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01 April 2020 05:45:06

Would that it were an April fool!


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Heavy Weather 2013
01 April 2020 05:50:02
I know itโ€™s only the daily mail, but usually quite easy on the government. But itโ€™s front page has gone all in on the recent testing fiasco.
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Brian Gaze
01 April 2020 06:01:53

I know it’s only the daily mail, but usually quite easy on the government. But it’s front page has gone all in on the recent testing fiasco.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Assuming the pics are recent look how poorly equipped some of the NHS staff are. It appears some are still having to use surgical masks rather than FFP3. 


Brian Gaze
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Heavy Weather 2013
01 April 2020 06:15:17


 


Assuming the pics are recent look how poorly equipped some of the NHS staff are. It appears some are still having to use surgical masks rather than FFP3. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I agree Brian. All the government do is pat themselves on the back and claim they have ordered millions of items. Yet, they don’t appear to be reaching the right places


Mark
Beckton, E London
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Heavy Weather 2013
01 April 2020 06:16:18
Community Secretary on Sky news saying that we will be testing 25,000 per day by mid April
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Heavy Weather 2013
01 April 2020 06:22:08
This was a Matt Hancock on 29/03/2020

NEWS: Good news that weโ€™ve reached 10,000 #coronavirus tests a day - ahead of schedule. Weโ€™re on track to 25,000.

Justin was right to call the government liars.
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Lionel Hutz
01 April 2020 06:49:51


 


I agree Brian. All the government do is pat themselves on the back and claim they have ordered millions of items. Yet, they don’t appear to be reaching the right places


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Interestingly, we got a large delivery of PPE direct from China yesterday. Varadkar phoned Xi to personally thank him. I doubt he brought up the subject of Tibet or the Xinjiang Uighurs during that conversation. 


Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
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doctormog
01 April 2020 07:01:20

On a different note here is another nice practical infographic on various ways of killing the virus on surfaces etc. Credit to Compound Interest.


 



Click the image to open a larger version in a new window.


 


https://i2.wp.com/www.compoundchem.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Four-ways-to-destroy-coronavirus-v3.png?ssl=1 


 


Maunder Minimum
01 April 2020 07:14:29

This was a Matt Hancock on 29/03/2020

NEWS: Good news that we’ve reached 10,000 #coronavirus tests a day - ahead of schedule. We’re on track to 25,000.

Justin was right to call the government liars.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


No he wasn't - at the time he no doubt believed that to be the case. Being wrong or misinformed is not the same thing as being "liars".


But I have given them the solution - the Danish boiling method - I just hope they are following it up.


New world order coming.
Sevendust
01 April 2020 07:19:38


On a different note here is another nice practical infographic on various ways of killing the virus on surfaces etc. Credit to Compound Interest.


 



Click the image to open a larger version in a new window.


 


https://i2.wp.com/www.compoundchem.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Four-ways-to-destroy-coronavirus-v3.png?ssl=1 


 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Thanks Doc - Shared on FB 

The Beast from the East
01 April 2020 07:27:50

A lot of the deaths in Birmingham and London are from immigrant background people, who tend to live in large multi-gen families in crowded conditions, just like Italy


The 13 year old boy who died has been named as Mohammed something, sounds Somali. 


 


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Sevendust
01 April 2020 07:27:56


 


No he wasn't - at the time he no doubt believed that to be the case. Being wrong or misinformed is not the same thing as being "liars".


But I have given them the solution - the Danish boiling method - I just hope they are following it up.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Richard - I think you should apply for government advisor status 

Maunder Minimum
01 April 2020 07:32:32

Internal Swedish documents have been leaked to the press - their hospitals are at or near full capacity even though the number of ICUs have secretly been expanded 3x.


They have lowered the protection guide lines and doctors and nurses are to work without masks if none are available


Their plan to build "nursing" homes for the elderly, is a euphism for hospices and they have instructed the quality of care will drop to that which it is necessary to accept. You will have to google translate the following:


https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/BRK34E/sa-ska-stockholm-hantera-overfu lla-sjukhus--om-en-vecka


Note that the documents are some days old, so the "in one week" scenario they describe is actually in 2-3 days from now.


New world order coming.
Heavy Weather 2013
01 April 2020 07:32:59


 


No he wasn't - at the time he no doubt believed that to be the case. Being wrong or misinformed is not the same thing as being "liars".


But I have given them the solution - the Danish boiling method - I just hope they are following it up.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


But we keep being told that this is coming. Its been many weeks.


 


Mark
Beckton, E London
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The Beast from the East
01 April 2020 07:33:27

Contagion is being repeated again on ITV2 tomorrow night, not sure how tasteful that is! Following 9/11, a lot movies featuring terrorism were dropped from the schedules. I remember an episode of "Spooks" was also cancelled


 




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Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Brian Gaze
01 April 2020 07:37:33


Internal Swedish documents have been leaked to the press - their hospitals are at or near full capacity even though the number of ICUs have secretly been expanded 3x.


They have lowered the protection guide lines and doctors and nurses are to work without masks if none are available


Their plan to build "nursing" homes for the elderly, is a euphism for hospices and they have instructed the quality of care will drop to that which it is necessary to accept. You will have to google translate the following:


https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/BRK34E/sa-ska-stockholm-hantera-overfu lla-sjukhus--om-en-vecka


Note that the documents are some days old, so the "in one week" scenario they describe is actually in 2-3 days from now.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


The Times is suggesting they will be tightening towards lockdown in the coming days because things are going so badly. I thought you were advocating their laissez-faire approach? Perhaps you could email this information to some of your friends in the Tory Party who are starting to sound more concerned about losing a few £ than saving a few lives.


