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Brian Gaze
06 April 2020 08:33:26


Hearing that Johnson has been put on a ventilator


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


 Is that from a good source?


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06 April 2020 08:33:43
Markets have slipped back from opening highs.
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Brian Gaze
06 April 2020 08:36:09


Thanks for the replies on the european markets. Our rise currently is pretty much in line with theirs. With the way markets build in, if Boris was not far from death's door as one post would suggest, I would have thought our markets would be lower because of this.
As its not, I am taking that as positive in the PM's favour.


EDIT: Just read our gains have been capped by Boris being in hospital.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


I would be looking at the currency markets and in particular the £. At the present time it is in positive territory. Keep an eye on it through the day.


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The Beast from the East
06 April 2020 08:37:00


Thanks for the replies on the european markets. Our rise currently is pretty much in line with theirs. With the way markets build in, if Boris was not far from death's door as one post would suggest, I would have thought our markets would be lower because of this.
As its not, I am taking that as positive in the PM's favour.


EDIT: Just read our gains have been capped by Boris being in hospital.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


I read somewhere that the Chinese Govt have been buying up a lot of shares after the initial crash a few weeks ago. 


China have used this to cement their world domination. The US is now in a mess thanks to their own idiocy of not containing the virus


But if its true there is a second wave coming, perhaps it doesn't matter. We are screwed anyway!


 


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Justin W
06 April 2020 08:41:44


 


 Is that from a good source?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Yes


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
The Beast from the East
06 April 2020 08:42:31


 


Aha - I'd read (years ago) that the common cold is so hard to vaccinate against because there are not only several groups of viruses which can cause it (coronaviruses, rhinoviruses etc), but there are several variants within each of the types - meaning there are hundreds, if not thousands, of different strains which would need to be vaccinated against.


You could, in theory, do it for a few types but with the other hundreds out there... it'd be rather pointless.


PS - thank you for the reply Michael! If nothing else, this new coronavirus will provide plenty of research material in the years to come and will hopefully further our understanding of how these things work and evolve.


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


I mentioned this yesterday but I was so impressed with the Discovery Channel documentary about this. Explained in simple terms so a layman can understand. I think its available on Catch up


If this can mutate as easily as a cold, there is no point trying to get a vaccine, but the mutation will probably be weaker so we don't need to worry about it too much. Of course, vulnerable groups will still be at risk, but they are from normal flu anyway


I still think we have to ease the lockdowns ASAP as the economic and social damage will kill more than the virus. Massive rise in domestic violence reported today for eg


 


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Quantum
06 April 2020 08:42:57


 


Yes


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Then his chance is slightly less than 1/2


Its now more likely than not that he will die.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gooner
06 April 2020 08:45:11


 


Italy is planning to use swabs and blood tests to establish who can return to work safely. The regions of Veneto in the north and Lazio around Rome are proposing to prioritise health workers and public employees.


The gradual relaxation could begin from April 14, depending on epidemiological data, and is expected initially to be in the building, agricultural, pharmaceutical and health sectors.


 


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/italy-and-spain-glimpse-a-way-out-of-coronavirus-lockdown-09qqc6267


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Ours have stayed operational so it will be interesting what their next stage will be and how long that will take 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Gooner
06 April 2020 08:46:13


 


Then his chance is slightly less than 1/2


Its now more likely than not that he will die.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Top your glass up 


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The Beast from the East
06 April 2020 08:46:35


 Woman claims that she won't get sick because she is 'covered in Jesus' blood'. Just one woman admittedly but feel sure there are probably a lot more.


 




Originally Posted by: JHutch 


Some anecdotal evidence in this country of Muslims gathering together to pray in homes. Police reluctant to intervene for fear of appearing racist and also the local community are closing ranks


I think Maunder said same thing happening with orthodox Jews in parts of Israel


 


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The Beast from the East
06 April 2020 08:47:43


 


Then his chance is slightly less than 1/2


Its now more likely than not that he will die.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


He's only 55 though and a keen cyclist so his lungs must be in good shape?


 


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The Beast from the East
06 April 2020 08:49:06


 


 Is that from a good source?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Jenrick doing the media rounds saying Boris is fine?


 


 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
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Quantum
06 April 2020 08:49:47


 


He's only 55 though and a keen cyclist so his lungs must be in good shape?


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


If he's on a ventilator it's flip a coin. The odds are not even that much better for a young, slim, women.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
westv
06 April 2020 08:49:57


 


Jenrick doing the media rounds saying Boris is fine?


 


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I would expect the reality to be somewhere in the middle.


At least it will be mild!
doctormog
06 April 2020 08:52:57


 


Top your glass up 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I think Q is using the statistics for his assumption not anything else. If the PM is indeed now on a ventilator statistically the chances te around 50/50. Without further detail it is really hard to know or comment further.


The Beast from the East
06 April 2020 08:53:03

At least they've chose Raab and not Priti (who is unfit to hold any office in my view)


Why not Gover? At least he is smart. Raab is a moron


I think we may need a National Govt, if the worst happens


 


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Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Phil G
06 April 2020 08:55:02


 


I read somewhere that the Chinese Govt have been buying up a lot of shares after the initial crash a few weeks ago.


