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Gavin D
23 March 2020 09:30:15
China have reported 39 new confirmed cases and 9 new deaths (all in Hubei) along with 47 new suspected cases.

459 patients were discharged whilst 661 close contacts were released from medical observation.
Brian Gaze
23 March 2020 09:31:47

China have reported 39 new confirmed cases and 9 new deaths (all in Hubei) along with 47 new suspected cases.

459 patients were discharged whilst 661 close contacts were released from medical observation.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


You told us that 3 posts above. Has your algorithm got a glitch? 

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Northern Sky
23 March 2020 09:31:54


Schools: they are not ‘half closed’. The message is clear enough. The problem is people not taking personal responsibility and trying to avoid being inconvenienced.


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


We have two sites, one of which is now closed. Staff from both schools are expected to work at the open site - meaning staff will greatly outnumber children. 


Staff from the closed site who don't have cars will meet at the closed site and travel across together packed into a minibus.


Thankfully I have a car and I'm keeping my fingers crossed I can work outside at the closed site where we have lots of gardening and maintenance work that needs doing.

llamedos
23 March 2020 09:34:24


 


What you and a few others are saying is that the government has to treat everyone like children and put rules in place that deal with the most stupid, ignorant, selfish behaviour.


Your first point: if restaurants are shut then hotels should have been restricting meals to residents. If restaurants are shut people should realise that means no eating out.  Two groups at fault here, not the government.


Schools: they are not ‘half closed’. The message is clear enough. The problem is people not taking personal responsibility and trying to avoid being inconvenienced.


 



These measures can’t work unless people take personal responsibility. There aren’t enough police or army personnel to enforce rules that people are determined to flout.


 


TBH this blame game is starting to annoy me.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Good post 

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23 March 2020 09:34:52


I would like to see the government publishing more information on the "underlying health conditions" of those who have died. The data of course would be anonymised. Until they do I will have a  suspicion they are including things like "stiff back" and "chronic tinnitus".


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Totally agree. It is a virtually meaningless phrase. "Less than averagely physically fit" could be an "underlying health condition"?

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Northern Sky
23 March 2020 09:34:54


5 class open here Darren (usually about 20) approx 100 children in full support staff, reduced office, Teachers on Rota


Head staying at home, she has text me to do my normal duties until further notice.


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


I bet that's going down well...

xioni2
23 March 2020 09:35:21


 As always there will be more responsible people and there are more selfish people, it happens everywhere and always. (it even happened here during the Blitz). It's the state that is making it possible for the more selfish to continue doing what they are doing.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


To expand a bit on this: think what is happening with many laws too. In the absence of laws (or law enforcement) there would be plenty of socially responsible people who would behave well and wouldn't put other people at risk, but there would also be plenty of people who would do exactly this. It is the role of the state to have laws and enforce them in order to protect the first group from the second!


This is not a theoretical concept, just take a look at what is happening in countries where the rule of law is weak and the selfish and the irresponsible have more of a free reign!


 

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23 March 2020 09:39:21


 What you and a few others are saying is that the government has to treat everyone like children and put rules in place that deal with the most stupid, ignorant, selfish behaviour.


Your first point: if restaurants are shut then hotels should have been restricting meals to residents. If restaurants are shut people should realise that means no eating out.  Two groups at fault here, not the government.


Schools: they are not ‘half closed’. The message is clear enough. The problem is people not taking personal responsibility and trying to avoid being inconvenienced.


These measures can’t work unless people take personal responsibility. There aren’t enough police or army personnel to enforce rules that people are determined to flout.


 TBH this blame game is starting to annoy me.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

  I’m in agreement with this!  People should be taking responsibility for themselves.  Going to a restaurant ‘just because it’s open’ is a poor excuse to account for irresponsible behaviour.   I understand there are a few who might not fully understand the situation but those are not the ones who just couldn’t care less. 


Sorry. Edited to say I am in agreement. Bloody predictive text. 

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Polar Low
23 March 2020 09:42:04

Yes also head asked cleaners to deep cleans my argument was that’s a different situation with this virus specialist job with specialist training with correct personal safety equipment at about £35 a hour I told them to stick all together and refuse which they have done.


of course normal cleaning duties still apply


 


 


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I bet that's going down well...


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xioni2
23 March 2020 09:42:22


  I’m not n agreement with this!  People should be taking responsibility for themselves.  Going to a restaurant ‘just because it’s open’ is a poor excuse to account for irresponsible behaviour.   I understand there are a few who might not fully understand the situation but those are not the ones who just couldn’t care less. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Again the problem is that the govt is failing to protect the rest of us from those people.


Why is it such a difficult concept to grasp? Why so many other western democracies (including big US states) have acted much more swiftly and didn't wait for 'everyone to take responsibility for themselves.'


This is not how societies and countries are run!


 

bowser
23 March 2020 09:42:35


  I’m not n agreement with this!  People should be taking responsibility for themselves.  Going to a restaurant ‘just because it’s open’ is a poor excuse to account for irresponsible behaviour.   I understand there are a few who might not fully understand the situation but those are not the ones who just couldn’t care less. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


I fully agree.

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23 March 2020 09:44:49


 To expand a bit on this: think what is happening with many laws too. In the absence of laws (or law enforcement) there would be plenty of socially responsible people who would behave well and wouldn't put other people at risk, but there would also be plenty of people who would do exactly this. It is the role of the state to have laws and enforce them in order to protect the first group from the second!


