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Brian Gaze
03 April 2020 13:24:15


 


Upshot is, you shouldn't be worried if you have a BMI in the 23-26 range unless you have any metabolic risk factors (such as high blood pressure, high blood sugar, high levels of visceral abdominal fat e.c.t.). 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


The scale I linked to above will measure visceral (around the organs as I understand) fat. Mine is 7 which is ok.


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xioni2
03 April 2020 13:24:57



By the way, I think Ocado have gone into meltdown, as they are cancelling scores of deliveries today and their website has been down since 6 this morning.

Originally Posted by: warrenb 


I had my last Ocado delivery scheduled for tomorrow and I made it my biggest ever. If they cancel it, then I'll go find Beast and start a riot.


Justin W
03 April 2020 13:25:22


 


Not sure about this. The other side of the U shaped curve (and it is a U shaped curve) has not been well studied. From what I gather a BMI in the early twenties up to around 25 has no significant increased morbidity risk. It goes up really fast when you are above 30 though.


People with BMIs under 20 have significant morbidity risks too. Although it seems like a low BMI (18-20 range) is okay provided you arn't malnurished, have some kind of eating disorder, or are quite old. My BMI is, I think, around 19 but I put that down to large amounts of long distance running which tends to do that to you after a while.


Upshot is, you shouldn't be worried if you have a BMI in the 23-26 range unless you have any metabolic risk factors (such as high blood pressure, high blood sugar, high levels of visceral abdominal fat e.c.t.).


And if you do have those metabolic risk factors they are a problem regardless of your BMI.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


What I have read suggests that if your BMI is in the lower part of the normal weight range (which is 18.5 to 24.9), you are less likely to suffer serious illness (heart conditions, cancer, etc) than those whose BMI is between 23 and 30. 


It's important to point out that normal weight BMI is 18.5 to 24.9. Describing 18-20 as low BMI is incorrect.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Gavin D
03 April 2020 13:27:54

Deaths have increased by 115 since yesterday


Scotland +46
Wales + 24
Northern Ireland +12


That leaves 33 new deaths in England up to 5pm yesterday.


Scotland have seen the biggest increase in the last 24 hours.

Quantum
03 April 2020 13:28:07

BMI is a terrible way of defining weight, as it does no take build into account. I have always been classed as Overweight according to BMI (29).
I am very broad but quite short and run every day.

By the way, I think Ocado have gone into meltdown, as they are cancelling scores of deliveries today and their website has been down since 6 this morning.

Originally Posted by: warrenb 


Its okay for most people who arn't athletes tbf but it is true to say that the risks of being mildly overweight (25-26 type range) have probably been overstated in the same way the risks for the mildly underweight (18-19 type range) have probably been understated.


What we do know is that being obese is really bad. I mean really really bad. A BMI of 35 should be considered dangerous, for example.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
fairweather
03 April 2020 13:28:13

Let's be honest, despite our moans and groans on here about testing and the stats and so on I think most of us thought and hoped we would somehow be different to Spain and Italy. We were wrong and sadly it looks like we are going to be at least as bad. It seems so hard to imagine so many people catching it when you yourself are not going near anybody and not touching any surfaces outside. Surely it must fall soon?


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warrenb
03 April 2020 13:28:28


 


I had my last Ocado delivery scheduled for tomorrow and I made it my biggest ever. If they cancel it, then I'll go find Beast and start a riot.



Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I have one for Monday that I booked 2 weeks ago, but have not been able to get a sniff of a slot (ooer) since then.


speckledjim
03 April 2020 13:30:25
Figures are obviously bad today but the last 3 days rate of increase for deaths have been 31%, 24%, 23% so heading in the right direction. Considering we are less than 2 weeks into the ‘lockdown’ that could be seen in a positive light.
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warrenb
03 April 2020 13:31:52
Trouble is, I am looking out of my window and the traffic is almost like a normal day on the A21. Lots of local arguments on Facebook about driving, and most who are, are basically saying it is advised and not the law to not drive somewhere.
Quantum
03 April 2020 13:32:42


 


What I have read suggests that if your BMI is in the lower part of the normal weight range (which is 18.5 to 24.9), you are less likely to suffer serious illness (heart conditions, cancer, etc) than those whose BMI is between 23 and 30. 


It's important to point out that normal weight BMI is 18.5 to 24.9. Describing 18-20 as low BMI is incorrect.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Tbh I think the 18.5-24.9 thing may be a bit outdated. I describe 18-20 as on the low side because it is definitely on the left of the morbity curve. It is very likely that having a BMI of 21-22 is not less healthy and probable that it's actually more healthy.



Here are some morbitity curves. Note the lowest point is typically more than 22!


The caveat to this is that alot of people on the low side will have malnurisment issues, if you only look at non malnurished people on the low side I suspect the curve is slightly kinder to people like me who sit a little below 20.


Nevertheless you don't want to be going much below 20. It's quite steep down there.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
John p
03 April 2020 13:33:29


Deaths have increased by 115 since yesterday


Scotland +46
Wales + 24
Northern Ireland +12


That leaves 33 new deaths in England up to 5pm yesterday.


Scotland have seen the biggest increase in the last 24 hours.


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


That doesn’t make sense to me unless it’s the way you’ve worded it. 33 new deaths in England?


Camberley, Surrey
Justin W
03 April 2020 13:33:52

Trouble is, I am looking out of my window and the traffic is almost like a normal day on the A21. Lots of local arguments on Facebook about driving, and most who are, are basically saying it is advised and not the law to not drive somewhere.

