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xioni2
18 March 2020 16:13:16


 I'd put him to good use - shove a pole up his arse, stick him in a field, and keep the crows off the crops


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


You were always more expressive & poetic than me!



 

warrenb
18 March 2020 16:13:34


 


Wuhan is still locked down.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


 


Only the city, surrounding districts were released on the 14th March, deemed and low to medium risk.


Quantum
18 March 2020 16:15:04


 


About mid table in Europe according to this.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Europe


Originally Posted by: westv 


Yeh but that table also includes Romania, Albania, Serbia e.c.t.


Countries that are much poorer than we are.


Compare it to those with comparable levels of affluence and the UK is hanging around at the bottom along with the US.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
xioni2
18 March 2020 16:15:59


 Only the city, surrounding districts were released on the 14th March, deemed and low to medium risk.


Originally Posted by: warrenb 


yeah and the new infections are probably in the city?


China is becoming more and more confident that it has this under full control.

Heavy Weather 2013
18 March 2020 16:17:36

Does anyone think the government should do there briefings in the morning rather than late afternoon. This would prevent all these roamers starting. The government could set a clear narrative from the off. 


 


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Gandalf The White
18 March 2020 16:19:01


 


 


Would not surprise me, and shows the lockdown works until you unlock.


Originally Posted by: warrenb 


Exactly.  As has been said already there are no easy answers.  Once the virus is in the environment it will just keep infecting people until enough people are immune to slow and eventually stop it.  The Spanish Flu was pretty much the same.


That's why the government's initial policy (still the policy?) of herd immunity might have to be the way, despite the horrendous implications.  Until there's a vaccine that can be given to several billion people this is just going to rumble on.


All because of a bl***y illegal trade in wild animals in some wretched market in a city few had heard of and China's culture of hushing things up.  I'm livid that the Chinese propaganda machine is now trying to obfuscate to avoid the blame; it's a f'ing disgrace.   They ought to be held to account and made to help pay for the damage they've done.



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Maunder Minimum
18 March 2020 16:19:34


The French laboratory Sanofi said it was ready, Tuesday, March 17, to offer the French authorities millions of doses of the antimalarial Plaquenil, which could potentially treat 300,000 patients, after trials deemed "promising" in patients with Covid- 19.


https://www.lemonde.fr/sante/article/2020/03/18/coronavirus-sanofi-offre-un-antipaludique-pour-traiter-300-000-malades-apres-des-essais-juges-prometteurs_6033466_1651302.html


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Could be a promising prophylactic, but articles like that always need to be read with a health warning - from the article itself:


 


"These new clinical trials "will be carried out with a team independent 
of Professor Raoult," said Ms. Ndiaye after a cabinet meeting",
noting that at this stage "we have no scientific evidence" that this treatment works.

New world order coming.
Saint Snow
18 March 2020 16:20:38

Going on a bit of a rant here:

This panic buying is really starting to F me right off now. You can't buy anything... not even a single carton of milk because these knobheads are stripping everything! I was speaking to one of the workers in Morrisons today and they said they put a new crate of toilet paper out and before they had even taken the plastic wrapping off the side of it, the idiots had stripped it bare. It's so ridiculous that people are now getting aggressive and pushing and shoving and ramming others out of the way to get their last crappy Morrisons pizza. Even the decent people who have avoided the frenzy in the first place are now having to leave with a trolley full, just so they actually have food to take home with them!

Seriously, how the hell did this country cope during the food rationing in World War II?

Originally Posted by: Bolty 


 


The Mrs called me from Orrisons; no fresh meat on the shelves at all. This after a similar picture in Aldi. Thnkfully, the butcher had meat that was yet to be cut up, and cut 8 pork steaks for our tea.


Morrisons also had no bread loaves, either, hardly any tinned veg, no tinned meat, fish or ready meals. Didn't check on toilet rolls, because we're OK for now.


I've got a lot of meat in the freezer, but it's mostly either good steak, or cuts that need casseroling so I'll have to get cooking and freezing to give us quick/easy meals.


 



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Brian Gaze
18 March 2020 16:20:41

White House very worried about data from Italy and France about how the virus is hitting young people hard. 


Edit: Also referencing "undiagnosed underlying conditions" as a potential problem in all age groups - I think someone here flagged it up as a possible concern


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Heavy Weather 2013
18 March 2020 16:21:53

32 more people have died 


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
xioni2
18 March 2020 16:22:08


 Exactly.  As has been said already there are no easy answers.  Once the virus is in the environment it will just keep infecting people until enough people are immune to slow and eventually stop it.  The Spanish Flu was pretty much the same.


That's why the government's initial policy (still the policy?) of herd immunity might have to be the way, despite the horrendous implications.  Until there's a vaccine that can be given to several billion people this is just going to rumble on.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I obviously disagree with this and the govt is now moving away from that strategy. Having new infections in Wuhan is absolutely normal, China has contained the epidemic and it will now start quaranting foreign visitors. They are even restarting their football matches (with fans).

Maunder Minimum
18 March 2020 16:23:05


White House very worried about data from Italy and France about how the virus is hitting young people hard. 


Edit: Also referencing "undiagnosed underlying conditions" as a potential problem in all age groups - I think someone here flagged it up as a possible concern


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


That was not supposed to happen. Very worried about daughter in London - I phoned her this afternoon and begged her to get on the first train home  - she already has the tools to work from home.


New world order coming.
Chidog
18 March 2020 16:23:57


 


I obviously disagree with this and the govt is now moving away from that strategy. Having new infections in Wuhan is absolutely normal, China has contained the epidemic and it will now start quaranting foreign visitors. They are even restarting their football games (with fans).