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


More reason the world should go after them financially to pay for this mess they have created.

Gandalf The White
06 April 2020 08:59:04


 


I think Q is using the statistics for his assumption not anything else. If the PM is indeed now on a ventilator statistically the chances te around 50/50. Without further detail it is really hard to know or comment further.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Presumably if he is on a ventilator it is because he has developed pneumonia. The fact that he was put on oxygen last night suggests his oxygen levels were lower than normal and therefore his lungs were not working properly even last night - and we know that pneumonia from Covid-19 can develop very quickly.


As you say, the evidence for some time now has indicated only a 50/50 survival rate if your lungs are failing.


I hope to God he's in the fortunate 50% but repairing the lung damage takes a long time, as I understand it, so if/when he pulls through I can't see him coping with the rigours and stresses of leading the country.


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Justin W
06 April 2020 09:03:16

Just to be clear - the source is a journalist in the lobby. That doesn't mean he is right, it may just be a conflation of the news about oxygen being administered. I sincerely hope the information is inaccurate.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Brian Gaze
06 April 2020 09:04:44


I hope to God he's in the fortunate 50% but repairing the lung damage takes a long time, as I understand it, so if/when he pulls through I can't see him coping with the rigours and stresses of leading the country.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 I hope he's fortunate too. The only "good" thing to come from this is the possibility it will lead idiots who think it is a disease only for old people and those with "underlying health conditions" to start worrying more about their own situations. It has been clear for weeks that although some factors change the odds considerably whether we as individuals live or die after contracting corona virus is a lottery. 


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doctormog
06 April 2020 09:05:44


Just to be clear - the source is a journalist in the lobby. That doesn't mean he is right, it may just be a conflation of the news about oxygen being administered. I sincerely hope the information is inaccurate.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


I hope so too. Perhaps he is being treated by CPAP which is almost an in-between scenario?


Quantum
06 April 2020 09:06:58

There is a big difference between hospital admission + oxygen which equates to high survival vs ventilator which is the coin flip.


But I'm not sure you'd even expect him to be on a ventilator at this point. On average it takes around 3 days from hospital admission. It can, of course, be quicker than that. Although if it is quicker I don't think that's a good sign at all.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
llamedos
06 April 2020 09:08:38

From the BBC, an interesting short read about 1940's infectious disease advice, with an interesting comment I've highlighted about exposure to sunlight.  


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-52152993


"but for streptococcal infections (such as scarlet fever or the most common form of pneumonia) "the liberal use of soap, water and exposure to sunlight will be effective."


Sunlight is main natural source of vitamin D, but it is accepted it doesn't provide enough for the body's daily requirement. 


The value/effectiveness of Vitamin supplements is not fully proven, but further/continued research in this area may prove fruitful ?


 


"Vitamin D is necessary for the proper functioning of your immune system, which is your body’s first line of defense against infection and disease.


This vitamin plays a critical role in promoting immune response. It has both anti-inflammatory and immunoregulatory properties and is crucial for the activation of immune system defenses. 


Vitamin D is known to enhance the function of immune cells, including T-cells and macrophages, that protect your body against pathogens. 


In fact, the vitamin is so important for immune function that low levels of vitamin D have been associated with an increased susceptibility to infection, disease, and immune-related disorders.


For example, low vitamin D levels are associated with an increased risk of respiratory diseases, including tuberculosis, asthma, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), as well as viral and bacterial respiratory infections. 


What’s more, vitamin D deficiency has been linked to decreased lung function, which may affect your body’s ability to fight respiratory infections"


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Rob K
06 April 2020 09:19:26


 


 Apparently there are eight strains of this virus circulating at the moment. Source BBC Science.THis might explain the very different levels of severity and also the possibility of re-infection although 2nd time round it would be highly un-usual to be so bad.


Originally Posted by: bledur 


Unless you got a mild one first and then a more virulent one next time? Or are they closely related enough that the immune system is better prepared the second time?


 


Re sunlight post above, I actually managed to get slightly sunburnt this weekend while spending much of the time out in the garden. Should have topped up my Vitamin D levels!


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Polar Low
06 April 2020 09:22:19

Not always it can be used because of greatly increased co2 levels in blood which can make you feel very ill and confused very strict guidelines about ventilator use as can actually induce pneumonia  if the breathing rate gets to about 28 times a minute, then this is a signal that ventilation may be needed that was the guidelines with my boy anyway.


 



 


Presumably if he is on a ventilator it is because he has developed pneumonia. The fact that he was put on oxygen last night suggests his oxygen levels were lower than normal and therefore his lungs were not working properly even last night - and we know that pneumonia from Covid-19 can develop very quickly.


As you say, the evidence for some time now has indicated only a 50/50 survival rate if your lungs are failing.


I hope to God he's in the fortunate 50% but repairing the lung damage takes a long time, as I understand it, so if/when he pulls through I can't see him coping with the rigours and stresses of leading the country.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

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