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Ally Pally Snowman
15 March 2020 22:12:11


 


And neither did they close all their schools, there have been some closures in Daegu and Seoul but all some others did was delay the start of the semester by a week. I just can’t see how closing school is going to protect the elderly. Personally, I am going to keep my children away from their grandparents and I would imagine a lot of people are taking a similar approach


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


 


South Korea has shut all its  schools .  

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Brian Gaze
15 March 2020 22:12:40


Europe has failed in that respect and we are seeing the repercussions. I worry for the UK especially given we're hardly testing. We'll soon be at, or close to, Italy's level.


Originally Posted by: SJV 


According to the ST it is already taking 7 days for test results in some cases. 

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NickR
15 March 2020 22:13:07


 


I fully agree that they have slowed the spread but the virus is still there. Also, they have not followed the same approach e.g Japan closed all schools, SK closed some in Daegu and Seoul, and Singapore kept theres open.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


But other aspects HAVE been the same. Yes, the virus is still there. But this is about getting it manageable so all critical cases can be given care until a vaccine is ready, not about eradication.

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Saint Snow
15 March 2020 22:13:24


 


so who is going to home school kids for months on end if both parents work? By the way I don’t have this issue as I don’t work so if my kids are home for months on end then so be it. I just don’t see how we can close schools for such a long time when you have kids doing gcse and a levels. 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


 


I agree completely. 


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David M Porter
15 March 2020 22:14:19

As for what caused this outbreak to begin with, my belief is, from all I have read about it so far, that it was a lack of good hygiene standards in China (in Wuhan anyway) that was chiefly responsible. That is why the authorities in this country have quite rightly been on so much about personal hygiene and washingn our hands regularly.


If the answer was really to do with those who consume meat as part of their diet all over the world, why haven't we seen any outbreaks of disease like this before or at least for a very long time?

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Saint Snow
15 March 2020 22:14:44


 


According to the ST it is already taking 7 days for test results in some cases. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


That's just utterly unacceptable. 


It's one of the functions that a sequestered private health facility could perform. 


 


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NickR
15 March 2020 22:14:54


 


Testing is key. It is free and easy to get it done and have results the next day. 


Europe has failed in that respect and we are seeing the repercussions. I worry for the UK especially given we're hardly testing. We'll soon be at, or close to, Italy's level.


Originally Posted by: SJV 


I think sometimes the West still clings onto a very Orientalist worldview, rather than recognising that Asia can be a model to follow.

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Polar Low
15 March 2020 22:15:36

Hello Jim don’t forget there will be hse and safeguarding issues when classrooms increase significantly.


might not have much choice anyway.


 



 


I fully agree that they have slowed the spread but the virus is still there. Also, they have not followed the same approach e.g Japan closed all schools, SK closed some in Daegu and Seoul, and Singapore kept theres open.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 

Ally Pally Snowman
15 March 2020 22:16:53


 


I fully agree that they have slowed the spread but the virus is still there. Also, they have not followed the same approach e.g Japan closed all schools, SK closed some in Daegu and Seoul, and Singapore kept theres open.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


 


 


Here's the full list of countries that have shut all schools dozens now.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.unesco.org/themes/education-emergencies/coronavirus-school-closures&ved=2ahUKEwjwmZSywJ3oAhWOa8AKHQnPBT0QFjACegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw3T5mG2ZfrzQapAs-FmXm8b


 

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Gavin D
15 March 2020 22:16:58


 


According to the ST it is already taking 7 days for test results in some cases. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Seen a few times in the past week that some results have taken 4 days by which time the patients had already recovered

Saint Snow
15 March 2020 22:18:09


As for what caused this outbreak to begin with, my belief is, from all I have read about it so far, that it was a lack of good hygiene standards in China (in Wuhan anyway) that was chiefly responsible. That is why the authorities in this country have quite rightly been on so much about personal hygiene and washingn our hands regularly.


If the answer was really to do with those who consume meat as part of their diet all over the world, why haven't we seen any outbreaks of disease like this before or at least for a very long time?


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


 


It's transferred across from another species, most likely bat or pangolin. These are sold in illegal markets, and bought for 'Chinese medicine' dickheadery reasons.


