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RobN
  • RobN
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27 March 2020 17:01:15


 


For Heaven's Sake!!!



What a ridiculous response from you, but completely expected.


What is the matter with you?


Nothing racist in pointing out who are the main culprits in the trade in pangolins, poached ivory, rhino horn and the like.


There is more excuse in Africa with its endemic poverty and illiteracy.


UN Report:


https://www.un.org/en/chronicle/article/will-china-say-no-wildlife-trade


"Killing elephants for their ivory, slaughtering tigers for their pelts and bones, and fatally hacking the horns off rhinos have reached epidemic proportions in recent years.


Unfortunately, the bloody trail leads to Asia, particularly China and Viet Nam, where the demand and price for products from endangered species have sky-rocketed, propelled by fast-growing economies, an increase in purchasing power, the rising demand for rare animal parts to be used as ingredients in tonics, as “status symbols,” or investments, and the availability and accessibility of these products in the marketplace.


Although these endangered species are protected by international and domestic laws banning the trade in their parts and derivatives, loopholes and exceptions are actively created and exploited by those who benefit from commercial trade in wildlife.


While the State Council of China banned the buying, sale and use of tiger bone more than twenty years ago, large industrial tiger farms have emerged in the country with the sole purpose of farming tigers for the trade in their parts and products. Under pressure from commercial interest in these “tiger farms,” wildlife authorities issued licenses for wineries and taxidermists, giving their tacit approval for the commercial trade in tiger bone tonic wine and tiger pelts used for home décor.


..."


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


You seem to blame all the world's ills on China at every opportunity.


They may have become a technically advanced country in a very short space of time - in many ways they have overtaken us - but culturally it will take them longer to catch up - maybe not until their older generation have passed on. Remember that the UK was continuing to slaughter huge number of whales into the 20th century and only banned the import of whaling products as recently as  1973.


A case of the pot calling the kettle black I think.


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
Sevendust
27 March 2020 17:03:41


I do get irritated with arm-chair experts who don't quite grasp the logistics of making the right decision without enough sufficient information.


We can all say "told you so" after the event, but it doesn't make you right.


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


Indeed


I am quite opinionated in my political beliefs but I could see how the government were trying to do the right thing, trying not to impose and hoping the people would comply. Sadly we have a lot of belligerant morons who think they know the answers and won't be told anything, even if it's by experts in the field.


The price for that stupidity is coming home to roost


I only hope the lessons of this disaster are learnt when another event occurs as it surely will

Rob K
27 March 2020 17:05:24


I do get irritated with arm-chair experts who don't quite grasp the logistics of making the right decision without enough sufficient information.


We can all say "told you so" after the event, but it doesn't make you right.


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


One of my friends is constantly ranting on FB about how Boris has the blood of thousands on his hands, and wishing all sorts of things on him. It’s getting tiresome. I am no fan of the Tories or Boris, but I have actually been pleasantly surprised by the response to an unprecedented crisis. They may have taken a while to get their act together but I think any of us would have done too!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Gavin D
27 March 2020 17:08:59

Daily breakdown of the data from PHE


UK data 



  • Daily confirmed Cases - 2,885 (+756)

  • Patients Recovered - 135 (no change) - Current daily high for recovered patients 42 (22/03)

  • Total UK deaths - 759 (+181)


English data


Top 10 Local Authorities with the highest confirmed cases



  • Birmingham: 366

  • Hampshire: 317

  • Southwark: 290

  • Sheffield: 286

  • Lambeth: 276

  • Surrey: 271

  • Brent: 265

  • Wandsworth: 228

  • Croydon: 219

  • Cumbria: 211


Local Authorities with the fewest confirmed cases



  • Kingston upon Hull, City of: 5

  • North East Lincolnshire: 5

  • Hartlepool: 6

  • North Lincolnshire: 6

  • Blackburn with Darwen: 7

  • Isle of Wight: 8

  • Blackpool: 9

  • Halton: 10

  • Darlington: 11

  • Peterborough: 11

  • Calderdale: 11


Regional data



  • London - 4,637 (+718)

  • Midlands - 2,090 (+454)

  • South East - 1,606 (+477)

  • North East and Yorkshire - 1,222 (+331)

  • North West - 1,020 (+183)

  • East of England - 796 (+204)

  • South West - 534 (+81)


All changes with yesterday. Data based up to 9am today for new cases and up to 5pm yesterday for new deaths.

