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Justin W
16 March 2020 19:25:28


">https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1239627406215872522?s=19

Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 


If true, this is absolutely appalling. We could be heading for a major catastrophe and many people still don't seem to realise it.


 


 



We are heading for a catastrophe. And still Johnson attempts to duck and dive


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
bledur
16 March 2020 19:27:04


">https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1239627406215872522?s=19

Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 


If true, this is absolutely appalling. We could be heading for a major catastrophe and many people still don't seem to realise it.


 


 



 If you read the thread it is not even written correctly so i am not too confident in this science journalist.

Justin W
16 March 2020 19:27:15


 


I am still going to visit the local down the road. But we live out in the sticks and there are no known cases round here.


The trouble with a government imposing blanket restrictions, is that those businesses which have no good reason to shut down would be affected as well as those in corona hotspots.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


We don't know how many asymptomatic cases there are. many could be carrying and displaying no signs of the virus. If you go to the pub, you may contract it or you may pass it on. That is the point of the blanket restriction.


I have a small local. I will heed the Govt request.


Your attitude strikes me as grossly irresponsible.


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Saint Snow
16 March 2020 19:30:04

You would bankrupt the insurance industry at a stroke. I suspect parachute payments will be provided, as we would be in the realms of total economic collapse otherwise

Originally Posted by: warrenb 


 


Then the Govt compensates the insurance companies, which would be far less admin-heavy than compensating tens of thousands of SMEs. In effect, the admin is outsourced to the insurance companies. 



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nsrobins
16 March 2020 19:30:06




Exactly.  No cases round here.   But I am not expecting many more customers and anticipating having to close completely before long.   Fortunately, I have a decent landlord and I should be able to weather this depending on how long it lasts (there is no point in him evicting me if I can't pay the rent as obviously no-one else would be able to pay rent either!).  But household bills are a different matter with zero income .... .  So worrying times.


 


Originally Posted by: Essan 


I’m quite liking the idea of camping out for a few weeks with a small gas stove and basic provisions - the weather is looking much dryer now and fresh water isn’t a problem.


I’m not in a city anymore but I’d imagine even in small communities things could start going downhill pretty quickly once bodybags start appearing.


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Gooner
16 March 2020 19:32:21


">https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1239627406215872522?s=19

Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 


If true, this is absolutely appalling. We could be heading for a major catastrophe and many people still don't seem to realise it.


 


 



I posted earlier , some people do not understand the extent of this , some totally oblivious 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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warrenb
16 March 2020 19:33:00


 


 


Then the Govt compensates the insurance companies, which would be far less admin-heavy than compensating tens of thousands of SMEs. In effect, the admin is outsourced to the insurance companies. 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


That would be a very good idea


Maunder Minimum
16 March 2020 19:33:27


If true, this is absolutely appalling. We could be heading for a major catastrophe and many people still don't seem to realise it.


We are heading for a catastrophe. And still Johnson attempts to duck and dive


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


We are heading for a catastrophe whatever happens - the 1930s will be revisited as a consequence of global economic collapse in any event.


Policy makers are between a rock of economic armageddon and a hard place of many elderly and vulnerable people dying - the problem is that we are likely to end up with both Scylla and Charybdis.


If we had wanted to avoid the worst effects, borders should have been closed months ago, holidays and cruises cancelled and full quarantine put in place for 14 days for those returning home. But when I suggested such measures over the intervening weeks, I was accused of "hysteria".


 


New world order coming.
bledur
16 March 2020 19:34:44

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Caz
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16 March 2020 19:34:56


My mother in law who is 87 and pretty fit says she is still going for her regular walk up a quiet road because if she does not keep going her legs will give up through in activity. 


 I saw a Doctor on tv saying you could not even go for a country walk in case some one jumped out from behind a tree. What load of bollocks . Hardly going to get within 2 metres of some one on a quiet footpath.


Originally Posted by: bledur 

The PM did say to go for walks for exercise but keep a distance from others.  


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Gooner
16 March 2020 19:35:15

Hugh Pym N24


" Not the resources to test everyone, focus on NHS workers and vulnerable"


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Saint Snow
16 March 2020 19:37:19




Most small business owners will not have insurance to cover this


Originally Posted by: Essan 


 


Think you'll find many/most will have some form of 'business interruption' cover through a combined general ppolicy.check your policy wording. 



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Essan
16 March 2020 19:37:28


 


I’m quite liking the idea of camping out for a few weeks with a small gas stove and basic provisions - the weather is looking much dryer now and fresh water isn’t a problem.


I’m not in a city anymore but I’d imagine even in small communities things could start going downhill pretty quickly once bodybags start appearing.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 



I could survive quite a while in the Highlands - got all the best gear! - but I would have to get there first ....


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xioni2
16 March 2020 19:37:31

It is very striking to see the calm and measured Swiss doing this, usually their federal govt avoids imposing measures on the Cantons. Extraordinary measures.



Switzerland declares a state of emergency:



  • All shops, restaurants, bars, sports, ski resorts etc. closed

  • 8,000 strong armed forces mobilised and deployed

  • All gatherings of more than 5 people banned

  • Measures apply from midnight tonight


Originally Posted by: xioni2 

xioni2
16 March 2020 19:40:21


 If we had wanted to avoid the worst effects, borders should have been closed months ago, holidays and cruises cancelled and full quarantine put in place for 14 days for those returning home. But when I suggested such measures over the intervening weeks, I was accused of "hysteria".


 

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I was agnostic (and still am to large extent) on the need and the timing of border closures. But you keep banging about this ignoring how several Asian countries have contained their outbreaks without widespread border closures or lockdowns.