Originally Posted by: warrenb 


Same in East Kent - a friend says that Canterbury was busy yesterday and the Thanet Way was busy with people heading to the coast. People do not seem to be able observe 'guidance' for anything more than a couple of days. Tougher measures are needed, IMO, with the army being called in to man checkpoints. But I realise that is highly controversial


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Bolty
03 April 2020 13:34:58

The only thing I hope is that the warm weather on Sunday and again around midweek doesn't tempt a lot of people to disobey the lockdown otherwise we might have a serious problem. It does seem like there's been more traffic on the road these last few days, which does concen me also. The idiots who have been bending the rules really need to co-operating now, otherwise we will have a lockdown well into the summer and a death rate worse than Italy/Spain.


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Brian Gaze
03 April 2020 13:35:28

Just read that Hancock is now very sniffly. So he had a very sore throat and then a runny nose. Classic symptoms of the common cold. Again I question whether he had C19.


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xioni2
03 April 2020 13:35:39


Surely it must fall soon?


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


It will probably take longer and it will take us even longer to realise that the number of new infections is falling. This is because of the incubation period and the lag between being tested and getting the results. This has been well documented in China and the Italians think they are now experiencing the same.


 

Gavin D
03 April 2020 13:36:49


 That doesn’t make sense to me unless it’s the way you’ve worded it. 33 new deaths in England?


Originally Posted by: John p 


 


I mean it's an extra 33 on the figure released yesterday. Remembering as well some deaths actually occurred up to 2 weeks ago in England.

Maunder Minimum
03 April 2020 13:37:06

Trouble is, I am looking out of my window and the traffic is almost like a normal day on the A21. Lots of local arguments on Facebook about driving, and most who are, are basically saying it is advised and not the law to not drive somewhere.

Originally Posted by: warrenb 


Driving in and of itself should not be a problem - the issue is I guess where the motorists end up.


Our car has been out of use for two weeks now - when we needed a few groceries last weekend, I walked the two miles to the nearest store. But then, I work from home anyway.


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Brian Gaze
03 April 2020 13:37:11


 


Same in East Kent - a friend says that Canterbury was busy yesterday and the Thanet Way was busy with people heading to the coast. People do not seem to be able observe 'guidance' for anything more than a couple of days. Tougher measures are needed, IMO, with the army being called in to man checkpoints. But I realise that is highly controversial


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


 There was a lot of "essential" traffic around here when I went running this morning. Frankly it really p1sses me off and I remain of the view that the lockdown should be tightened. 


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xioni2
03 April 2020 13:37:56

Trouble is, I am looking out of my window and the traffic is almost like a normal day on the A21. Lots of local arguments on Facebook about driving, and most who are, are basically saying it is advised and not the law to not drive somewhere.

Originally Posted by: warrenb 


I've also been noticing slightly more traffic in my area and I think this is a mistake.

speckledjim
03 April 2020 13:38:27


Just read that Hancock is now very sniffly. So he had a very sore throat and then a runny nose. Classic symptoms of the common cold. Again I question whether he had C19.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


He said yesterday that he was tested. This was in answer to a question asking why he was considered a priority for testing.


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Brian Gaze
03 April 2020 13:41:04


 


He said yesterday that he was tested. This was in answer to a question asking why he was considered a priority for testing.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Yes I read that too.  I seriously think the test could have either given a false positive or been messed up for someone else's. Nonetheless, I'm genuinely pleased he is feeling better. We (or another country) really must get antibody testing up and running ASAP to get a better picture of what is going on.


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Heavy Weather 2013
03 April 2020 13:41:56
I feel we need to enforce a stronger lockdown this weekend ahead of the warm weather. I’ve noticed more traffic on the road where I live also.

I think the army need to be on standby.
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Gandalf The White
03 April 2020 13:42:13

Figures are obviously bad today but the last 3 days rate of increase for deaths have been 31%, 24%, 23% so heading in the right direction. Considering we are less than 2 weeks into the ‘lockdown’ that could be seen in a positive light.

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


I think we are just 9 days into the tighter restrictions (as its yesterday's data) and given the incubation period of 1-2 weeks and then another week or so before people succumb, that means, very sadly, we might be facing another two weeks before there's a marked slowdown in the number of deaths.  But as you say the trend is at least the right way at the moment.


Hopefully the number of reported cases (as distinct from the actual number) ought to start showing the effects of the tighter controls through next week.


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xioni2
03 April 2020 13:42:22


 Same in East Kent - a friend says that Canterbury was busy yesterday and the Thanet Way was busy with people heading to the coast. People do not seem to be able observe 'guidance' for anything more than a couple of days. Tougher measures are needed, IMO, with the army being called in to man checkpoints. But I realise that is highly controversial


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


I've been quite impressed with Greece. They are normally a pretty unruly bunch and they are also very social (retired people go to coffee houses every day, tavernas are usually packed in the evenings etc.), but they have taken the hammer approach since 11 March and it seems to be working. They keep strengthening the lockdown and they have closed their borders with the hope that they will eliminate new infections by May. The police is quite strict in enforcing the quarantine and polls show that it's massively popular.


 


 

Gavin D
03 April 2020 13:42:33

Figures are obviously bad today but the last 3 days rate of increase for deaths have been 31%, 24%, 23% so heading in the right direction. Considering we are less than 2 weeks into the ‘lockdown’ that could be seen in a positive light.

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


 


How do you work that percentage out? 

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