Sevendust
27 March 2020 17:11:37


One of my friends is constantly ranting on FB about how Boris has the blood of thousands on his hands, and wishing all sorts of things on him. It’s getting tiresome. I am no fan of the Tories or Boris, but I have actually been pleasantly surprised by the response to an unprecedented crisis. They may have taken a while to get their act together but I think any of us would have done too!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Yes I'm sick of it. This is beyond politics

Gavin D
27 March 2020 17:13:31
6,200 patients are in hospital in England with confirmed Coronavirus according to Simon Stevens

12,288 are confirmed to have/had coronavirus in England
Gooner
27 March 2020 17:14:39


 


Indeed


I am quite opinionated in my political beliefs but I could see how the government were trying to do the right thing, trying not to impose and hoping the people would comply. Sadly we have a lot of belligerant morons who think they know the answers and won't be told anything, even if it's by experts in the field.


The price for that stupidity is coming home to roost


I only hope the lessons of this disaster are learnt when another event occurs as it surely will


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


That seems about fair , I did think we delayed it somewhat but I don't make those decisions and its easy for me ,  its a hell of a game trying to get it right .


An even bigger decision is when we are coming out the other side , how the hell does anyone decide when to drop the restrictions and allow pubs to open etc. Damned if you do and Damned if you don't eh?


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Rob K
27 March 2020 17:16:03
What’s going on with the “recovered” stats? Have they stopped recording or something?
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
speckledjim
27 March 2020 17:17:57


 


That seems about fair , I did think we delayed it somewhat but I don't make those decisions and its easy for me ,  its a hell of a game trying to get it right .


An even bigger decision is when we are coming out the other side , how the hell does anyone decide when to drop the restrictions and allow pubs to open etc. Damned if you do and Damned if you don't eh?


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


We are lucky in the sense that we will be able to observe what mainland Europe does re dropping the restrictions, and learn from them


Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
David M Porter
27 March 2020 17:19:32


I do get irritated with arm-chair experts who don't quite grasp the logistics of making the right decision without sufficient information.


We can all say "told you so" after the event, but it doesn't make you right.


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


John, with respect, it is nothing to do with me or anyone else trying to an armchair expert or anything like that. It doesn't have anything to do with me being right or wrong either; it is a matter of my opinion based on what I know about how this pandemic started and all that has taken place since.


Many of us saw the TV news reports in January about what was developing in China and then the rest of Asia; I'm sure you did too. That, in my humble opinion, that was the time at which governments all over the world including that of the UK should have realised there was major trouble coming down the track. It should have been a case of recognising the coming danger and taking appropriate action at that time.


I get that this is the first time there has been an occurence of this virus anywhere in the world and that the information about it wasn't always great, especially at the start. That said, the fact that so many people in China and then the rest of Asia became seriously ill and many lost their lives to this virus in the early weeks of the spread of it should have been more than enough evidence that made politicians in Europe and the rest of the world realise that this virus was not something to be taken lightly.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Gavin D
27 March 2020 17:19:54

Just under 3,000 beds available in London as of yesterday

Up to 500 available next week with up to 4,000 if needed

Gavin D
27 March 2020 17:20:25

What’s going on with the “recovered” stats? Have they stopped recording or something?

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


I'm wondering if they're only doing it once per week?

Gandalf The White
27 March 2020 17:23:50


I do get irritated with arm-chair experts who don't quite grasp the logistics of making the right decision without sufficient information.


We can all say "told you so" after the event, but it doesn't make you right.


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


👍👍


I keep repeating that the virus was out of China and across many countries long before even the experts here suggested shutting the borders.  


It would have been no good just banning flights from China, Iran and Italy because by the time they were known to be a problem it had already spread beyond those countries.


International air travel is a wonderful invention; viruses cannot recommend it strongly enough.


