we really happy to face months and months of disruption just to reduce a bit our chances of catching a virus which, for the vast majority, won't even be severe?


 


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
NickR
10 March 2020 11:41:42


 


That is only because action was not taken when it should have been.


Not sure how we manage this internally now - we are where we are.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


First of all, anyone who was criticising people for stocking up for more than 2 weeks needs to wake the F up. A lockdown - which looks inevitable if we follow Italy - could severely restrict supplies and movement for 6 weeks easily.

Nick
Durham
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Maunder Minimum
10 March 2020 11:42:09

Switzerland now has 57.4 cases per 1m pop - 2nd highest in Europe. UK is way down at 4.7

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Should have closed their border with Italy when I first posited that over a week ago.


There is one positive from the UK perspective - we started to test earlier and more thoroughly than most in Europe.


 

New world order coming.
NickR
10 March 2020 11:45:19


Serious question, but when do 'we' just give up trying to control the spread, because it's become communicable within the country?


Not just talking the UK, but other countries once the infection is here?


It could be with us for quite a while, and are we really happy to face months and months of disruption just to reduce a bit our chances of catching a virus which, for the vast majority, won't even be severe?


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


The more we slow the spread, the less overburdened the health service will be and the fewer people will die. Come on, Saint - you've read the accounts from Italy! This is basic stuff!


Second, the number of people who are in danger here is massive - elderly, asthma sufferers, cancer sufferers, cancer survivors, immuno-suppressed - it's huge.


Third - you seriously need to look at what moderate or mild means here. It does NOT mean a minor cold, it means anything from a mild flue to bad enough to put you out of action for a couple of weeks without quite reaching the point of needing hospitalisation.

Nick
Durham
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speckledjim
10 March 2020 11:45:54


Serious question, but when do 'we' just give up trying to control the spread, because it's become communicable within the country?


Not just talking the UK, but other countries once the infection is here?


It could be with us for quite a while, and are we really happy to face months and months of disruption just to reduce a bit our chances of catching a virus which, for the vast majority, won't even be severe?


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


The key objective of the UK government is to slow the spread and smooth the peaks and so far they they have achieved that. It's inevitable that the virus will grow and spread, and last many months

Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Gavin D
10 March 2020 11:47:58
Iran have reported 881 new cases and a 24hr period high of 54 new deaths 

Total cases now 8,042 with 291 deaths
Chichesterweatherfan2
10 March 2020 11:50:28
I may be a bit of a lone voice on here...but I remain impressed by the response of the "experts".. as a minor aside, given how experts were lampooned and rubbished by many in the Tory Party during the Brexit campaign, I am pleased to see at long last, experts are being listened too and it would appear, their advice followed. Now if there were any hint that any in govt were following advice other than from these experts, I'd be shouting from the sidelines that this was disgraceful. To date I've not seen any such evidence...I may be proved wrong but for now, I continue to think that on this issue (and on this issue alone) HMG is taking the right approach.
speckledjim
10 March 2020 11:52:57

I may be a bit of a lone voice on here...but I remain impressed by the response of the "experts".. as a minor aside, given how experts were lampooned and rubbished by many in the Tory Party during the Brexit campaign, I am pleased to see at long last, experts are being listened too and it would appear, their advice followed. Now if there were any hint that any in govt were following advice other than from these experts, I'd be shouting from the sidelines that this was disgraceful. To date I've not seen any such evidence...I may be proved wrong but for now, I continue to think that on this issue (and on this issue alone) HMG is taking the right approach.

Originally Posted by: Chichesterweatherfan2 


You're not alone, I agree with you

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Saint Snow
10 March 2020 11:53:38

I may be a bit of a lone voice on here...but I remain impressed by the response of the "experts".. as a minor aside, given how experts were lampooned and rubbished by many in the Tory Party during the Brexit campaign, I am pleased to see at long last, experts are being listened too and it would appear, their advice followed. Now if there were any hint that any in govt were following advice other than from these experts, I'd be shouting from the sidelines that this was disgraceful. To date I've not seen any such evidence...I may be proved wrong but for now, I continue to think that on this issue (and on this issue alone) HMG is taking the right approach.

Originally Posted by: Chichesterweatherfan2 


 


 


To be fair, the moderates in the Tory Party didn't take the anti-expert limit.


It was just the Brexit fundamentalists who sought to denigrate expert opinion, because expert opinion was setting out the massive risks inherent with leaving the EU.


But yes, it is good to see experts being listened to. But it's only because it's convenient for Bozo & Rasputin to do so.


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Quantum
10 March 2020 11:56:55


Serious question, but when do 'we' just give up trying to control the spread, because it's become communicable within the country?


Not just talking the UK, but other countries once the infection is here?


It could be with us for quite a while, and are we really happy to face months and months of disruption just to reduce a bit our chances of catching a virus which, for the vast majority, won't even be severe?


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Because controlling the spread will flatten the curve which gives the NHS a chance to cope with the burden.


Delaying/Controlling is integral because if we allow the 10% ICU rate we have seen in Italy we will, essentially, be without a health service for several months.


 

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Maunder Minimum
10 March 2020 11:57:14

I may be a bit of a lone voice on here...but I remain impressed by the response of the "experts".. as a minor aside, given how experts were lampooned and rubbished by many in the Tory Party during the Brexit campaign, I am pleased to see at long last, experts are being listened too and it would appear, their advice followed. Now if there were any hint that any in govt were following advice other than from these experts, I'd be shouting from the sidelines that this was disgraceful. To date I've not seen any such evidence...I may be proved wrong but for now, I continue to think that on this issue (and on this issue alone) HMG is taking the right approach.

Originally Posted by: Chichesterweatherfan2 


Maybe, but I would have liked to have seen firmer foreign travel restrictions brought in sooner. The virus was already here of course, but there is no point in allowing it to spread further and faster than it is humanly possible to avoid.

New world order coming.
Gavin D
10 March 2020 11:59:23
Breaking: All La Liga matches are going to be played behind closed doors for at least 2-weeks
Quantum
10 March 2020 11:59:44


 


First of all, anyone who was criticising people for stocking up for more than 2 weeks needs to wake the F up. A lockdown - which looks inevitable if we follow Italy - could severely restrict supplies and movement for 6 weeks easily.


Originally Posted by: NickR 



Clearly isn't just going on brexit lines.


 


And my stocking up in January proved to be the right thing to do since I did not contribute to the short term shock we are seeing now. Can easily lock down for up to a month if necessary.


 

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gavin D
10 March 2020 12:01:28
Experts are warning the peak in Italy may not happen until mid-April
Quantum
10 March 2020 12:09:23

Experts are warning the peak in Italy may not happen until mid-April

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Which means, if we get this right, our peak should be even later. Hopefully June.


 

Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
speckledjim
10 March 2020 12:11:18


 


Which means, if we get this right, our peak should be even later. Hopefully June.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


Why should our peak be later than Italy? 

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