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Maunder Minimum
03 April 2020 12:07:09

The nurse who tragically died today - Areema Nasran - I recall when it was made public that she had been hospitalised with the condition - I think that was two weeks ago. It shows how pernicious this virus is, that someone can be hospitalised for so long and still succumb in the end.


P.S. There is an article in The Times now - it appears she was admitted to hospital in mid-March and that she did not catch it at work - here is an extract:


"Speaking early last week, Mrs Nasreen’s 22-year-old sister, Kazeema, who works as a healthcare assistant at the same hospital, said that the family thought that she could have contracted Covid-19 “virtually anywhere”. She said that her normally fit and healthy sister had been on holiday when she first started showing symptoms and that she did not believe that she became infected at work."


 


 


New world order coming.
Justin W
03 April 2020 12:08:53


Boris still has a minor symptom (temperature) and will remain in self-isolation until it clears


 


 


 




Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


He doesn't look very well to me. I realise that he never looks particularly healthy but he looks ill in that video and sounds a bit breathless.


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Gooner
03 April 2020 12:10:50


 


He doesn't look very well to me. I realise that he never looks particularly healthy but he looks ill in that video and sounds a bit breathless.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


He looks bloody rough 


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westv
03 April 2020 12:12:12
Maybe Boris has taken the opportunity to get some bed romping in.
At least it will be mild!
speckledjim
03 April 2020 12:14:22


 


He doesn't look very well to me. I realise that he never looks particularly healthy but he looks ill in that video and sounds a bit breathless.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Being overweight will have probably slowed his recovery


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Maunder Minimum
03 April 2020 12:20:58


 


Being overweight will have probably slowed his recovery


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


There is increasing evidence that BMI is a factor - a BMI of over 30 is I understand a key determinant in those requiring hospitalisation because of corona virus:


https://nypost.com/2020/03/26/obesity-increases-risk-for-coronavirus-complications-report/


 


New world order coming.
xioni2
03 April 2020 12:22:52


 There is increasing evidence that BMI is a factor - a BMI of over 30 is I understand a key determinant in those requiring hospitalisation because of corona virus:


https://nypost.com/2020/03/26/obesity-increases-risk-for-coronavirus-complications-report/


 

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


If this true, then the west will suffer more and the US especially so.

Bugglesgate
03 April 2020 12:26:08


 


He doesn't look very well to me. I realise that he never looks particularly healthy but he looks ill in that video and sounds a bit breathless.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


He's had it quite a while now.  As has been mentioned elsewhere,  the longer it goes on after about a week, the more serious it gradually becomes.


On a personal note, my cousin's husband that was carted off into hospital with breathing difficulties, temperature and cough  was eventually tested and came up negative for coronavirus  He's still within spitting distance of deaths door though.


How unlucky is that,  to  contract "bog standard" severe pneumonia   at the current time :(


He will  have to make bloody sure he doesn't subsequently contract Coronavirus.  He's currently in complete isolation.  I don't know if that's becuase they are worried  about what's he's actually got (results on the lab test on the fluid they are pumping out of his lungs  have yet to come back) or whether it's to protect him 100% from Coronavirus.


 


 


 


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Retron
03 April 2020 12:27:12


If this true, then the west will suffer more and the US especially so.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


The majority of people are fat (64% of the UK in 2014), hence the majority of people in hospital will also be fat.


Fat people are, of course, more likely to have diabetes, high blood pressure, heart problems etc, all of which propel you up the risk charts for covid-19.


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Brian Gaze
03 April 2020 12:28:06


 


There is increasing evidence that BMI is a factor - a BMI of over 30 is I understand a key determinant in those requiring hospitalisation because of corona virus:


https://nypost.com/2020/03/26/obesity-increases-risk-for-coronavirus-complications-report/


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


This was mentioned yesterday and I posted the correlation looks quite weak to me. (My BMI is in the normal range so I'm not saying this to make myself feel better  )


The following from The Times:


 


Obesity
Public Health England has urged those with a body mass index of 40 or above to be stringent in avoiding the virus. Being overweight puts increased strain on the heart and lungs: there is less of a buffer if the body is put under additional stress by pneumonia or other complications.


A breakdown of 196 of the first cases admitted to critical care in Britain, carried out by the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre, showed that about a third had a BMI of between 30 and 40, which made them clinically obese.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/who-is-being-hit-hardest-by-coronavirus-zrsv8xvdh


 


However from Wiki:


Data published as a part of the World Health Organisation (WHO) study in 2018 indicated that 28.1% of adults in the United Kingdom were recognised as clinically obese with a Body Mass Index (BMI) greater than 30.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_Kingdom


 


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Justin W
03 April 2020 12:31:57


 


He's had it quite a while now.  As has been mentioned elsewhere,  the longer it goes on after about a week, the more serious it gradually becomes.


On a personal note, my cousin's husband that was carted off into hospital with breathing difficulties, temperature and cough  was eventually tested and came up negative for coronavirus  He's still within spitting distance of deaths door though.


How unlucky is that,  to  contract "bog standard" severe pneumonia   at the current time :(


He will  have to make bloody sure he doesn't subsequently contract Coronavirus.  He's currently in complete isolation.  I don't know if that's becuase they are worried  about what's he's actually got (results on the lab test on the fluid they are pumping out of his lungs  have yet to come back) or whether it's to protect him 100% from Coronavirus.


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


I hope he pulls through OK, Chris.


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Gandalf The White
03 April 2020 12:41:07


 


If this true, then the west will suffer more and the US especially so.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


BMI was cited as an issue over a week ago when discussing the surge in cases in New York requiring hospitalisation and ventilation.