😉


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Gavin D
27 March 2020 17:24:28
Testing is being rolled out to frontline NHS staff next week
Gavin D
27 March 2020 17:26:55
33,000 hospital beds available for coronavirus patients in England.
Gavin D
27 March 2020 17:37:42
10,950 people have fully recovered from Convid-19 in Italy up from 10,361 yesterday

The number of new infections in the past 24hrs is 4,401 down from 4,492 in the 24hrs to Thursday
Gavin D
27 March 2020 17:39:32
The Premier League & Football League is now suspended until at least April 30th
David M Porter
27 March 2020 17:40:07


 


I know a number of people who had a bad virus either just before Christmas or just after. It also seems strange that a virus that was around in China from November (and in large numbers in some areas) didn't make it over here through the thousands of people who made the journey in that time. 


Having said that we have been able to chart the spread of the virus from those first cases in York and it has followed an expected development. If the virus was around before Christmas why didn't we see a much faster spread - particularly considering the social gatherings around Christmas. Surely hospitals would've been overwhelmed much earlier given the infectious nature of covid 19?


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


That's a good point, NS.


I could be wrong, but as far as I recall, there was no mention at all from any news reports I saw towards the end of last year of COVID-19; I guess this was more than likely to do with the fact that the Chinese authorities tried to cover up the outbreak there. The first I can recall of it was on the BBC circa mid-January.


I have no knowledge of how many countries were affected by the time it was first mentioned in the British media. However, the first cases in York that you referred to were diagnosed back in late January meaning it had been in the UK for more than a month before HMG raised the alert level.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Justin W
27 March 2020 17:44:38

Although the infection rate in Italy seems to be past the peak, the death toll figures are terrible.


EDIT: The Italian govt has just said that it doesn't believe the infection rate has peaked yet


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
westv
27 March 2020 17:50:12

The Premier League & Football League is now suspended until at least April 30th

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


It's been 30/4 since 19/3.


At least it will be mild!
Phil G
27 March 2020 17:54:38



The number of new infections in the past 24hrs is 4,401 down from 4,492 in the 24hrs to Thursday

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Hi Gavin. While numbers are down, % wise are these better as the base number would be different day to day  i.e. Out of a unaffected population of say 60,000 on Wednesday, there are c56k left the following day to infect. Each day there is a lower base unaffected figure. Thanks

llamedos
27 March 2020 17:55:02


 


John, with respect, it is nothing to do with me or anyone else trying to an armchair expert or anything like that. It doesn't have anything to do with me being right or wrong either; it is a matter of my opinion based on what I know about how this pandemic started and all that has taken place since.


Many of us saw the TV news reports in January about what was developing in China and then the rest of Asia; I'm sure you did too. That, in my humble opinion, that was the time at which governments all over the world including that of the UK should have realised there was major trouble coming down the track. It should have been a case of recognising the coming danger and taking appropriate action at that time.


I get that this is the first time there has been an occurence of this virus anywhere in the world and that the information about it wasn't always great, especially at the start. That said, the fact that so many people in China and then the rest of Asia became seriously ill and many lost their lives to this virus in the early weeks of the spread of it should have been more than enough evidence that made politicians in Europe and the rest of the world realise that this virus was not something to be taken lightly.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

Fair enough David, but I've highlighted where I disagree with you.


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JHutch
27 March 2020 17:55:30

Support for the government's measures has risen in the last week


 



llamedos
27 March 2020 17:59:21

Just so you know, I've conditionally released the Beast wef tomorrow.


Be prepared 


"Life with the Lions"

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Brian Gaze
27 March 2020 18:02:00


 


Indeed


I am quite opinionated in my political beliefs but I could see how the government were trying to do the right thing, trying not to impose and hoping the people would comply. Sadly we have a lot of belligerant morons who think they know the answers and won't be told anything, even if it's by experts in the field.


The price for that stupidity is coming home to roost


I only hope the lessons of this disaster are learnt when another event occurs as it surely will


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


My view is the government remains behind the curve. We should now be implementing a stricter lockdown in the UK. 


Brian Gaze
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