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I agree this is how China will operate, question is how long can they do it for? Will need to be done until there is a vaccine, otherwise the endgame would be rest of world immune and China vulnerable to a massive health crisis (if rest of world did not contain also)

xioni2
18 March 2020 16:24:03


32 more people have died 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Not certain, but you should be psychologically ready for hundreds of deaths daily by the end of March.

Justin W
18 March 2020 16:24:48


 


£350B is not scaled back.


At lower levels you can, of course, get away with doing it for longer.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Re read my post. I said you scale it back and withdraw it from the economy as things recover. And it won’t be £330bn. It will be in excess of £1 trillion and money will be paid directly into the bank account of every adult in the country.


Without this, the country will literally collapse.


Nobody in the world is worried about inflation and won’t be for some time to come.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Heavy Weather 2013
18 March 2020 16:24:51

That increases in deaths is a serious concern now. With the lag and the fact we had our highest number of cases suggests we are heading for a devastating period.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
xioni2
18 March 2020 16:25:50


Does anyone think the government should do there briefings in the morning rather than late afternoon. This would prevent all these roamers starting. The government could set a clear narrative from the off. 


 

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


10 Downing St. some time in April


Bolty
18 March 2020 16:26:21


 


Exactly.  As has been said already there are no easy answers.  Once the virus is in the environment it will just keep infecting people until enough people are immune to slow and eventually stop it.  The Spanish Flu was pretty much the same.


That's why the government's initial policy (still the policy?) of herd immunity might have to be the way, despite the horrendous implications.  Until there's a vaccine that can be given to several billion people this is just going to rumble on.


All because of a bl***y illegal trade in wild animals in some wretched market in a city few had heard of and China's culture of hushing things up.  I'm livid that the Chinese propaganda machine is now trying to obfuscate to avoid the blame; it's a f'ing disgrace.   They ought to be held to account and made to help pay for the damage they've done.



Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 



I really hope China pays the price for this, to be honest. I hope it sees their tourism industry and their exports seriously decline as people turn away from them. I work for the post and there's been a serious decline in the amount of Chinese mail coming through (mainly because of the lockdowns still in force at the moment) but I would love for it to remain the case.


They've inflicted this pandemic on the world through the illegal animals market and they have the arrogance to sit there and act like they've done nothing wrong (even going as far as patting themselves on the back in some instances). Yes, the European governments have been utterly incompetent and really failed in the early stages to contain it, but still it's no excuse.


Scott
Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.
My weather station 
Heavy Weather 2013
18 March 2020 16:26:31


 


Not certain, but you should be psychologically ready for hundreds of deaths daily by the end of March.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Agreed, that death toll has sent a shiver down my spine. This mishandling is coming home to roost.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
doctormog
18 March 2020 16:27:20


 


Not certain, but you should be psychologically ready for hundreds of deaths daily by the end of March.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Yes, unfortunately this is correct and it would be (wonderfully) surprising if it were not.


xioni2
18 March 2020 16:31:13


 I agree this is how China will operate, question is how long can they do it for? Will need to be done until there is a vaccine, otherwise the endgame would be rest of world immune and China vulnerable to a massive health crisis (if rest of world did not contain also)


Originally Posted by: Chidog 


I think theirs and other Asian countries' strategy is probably the correct one. Contain it (including subsequent waves) until the vaccine is found. Europe has messed up, but at least they are now trying to contain it using the desperate lockdowns. 


You just cannot let this thing let rip, it will destroy society. 

Maunder Minimum
18 March 2020 16:31:13


 


Agreed, that death toll has sent a shiver down my spine. This mishandling is coming home to roost.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


The mishandling has been Europe wide - the outbreak in China was not taken seriously enough at the outset - Italy closed its borders to China, but being part of Schengen made that unworkable. Once Italy broke out, the neighbouring countries should have immediately closed their borders, but they did not, all European countries should have suspended flights to Northern Italy and advised their people against any travel to Italy and again when Spain, France and Germany started to go down the toilet, our Foreign Office should have advised against any non-essential travel well over a week ago.


But none of that happened! People in every western European country have been let down by their political elites, because they did not take this seriously enough at the outset and bin open borders!


New world order coming.
RobN
  • RobN
  • Advanced Member
18 March 2020 16:31:17


 


Nobody in the world is worried about inflation and won’t be for some time to come.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


If the black market is allowed to take off we will!


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
David M Porter
18 March 2020 16:31:39


 


Exactly.  As has been said already there are no easy answers.  Once the virus is in the environment it will just keep infecting people until enough people are immune to slow and eventually stop it.  The Spanish Flu was pretty much the same.


That's why the government's initial policy (still the policy?) of herd immunity might have to be the way, despite the horrendous implications.  Until there's a vaccine that can be given to several billion people this is just going to rumble on.


All because of a bl***y illegal trade in wild animals in some wretched market in a city few had heard of and China's culture of hushing things up.  I'm livid that the Chinese propaganda machine is now trying to obfuscate to avoid the blame; it's a f'ing disgrace.   They ought to be held to account and made to help pay for the damage they've done.



Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Absolutely, Peter- very well said.


The Chinese government should be made to pay through the nose for this. Whether that be years of economic sanctions or something else, I don't know, but they absolutely need to be held accountable in some way for this disastrous episode.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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nsrobins
18 March 2020 16:32:26


 


That was not supposed to happen. Very worried about daughter in London - I phoned her this afternoon and begged her to get on the first train home  - she already has the tools to work from home.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


My eldest is a newly qualified nurse in Brighton - her ward is one of three being refitted specially for COVID cases. You couldn’t drag her away with a tractor at the moment - really worried but very proud at the same time.


In most cases though included your daughter I’d suggest if you can get out of London and work from home I’d do it now. It’s really not going to be a nice place to be before long.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
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