Similarly, Ebola crossed into the human realm from 'bushmeat' (again,  most likely bats)


On a broader topic, if we want to severely cut down on the risk of these catastrophic outbreaks, we need to both eradicate superstitious mumbo-jumbo crap, and also ensure that affordable food is available for dirt-poor communities in the poorest countries.


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speckledjim
15 March 2020 22:18:15


 


But other aspects HAVE been the same. Yes, the virus is still there. But this is about getting it manageable so all critical cases can be given care until a vaccine is ready, not about eradication.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


What SK seem to have done really well is social distancing, trace testing and much public information. They also have an obedient population and that’s where we in Europe may have a problem.

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Gandalf The White
15 March 2020 22:30:02

President Trump: "The virus is very contagious, but we have it under control."

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


One of those statements is wrong and it's not the first one.

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Gavin D
15 March 2020 22:38:22
£1000 fine or custody for refusing to quarantine according to the front page of the telegraph tomorrow
John p
15 March 2020 22:40:15

Very interesting thread here


https://twitter.com/danielfalush/status/1239049733974433798?s=21


 

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15 March 2020 22:40:20
From tomorrow Number 10 will given daily press conferences to update the public.

Finally the message is getting through.

Cobra will also sit tomorrow.
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NickR
15 March 2020 22:42:23

£1000 fine or custody for refusing to quarantine according to the front page of the telegraph tomorrow

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Can they retrospectively fine Jordan Pickford?


https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/11173731/jordan-pickford-coronavirus-boxing/

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xioni2
15 March 2020 22:42:52


I think sometimes the West still clings onto a very Orientalist worldview, rather than recognising that Asia can be a model to follow.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


Yes, I think there is probably an element of this too. Most Europeans haven't even travelled to these countries and they don't realise how much things have changed.

xioni2
15 March 2020 22:49:29


What SK seem to have done really well is social distancing, trace testing and much public information. They also have an obedient population and that’s where we in Europe may have a problem.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Even that argument could be overblown. Both Greeks and Italians have an issue with authority and laws and regulations are very relative. Yet my sister was telling me that everything has been empty in Greece this weekend with people obeying the bans and lots of campaigns of 'we have to do this for granpa and granma',


I know that it's early days of course, but I think it's patronising and irresponsible to argue that people will not follow orders if they know that the aim is good and that there is a plan. This is where I also have my doubts abbout the nudge theories (apparently) used by HMG, as there is simply no precedent of the current situation, so their modelling could be way off.

Brian Gaze
15 March 2020 22:54:14

UK coronavirus crisis 'to last until spring 2021 and could see 7.9m hospitalised'



The coronavirus epidemic in the UK will last until next spring and could lead to 7.9 million people being hospitalised, a secret Public Health England (PHE) briefing for senior NHS officials reveals.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/15/coronavirus-latest-updates-trump-tests-negative-as-spain-orders-nationwide-lockdown-uk-us-australia-italy-europe-global-economy


 

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Saint Snow
15 March 2020 23:00:10


 


Can they retrospectively fine Jordan Pickford?


https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/11173731/jordan-pickford-coronavirus-boxing/


Originally Posted by: NickR 


 


The short arm of the law?


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xioni2
15 March 2020 23:07:28

Some highly critical articles of the UK gov start appearing now in European media, 'the clown who is gambling the health of the English people' etc.


 

westv
15 March 2020 23:08:22


UK coronavirus crisis 'to last until spring 2021 and could see 7.9m hospitalised'



The coronavirus epidemic in the UK will last until next spring and could lead to 7.9 million people being hospitalised, a secret Public Health England (PHE) briefing for senior NHS officials reveals.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/15/coronavirus-latest-updates-trump-tests-negative-as-spain-orders-nationwide-lockdown-uk-us-australia-italy-europe-global-economy


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I'd be more surprised if there wasn't any planning for the predicted absolute worst case scenario.

At least it will be mild!
NickR
15 March 2020 23:12:27


 


I'd be more surprised if there wasn't any planning for the predicted absolute worst case scenario.


Originally Posted by: westv 


But it is a scenario that is entirely the result of a conscious choice by HMG. It does not have even to be a possible scenario.

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