Brian Gaze
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The Beast from the East
01 April 2020 07:38:30

Mayday hospital used to be called "Maydie"  by locals. It was a filthy place, perhaps it has improved now, but feel sorry for anyone working there


 




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Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Heavy Weather 2013
01 April 2020 07:40:29

I appreciate we haven't yet closed our borders. However there is an interesting discussion on GMB around why people arriving on flights from hot spots are not being quarantined for 14 days.


https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1245239008009105408


I think this is a valid point, where are this people going and dispersing to? Why when we repatriated those from China where they placed into Quarantine? 


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
The Beast from the East
01 April 2020 07:40:56

Fear not peasants, Wills and Kate have got your back


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"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Brian Gaze
01 April 2020 07:41:20


 


No he wasn't - at the time he no doubt believed that to be the case. Being wrong or misinformed is not the same thing as being "liars".


But I have given them the solution - the Danish boiling method - I just hope they are following it up.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


One of the big problems seems to be that all decisions have to be made centrally. In fact Hancock himself apparently has to make the decisions on testing, although I assume he is advised. It shows the absurdity of a centralised system. The classic anecdote is what happened in the Soviet Union. One year they produced far too few footballs and far too many loaves of bread because of the centralised targets. The result was people started playing football with loaves of bread. Quite why the economically liberal United Kingdom follows this centralised planning system when it comes to health beggars belief.


Brian Gaze
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Maunder Minimum
01 April 2020 07:44:14


 


The Times is suggesting they will be tightening towards lockdown in the coming days because things are going so badly. I thought you were advocating their laissez-faire approach? Perhaps you could email this information to some of your friends in the Tory Party who are starting to sound more concerned about losing a few £ than saving a few lives.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


If you recall Brian, I called their "laissez-faire" approach an "interesting control experiment" - the leaked documents are the first indication that it might not be working and that there is internal dissent.


But Sweden is de facto a police state, so not sure where it goes from here. Will certainly embarrass the Swedish government however.


P.S.


The general director of the Swedish health care authority, Johan Carlson, has responded to the leak - he compares shutting down to narcotics abuse problems:


"Outlawing things will not stop them he says and compares Corona to narcotics abuse ".


He has been taking lessons from Kim Yong Un.


New world order coming.
Maunder Minimum
01 April 2020 07:52:10

The German miracle is slowly ending btw. They are moving 0.1% point of CFR up a day for some days now.


At 1.1% now. South Korea at 1.7% CFR.


There is little reason to assume either do not have a pretty good coverage, also it has been revealed that not all deaths that are corona are registered as such in Germany, but we knew that anyway and it is pretty common across Europe.


The German "miracle" was a mirage - they have all the equipment and reagents and have been testing massively, so finding many positives - that depressed the CFR to begin with.


Corona appears to run at 0.8-1.3 CFR in perfect circumstances and with a tail of chronic lung patients over the years to come (those who survive ventilation).


Nevertheless, South Korea has more or less lifted the lockdown to save the economy as all must at some point - this is the only approach - get it contained, relax the economy destroying measures, see cases starting to rise again, lockdown again, rinse and repeat.


Brian - with the best will in the world, completely trashing the economy is no solution, since that would cause mass death and despair itself.


Only solution - stop travel, control borders, control the epidemic internally and wait for a medical miracle (vaccine anyone?).


New world order coming.
bowser
01 April 2020 08:02:01


 (vaccine anyone?).


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Will come quicker than we think, IMO.

Gandalf The White
01 April 2020 08:09:53


The German miracle is slowly ending btw. They are moving 0.1% point of CFR up a day for some days now.


At 1.1% now. South Korea at 1.7% CFR.


There is little reason to assume either do not have a pretty good coverage, also it has been revealed that not all deaths that are corona are registered as such in Germany, but we knew that anyway and it is pretty common across Europe.


The German "miracle" was a mirage - they have all the equipment and reagents and have been testing massively, so finding many positives - that depressed the CFR to begin with.


Corona appears to run at 0.8-1.3 CFR in perfect circumstances and with a tail of chronic lung patients over the years to come (those who survive ventilation).


Nevertheless, South Korea has more or less lifted the lockdown to save the economy as all must at some point - this is the only approach - get it contained, relax the economy destroying measures, see cases starting to rise again, lockdown again, rinse and repeat.


Brian - with the best will in the world, completely trashing the economy is no solution, since that would cause mass death and despair itself.


Only solution - stop travel, control borders, control the epidemic internally and wait for a medical miracle (vaccine anyone?).


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


As you say, the lower CFR in Germany was down to the specifics of the group infected initially: younger, fit people who had been skiing.  It always seemed like a statistical quirk given the CFRs elsewhere.


Our inter connectedness is a strength but in a pandemic a huge weakness. You talk of stopping travel in one sentence and not completely trashing the economy in another but they are inextricably linked.


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Gandalf The White
01 April 2020 08:10:55


 


Will come quicker than we think, IMO.


Originally Posted by: bowser 


I hope you’re correct but that would require a miraculous series of events and/or changes to safety protocols.


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