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Lionel Hutz
29 March 2020 22:07:40


 


It just seems to me a "selective xenophobia" (I'll avoid the use of the term racist) when some bang on about China so much.


HIV is thought to have originated from non-human primates in Africa. The estimate for trade and local and regional consumption of wild animal meat in Central Africa alone is >1 billion kg per year.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3371803/#R14


It's a global problem!


 


 


Originally Posted by: RobN 


I don't know to whom you're referring but honestly I couldn't care less whether the health problem arises in Kilkenny or Kolcatta. Wet markets in China have caused a pandemic. That problem nees to be resolved. 


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Gandalf The White
29 March 2020 22:34:13


 


It just seems to me a "selective xenophobia" (I'll avoid the use of the term racist) when some bang on about China so much.


HIV is thought to have originated from non-human primates in Africa. The estimate for trade and local and regional consumption of wild animal meat in Central Africa alone is >1 billion kg per year.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3371803/#R14


It's a global problem!


 


 


Originally Posted by: RobN 


If you look back I did list the viruses that did not originate in China. The source of HIV was central Africa, just as Ebola.  MERS comes, as the name suggests, from the Middle East/Gulf region.


Again, this has nothing to do with xenophobia if you have more than a passing understanding of these viruses and the local conditions that facilitate their jump into humans.


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fairweather
29 March 2020 22:44:09

What do we think is the main route of transmission? Nobody, with the exception of health workers, are going near anybody coughing. In the main people are social distancing and are locked away. Hands are being washed. Yet it still seems to spread freely. I know there is a lag for us but Spain and Italy have surely been doing the same. Could it be more airborne than predicted?


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Gandalf The White
29 March 2020 22:52:02


Just watched the News which is probably not a good idea at the moment. It's getting a bit like Groundhog Day now with the interviews in the care homes showing them with no PPE and the Government saying they are being sent out now. They said that two weeks ago. I fear the Government are starting to lose control and don't really know what the true picture is, like the rest of us.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Given the sheer scale of the challenge I think it's quite remarkable just how much has been achieved in the last 2-3 weeks across a wide spectrum.  Yes, there's an argument that some of the steps should have been taken sooner but as every other country has discovered, when there's a global pandemic everyone is in the same boat and resources are limited.


I see no evidence of 'starting to lose control'; in fact quite the opposite.


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xioni2
29 March 2020 23:01:55


What do we think is the main route of transmission? Nobody, with the exception of health workers, are going near anybody coughing. In the main people are social distancing and are locked away. Hands are being washed. Yet it still seems to spread freely. I know there is a lag for us but Spain and Italy have surely been doing the same. Could it be more airborne than predicted?


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Mostly guessing on my side:



  • families (due to the lags involved, the possible asymptomatics carriers etc.)

  • construction workers etc.

  • supermarkets

Gandalf The White
29 March 2020 23:10:51


What do we think is the main route of transmission? Nobody, with the exception of health workers, are going near anybody coughing. In the main people are social distancing and are locked away. Hands are being washed. Yet it still seems to spread freely. I know there is a lag for us but Spain and Italy have surely been doing the same. Could it be more airborne than predicted?


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


It is airborne: that is the sole route of transmission, either by direct contact with an airborne virus-laden droplet or via contact with a surface onto which the virus has landed. It is why everyone is adopting essentially the same restrictions such as social distancing, to try to limit the rate of transmission.


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The Beast from the East
29 March 2020 23:18:30


 


Mostly guessing on my side:



  • families (due to the lags involved, the possible asymptomatics carriers etc.)

  • construction workers etc.

  • supermarkets


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


And health workers and carers who bring it home after work and then infect their families


Unless you do a Wuhan style lockdown, you can only reduce the numbers as we see in Italy


 


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JHutch
29 March 2020 23:28:38

Public figures have to set an example but maybe showing how you can go to your dad's birthday and still be socially distanced isnt such a bad thing? Think the police are a bit OTT here



JHutch
29 March 2020 23:32:35

and its another tweet quoted by me. I had noticed that south-east Wales was a hotspot. Is this true there is a higher concentration of cases there per head of population than in London (some London boroughs are higher natch and there may be differences in testing criteria etc, etc.


 



fairweather
30 March 2020 00:12:27


 


Given the sheer scale of the challenge I think it's quite remarkable just how much has been achieved in the last 2-3 weeks across a wide spectrum.  Yes, there's an argument that some of the steps should have been taken sooner but as every other country has discovered, when there's a global pandemic everyone is in the same boat and resources are limited.


I see no evidence of 'starting to lose control'; in fact quite the opposite.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


So you think repeating "25000 tests a day soon" and "PPE is on the road as we speak" every day for two weeks is making progress when the people on the front line say we are desperate and not getting any of this?


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fairweather
30 March 2020 00:19:18


 


It is airborne: that is the sole route of transmission, either by direct contact with an airborne virus-laden droplet or via contact with a surface onto which the virus has landed. It is why everyone is adopting essentially the same restrictions such as social distancing, to try to limit the rate of transmission.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


We know that. But it isn't supposed to form aerosols like measles and drops quickly to the ground. It is hard to imagine there is still anybody in the wider community who is getting coughed on now they have been distancing for a couple of weeks. Surfaces are still possible but unless there is a big drop in infections next week onwards it is hard to see why. I'm wondering if this virus, compared with others, can multiply from a much lower number of "strands".


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