Italy had declared a state of emergency in late Jan and stopped all flights to/from China.


 

Gooner
16 March 2020 19:41:26

44,000 tested , that's a ridiculously low number 


the move is now to do 10,000 tests a day - Testing currently carried out by PHE in their laboratory network 8 in England and 4 others elsewhere doing approx. 1500 tests a day - so quite a big jump 


 


Expect a huge increase 


 


From Dr Chris Smith 


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Maunder Minimum
16 March 2020 19:44:25


 


I was agnostic (and still am to large extent) on the need and the timing of border closures. But you keep banging about this ignoring how several Asian countries have contained their outbreaks without widespread border closures or lockdowns.


Italy had declared a state of emergency in late Jan and stopped all flights to/from China.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


It is self evident that restricting travel would have reduced the numbers of infected people coming in and the consequent rate of spread. Taiwan introduced very restrictive border controls from the outset. South Korea did not have to introduce serious border controls, because all sane people were avoiding the country when it was an outlier in any case.


Singapore is a special case, but it is a small geographic area with a strong central government which is obeyed and which has firm control (people have not been allowed to access chewing gum for years for example).


 


New world order coming.
bledur
16 March 2020 19:44:56


44,000 tested , that's a ridiculously low number 


the move is now to do 10,000 tests a day - Testing currently carried out by PHE in their laboratory network 8 in England and 4 others elsewhere doing approx. 1500 tests a day - so quite a big jump 


 


Expect a huge increase 


 


From Dr Chris Smith 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 Obviously the more you test the more you will find , hopefully a good number of people who have had the virus so mildly it was a very minor illness.

David M Porter
16 March 2020 19:46:46


 


We are heading for a catastrophe whatever happens - the 1930s will be revisited as a consequence of global economic collapse in any event.


Policy makers are between a rock of economic armageddon and a hard place of many elderly and vulnerable people dying - the problem is that we are likely to end up with both Scylla and Charybdis.


If we had wanted to avoid the worst effects, borders should have been closed months ago, holidays and cruises cancelled and full quarantine put in place for 14 days for those returning home. But when I suggested such measures over the intervening weeks, I was accused of "hysteria".


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 



The government should have taken the steps you mention once it was apparent the virus was taking hold in Europe and certainly before it was known that it had reached British shores, Richard. That would have been basic common sense.


Had they done what you mention, then we may have stood a better chance of avoiding having to implement some of the more draconian measures that are about to come and especially the even more draconian possibility of a total lockdown a la Italy.


It was the failure to act in a proactive way once the development of this crisis became clear that has put this country in peril.


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bledur
16 March 2020 19:46:58


The PM did say to go for walks for exercise but keep a distance from others.  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


 She is not too keen on Boris.

xioni2
16 March 2020 19:48:00


 It is self evident that restricting travel would have reduced the numbers of infected people coming in and the consequent rate of spread. Taiwan introduced very restrictive border controls from the outset. South Korea did not have to introduce serious border controls, because all sane people were avoiding the country when it was an outlier in any case.


Singapore is a special case, but it is a small geographic area with a strong central government which is obeyed and which has firm control (people have not been allowed to access chewing gum for years for example).


 

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Italy closed its 'borders' with China in late Jan, but still got the biggest epidemic (to date). What else should have they done at the time? Close all their borders with everyone?


I agree that European countries (including the UK) should probably have put travel restrictions to/from Italy in February, but we (and they) didn't even screen passengers coming from Italy!

Gavin D
16 March 2020 19:48:28

Looking at the graphs the 24hours to 9am today saw the 2nd highest amount of testing to date (3,826) with an additional 1,293 tests compared to the same period on Sunday morning new cases have fallen by 61


Daily positive cases



Test results to 9am - The UK's current 24hr high is 4,975 tests to 9am on the 14th



Whilst testing is a bit of a mismatch at the moment it's certainly not on a downward trend.

Justin W
16 March 2020 19:48:32


 


It is self evident that restricting travel would have reduced the numbers of infected people coming in and the consequent rate of spread. Taiwan introduced very restrictive border controls from the outset. South Korea did not have to introduce serious border controls, because all sane people were avoiding the country when it was an outlier in any case.


Singapore is a special case, but it is a small geographic area with a strong central government which is obeyed and which has firm control (people have not been allowed to access chewing gum for years for example).


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


You seem to admire Singapore and yet you have explicitly said that you will not obey the Govt's requested restriction on visiting pubs.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Caz
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16 March 2020 19:48:45


 


I’m quite liking the idea of camping out for a few weeks with a small gas stove and basic provisions - the weather is looking much dryer now and fresh water isn’t a problem.


I’m not in a city anymore but I’d imagine even in small communities things could start going downhill pretty quickly once bodybags start appearing.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

I said to hubby earlier that we should perhaps buy another touring caravan!  


Our local community is doing remarkable things in supporting those who are isolating and rather than going downhill, I think it will only get stronger as things get worse!


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Whether Idle
16 March 2020 19:50:01


 



The government should have taken the steps you mention once it was apparent the virus was taking hold in Europe and certainly before it was known that it had reached British shores, Richard. That would have been basic common sense.


Had they done what you mention, then we may have stood a better chance of avoiding having to implelemt some of the more draconian measures that are about to come and especially the even more draconian possibility of a total lockdown a la Italy.


It was the failure to be proactive once this developing crisis became clear that has put this country in peril.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Yes.  Boris was pleasuring himself over Brexit and power grabbing from the treasury while he should have been planning ahead.  


An utter dereliction of duty, which will now have apocalyptic consequences.  Thanks Tory voters!


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