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xioni2
12 March 2020 08:04:44


You spent two weeks telling us to stop panicking...


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Yeah, still do. 

speckledjim
12 March 2020 08:06:11


I posted this last night:


We start getting experts now blaming the government for complacency and incompetence. There was a professor of public health at Newsnight who was furious, saying that the government has wasted a month, that the approach used is too academic and wooden, that we are not following WHO recommendations,  the government is treating the public like children (the govt relies on behaviour scientists when it talks of possible fatigue with measures) and that we are not ready for what is coming. He emphasised how big a mistake was not to test everyone coming back from Italy over the last few weeks.


The editor of Lancet was also critical.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 


The challenge for the government is getting the timing right. If they introduce measures too early then how long will the general public accept them for. Look at Q, at the end of Jan he stopped socialising, started working from home, raised his thermostat to 25c and stopped eating raw food. 6 weeks on and he is not remotely close to being able to return to normality.


On the other hand leave it too late and we go exponential. I'm glad I'm not making those decisions.


Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
xioni2
12 March 2020 08:09:23


The challenge for the government is getting the timing right. If they introduce measures too early then how long will the general public accept them for. Look at Q, at the end of Jan he stopped socialising, started working from home, raised his thermostat to 25c and stopped eating raw food. 6 weeks on and he is not remotely close to being able to return to normality.


On the other hand leave it too late and we go exponential. I'm glad I'm not making those decisions.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Get your facts right, it was 27C.


Roger Parsons
12 March 2020 08:16:38


 



Don't forget to take the hook out...


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


I suggest he is talking about "driving".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO0sjsMALZg


 


 


 


R.


 


RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
Gandalf The White
12 March 2020 08:18:07


 


You spent two weeks telling us to stop panicking...


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


A few posters here have spent the last 6 weeks telling us to panic; one or two for longer than that.  Repeated demands for disproportionate and excessive interventions that completely ignore both the practical challenges and the social and economic impacts.


There will always be people with a reasonable knowledge of the subject offering a different opinion; that’s neither a new phenomenon nor unexpected. It doesn’t mean the government’s actions to date have been wrong.


The head of the WHO stressed yesterday the need to strike the right balance.  Based on where we are now it’s difficult to argue the measures haven’t been about right.


It was always clear that the ‘delay’ phase was in the plan and that the strategy was to manage the epidemic because preventing one has never been an option if you understand epidemiology.


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Gandalf The White
12 March 2020 08:19:46


 


 


The challenge for the government is getting the timing right. If they introduce measures too early then how long will the general public accept them for. Look at Q, at the end of Jan he stopped socialising, started working from home, raised his thermostat to 25c and stopped eating raw food. 6 weeks on and he is not remotely close to being able to return to normality.


On the other hand leave it too late and we go exponential. I'm glad I'm not making those decisions.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Precisely!


Two words:


Timing


Proportionality


 


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The Beast from the East
12 March 2020 08:24:30


 


A few posters here have spent the last 6 weeks telling us to panic; one or two for longer than that.  Repeated demands for disproportionate and excessive interventions that completely ignore both the practical challenges and the social and economic impacts.


There will always be people with a reasonable knowledge of the subject offering a different opinion; that’s neither a new phenomenon nor unexpected. It doesn’t mean the government’s actions to date have been wrong.


The head of the WHO stressed yesterday the need to strike the right balance.  Based on where we are now it’s difficult to argue the measures haven’t been about right.


It was always clear that the ‘delay’ phase was in the plan and that the strategy was to manage the epidemic because preventing one has never been an option if you understand epidemiology.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I do apologise to Q for suggesting he was sniffing coke. He has been proved right. The only countries to have this under control are the ones that took extreme measures. Taiwan is probably the best, closing borders immediately. We not only kept ours open but are still not even checking arriving passengers. So much for "taking control"


 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
The Beast from the East
12 March 2020 08:31:32


 


Precisely!


Two words:


Timing


Proportionality


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I give you one word - BORDERS


 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Gandalf The White
12 March 2020 08:32:42


 


I do apologise to Q for suggesting he was sniffing coke. He has been proved right. The only countries to have this under control are the ones that took extreme measures. Taiwan is probably the best, closing borders immediately. We not only kept ours open but are still not even checking arriving passengers. So much for "taking control"


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Inaccurate. 


Currently the UK has this under control.


Singapore, cited as an example of successful actions, saw an increase yesterday equivalent to 100+ per day when you scale up for population size.


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Gandalf The White
12 March 2020 08:34:34


 


I give you one word - BORDERS


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I’ll give you one word: Trump


 


Look at the reaction of the markets to his decision to suspend flights with mainland Europe.  Such actions have huge impacts.


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Justin W
12 March 2020 08:35:55


 


Yeah, still do. 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


The change in your attitude to this epidemic has been subtle, I’ll give you that!