This is not a theoretical concept, just take a look at what is happening in countries where the rule of law is weak and the selfish and the irresponsible have more of a free reign!


 

Originally Posted by: xioni2 


As Gandalf mentions its the lack of law enforcement that might be giving the Govt nightmares. Brian's posts from inside No 10 in the Times shows just how out of depth some at the top are. Johnson looks older already. The stress must getting to him and I'm almost beginning to wonder how long he will last in his current role. He's no Churchill.

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Caz
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23 March 2020 09:45:09


My generation is a total waste of space. They cry constantly about non issues and then prove themselves to be utterly worthless in a crisis when literally all you have to do is nothing to make it all go away.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 

I think this crisis could change that Q!  There are a lot of responsible people of your generation as well. It’s just a few who get noticed and give them a bad name. 

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Gandalf The White
23 March 2020 09:47:58


 


Good! You can't blame people for going to hotel restaurants if they are legally open and you can't blame their management for doing this. It's the fault of the fcking government.


European governments are not treating their citizens like children, they say this is a public health emergency and they order them to change their lifestyles.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


We must agree to disagree, Xioni2.  Your willingness to allow people to misbehave and then point the finger of blame at the government is completely and utterly absurd.

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xioni2
23 March 2020 09:50:13


 We must agree to disagree, Xioni2.  Your willingness to allow people to misbehave and then point the finger of blame at the government is completely and utterly absurd.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


It's not me who allows people to misbehave, it's the government! Let's do one better: let's re-open all restaurants and pubs and just ask people to behave responsible, shall we?


It's you who is being "completely and utterly absurd."

Ulric
23 March 2020 09:50:28
Any views on why the Government is drafting new primary legislation rather than invoking the provisions of the Civil Contingencies Act?
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Caz
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23 March 2020 09:51:29


Again the problem is that the govt is failing to protect the rest of us from those people.


Why is it such a difficult concept to grasp? Why so many other western democracies (including big US states) have acted much more swiftly and didn't wait for 'everyone to take responsibility for themselves.'


This is not how societies and countries are run!


Originally Posted by: xioni2 

I think the answer to that is, if you take responsibility for yourself, you’re protecting yourself.  If others don’t, they have only themselves to blame if they get it. 

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Brian Gaze
23 March 2020 09:51:30


 


We must agree to disagree, Xioni2.  Your willingness to allow people to misbehave and then point the finger of blame at the government is completely and utterly absurd.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


But if people misbehave the government must step in to protect the rest of us. The government should be there as a backstop. That's a cornerstone of centre-right thinking.

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westv
23 March 2020 09:52:26

My dentist appointment was cancelled this morning as they are not doing any routine appointments for the time being.

At least it will be mild!
xioni2
23 March 2020 09:53:07


 It's not me who allows people to misbehave, it's the government! Let's do one better: let's re-open all restaurants and pubs and just ask people to behave responsible, shall we?


It's you who is being "completely and utterly absurd."


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


And while we are it, let's also suspend most of our laws and just ask people to take responsibility for themselves. It won't be the government's fault then for the carnage that would follow, it would be those selfish and irresponsible people!

llamedos
23 March 2020 09:55:49

I just wonder how many whingers there will be when the govt are forced into declaring lock-downs? What about my civil liberties, blah, blah... and all because a minority of t w a t s lack common decency and common sense.

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Phil G
23 March 2020 09:55:56
I do feel some comments on here are politically motivated.
How much more does Johnson have to do or say to get people to act accordingly. There is a blame game going on here.
It seems we live in a society where for some if its not written down with instructions, they don't know what to do. I hear instances of people calling 999 for the police saying my seven won't do as his told.
It's sad but I fear there are a good 5%-10% of the population who are basically as thick as s**t.
Probably society's fault for spoonfeeding and mollycoddling them in the first place.
Polar Low
23 March 2020 09:57:16

Only cares about money also on from my last post one cleaner also works for home instead (carer for elderly)she is a diamond and looks after older people. She is a single parent and has been told she must clean this evening as cleaning agency has been paid utter madness, told her to text head and tell her no way.


It worries me as this is going on up and down uk at the moment.


 


 



 


I bet that's going down well...


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 

Gooner
23 March 2020 09:57:18


 


We must agree to disagree, Xioni2.  Your willingness to allow people to misbehave and then point the finger of blame at the government is completely and utterly absurd.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I'm with Xioni2 on this , I'm afraid until you actually enforce something you will always get a % who will carry on , look at the Tube this morning ,surely that's enough to tell you people haven't got a true understanding on this .


The PM HAS TO SPELL this out , bang his bloody fist down and say enough is enough we are shutting up shop , until that happens forget it , you are asking the impossible , and if you are really expecting people to make a common sense decision then you are out of touch.


Retail shops are all open again this morning , why wouldn't people go shopping.

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Brian Gaze
23 March 2020 09:57:52

I do feel some comments on here are politically motivated.



How much more does Johnson have to do or say to get people to act accordingly. There is a blame game going on here.



Originally Posted by: Phil G 


He has to enforce it. The French are making a decent effort. I think they are fining E15,000 if a person breaches the shelter in place order a second time. If the French can put up with it then we can too. There are no excuses for Johnson.

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