An abnormal BMI is in effect an 'underlying condition' as much as any other condition.


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Gavin D
03 April 2020 12:42:47
Debenhams bosses are preparing to place the 242-year-old department store chain into administration next week.

The move comes just days after most of the staff were placed onto the Governments furlough scheme

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-struggling-debenhams-to-put-administrators-on-standby-11968038 
Gandalf The White
03 April 2020 12:43:14

Maybe Boris has taken the opportunity to get some bed romping in.

Originally Posted by: westv 


Tricky unless you've got a bed around 3 metres wide.


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Justin W
03 April 2020 12:43:25


 


BMI was cited as an issue over a week ago when discussing the surge in cases in New York requiring hospitalisation and ventilation.


An abnormal BMI is in effect an 'underlying condition' as much as any other condition.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I'm pretty sure that BMI will be a factor. My BMI is 24 which is below the recommended upper limit for my height and age (BMI 25). I was told that I should do everything to get it down below 25 when I saw a consultant in advance of an operation (which has been cancelled). The consultant said that I should really aim for a BMI of 19 or 20 because, he said, there is ample evidence that carrying excess weight makes you more susceptible to a range of conditions including breathing difficulties.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Gandalf The White
03 April 2020 12:44:21


 


He's had it quite a while now.  As has been mentioned elsewhere,  the longer it goes on after about a week, the more serious it gradually becomes.


On a personal note, my cousin's husband that was carted off into hospital with breathing difficulties, temperature and cough  was eventually tested and came up negative for coronavirus  He's still within spitting distance of deaths door though.


How unlucky is that,  to  contract "bog standard" severe pneumonia   at the current time :(


He will  have to make bloody sure he doesn't subsequently contract Coronavirus.  He's currently in complete isolation.  I don't know if that's becuase they are worried  about what's he's actually got (results on the lab test on the fluid they are pumping out of his lungs  have yet to come back) or whether it's to protect him 100% from Coronavirus.


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


Ouch; hope he pulls through.  


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westv
03 April 2020 12:46:07


 


The majority of people are fat (64% of the UK in 2014), hence the majority of people in hospital will also be fat.


Fat people are, of course, more likely to have diabetes, high blood pressure, heart problems etc, all of which propel you up the risk charts for covid-19.


Originally Posted by: Retron 

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I would say the majority are from slightly overweight upwards. I wouldn't class someone being a few pounds overweight as "fat"


At least it will be mild!
westv
03 April 2020 12:47:40

Debenhams bosses are preparing to place the 242-year-old department store chain into administration next week.

The move comes just days after most of the staff were placed onto the Governments furlough scheme

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

">https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-struggling-debenhams-to-put-administrators-on-standby-11968038


Been in trouble for years. I expect we'll now be losing the last department store in the city here at some point.


At least it will be mild!
Gandalf The White
03 April 2020 12:48:01


 


He looks bloody rough 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Yes, he looks worse than he did. That's actually a real concern because he ought to have been through the worst of it by now.


I hope he doesn't end up in hospital or requiring ventilation; the prognosis for cases requiring the latter is awful (50/50). 


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xioni2
03 April 2020 12:49:45


 BMI was cited as an issue over a week ago when discussing the surge in cases in New York requiring hospitalisation and ventilation.


An abnormal BMI is in effect an 'underlying condition' as much as any other condition.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Indeed and obviously excess weight is associated with hypertension and diabetes, which are CV19 mortality pathologies. 


We should all fast and repent now. 


Brian Gaze
03 April 2020 12:49:55


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I would say the majority are from slightly overweight upwards. I wouldn't class someone being a few pounds overweight as "fat"


Originally Posted by: westv 


In the UK if your BMI is over 25 you are classified as fat and over 30 you are obese.


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Justin W
03 April 2020 12:51:48


 


In the UK if your BMI is over 25 you are classified as fat and over 30 you are obese.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Yes - absolutely. We should all aim for a BMI of 20 or below.


A lot of people are going to be very ill from Covid-19 even though they probably think they are "just a couple of pounds overweight". It is merciless


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Maunder Minimum
03 April 2020 12:56:26


 


Yes, he looks worse than he did. That's actually a real concern because he ought to have been through the worst of it by now.


I hope he doesn't end up in hospital or requiring ventilation; the prognosis for cases requiring the latter is awful (50/50). 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


It is a concern, since the anecdotal evidence is that the longer the symptoms persist, the more likely it is that they will get serious.


As for BMI - one of the issues for the clinically obese apparently, is that you are more likely to contract pneumonia - something to do with pressure on the diaphragm:


https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpregu.00173.2017


"Obesity is a common comorbidity of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) and has been associated with worse outcomes.


...


These data provide statistical evidence that regardless of the presence or absence of lung disease, diaphragm shape is significantly affected by BMI.


..."


Technical article above if you are interested.


New world order coming.
xioni2
03 April 2020 13:01:21


 Yes - absolutely. We should all aim for a BMI of 20 or below.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Don't depress me Justin, I am a smug 23-24 and love my food too much to lower it.


 


 

westv
03 April 2020 13:01:48


 


In the UK if your BMI is over 25 you are classified as fat and over 30 you are obese.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


A difference of only 1 lb can separate someone who is ok and someone who has too high a BMI.


Anyway, according to the NHS, waist size is a better indicator of excess fat 


"A better measure of excess fat is waist size, which can be used as an additional measure in people who are overweight (with a BMI of 25 to 29.9) or moderately obese (with a BMI of 30 to 34.9).


Generally, men with a waist size of 94cm or more and women with a waist size of 80cm or more are more likely to develop obesity-related health problems."


although they don't mention height which I would have been important.


At least it will be mild!
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