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Justin W
12 March 2020 08:36:57


 


A few posters here have spent the last 6 weeks telling us to panic; one or two for longer than that.  Repeated demands for disproportionate and excessive interventions that completely ignore both the practical challenges and the social and economic impacts.


There will always be people with a reasonable knowledge of the subject offering a different opinion; that’s neither a new phenomenon nor unexpected. It doesn’t mean the government’s actions to date have been wrong.


The head of the WHO stressed yesterday the need to strike the right balance.  Based on where we are now it’s difficult to argue the measures haven’t been about right.


It was always clear that the ‘delay’ phase was in the plan and that the strategy was to manage the epidemic because preventing one has never been an option if you understand epidemiology.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Perhaps you could try to be a bit more patronising...


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
The Beast from the East
12 March 2020 08:41:34

How do politicians like Trump and Boris always get away with such contradictions. Only cult like loyalty and slavish media support enables you to ignore the glaring hypocrisy 


 


 




"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Lionel Hutz
12 March 2020 08:44:37

What time is today's Cobra meeting?


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The Beast from the East
12 March 2020 08:45:29


 


I’ll give you one word: Trump


 


Look at the reaction of the markets to his decision to suspend flights with mainland Europe.  Such actions have huge impacts.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


He knows the economy will go into recession anyway before the election so he is going down the full blooded nationalist hysteria route - blaming it on a "foreign virus" and the EU. This is a political response, not a rational health policy


But he will win because he is up against the dementing old man Biden who has no actual policies


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
The Beast from the East
12 March 2020 08:46:54


What time is today's Cobra meeting?


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


After King Boris has shaken off his hangover and finished his brunch.


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
The Beast from the East
12 March 2020 08:48:22


 





Currently the UK has this under control.


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


The apple never falls far from the tree. Cant tear yourself away from your Tory roots can you?


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Rob K
12 March 2020 08:50:48


No need to worry - Trump supporters say epidemic is all a media scare!


And seriously - why is Africa still relatively free? Is this a real effect or just lack of testing? I can't think that their public health systems are better than Europe's.


Originally Posted by: DEW 


It could be to do with climate? Although having said that it seems to be spreading ok in the Southern Hemisphere summer. 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Justin W
12 March 2020 08:51:08

I


 


After King Boris has shaken off his hangover and finished his brunch.


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Did you read the report in the Times earlier in the week about the state of the flat at No10? Dirty clothes strewn all over, filthy plates and cups left unwashed, piles of dog sh1t on the floor? King Boris is a total slob and his latest paramour is barely any better.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Arcus
12 March 2020 08:54:40
Would be interesting to know the exact number of infections in the UK. BBC's health correspondent just now upped his recent "10x" estimate to "10, 50 maybe even 100", which would imply the 5,000 to 50,000 range.
Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
xioni2
12 March 2020 08:56:04


The change in your attitude to this epidemic has been subtle, I’ll give you that!


Originally Posted by: Justin W 



I've actually taken this seriously right from the start (Jan), I made a personal plan (for work and supplies) and tried to wash my hands better and more often and touch my face less (the last one is impossible!). I mocked Q at the time for the silly stuff, but he was right to emphasise the danger. I've also been saying for weeks now that Italy and the European govts have probably mishandled the Italian epidemic. I also don't understand why the UK govt has not taken more low economic impact measures (encouraging work from home, testing everyone with symptoms etc.)


Two can play this silly game though, you made a post in mid-Feb criticising those who were advocating extreme measures.

Arcus
12 March 2020 08:58:42


 


After King Boris has shaken off his hangover and finished his brunch.


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Anyone remember "Nosher Powell"?



Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
xioni2
12 March 2020 08:59:14

the editor of the Lancet


 



Heavy Weather 2013
12 March 2020 09:02:13


the editor of the Lancet


 




Originally Posted by: xioni2 


If a major hotspot develops around Liverpool - there will be serious questions to ask after allowing last nights game to go ahead. 


Will the US going big last night, Boris right now looks to really behind the curve


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Maunder Minimum
12 March 2020 09:03:08

I wrote 10 days ago - "Close borders with Italy" - I wrote at that time that France, Switzerland, Austria and Slovenia should close their borders with Italy with immediate effect. I was told I was being hysterical by some, but I was right.


The best way to protect your population is to reduce the spread and when another region is a virus hotspot, you quarantine it - in the first case that should have meant telling people not to travel to Italy and ensuring all those returning from Italy on special charters for the purpose were quarantined automatically for 14 days.


If the government had acted that way ten days ago (and I did write to my MP urging that course of action), we would be in a better place now.


And as for letting the Atletico Madrid supporters in yesterday - utter insanity!


 


New world order coming.

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