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Gandalf The White
06 April 2020 10:20:55


 


 I hope he's fortunate too. The only "good" thing to come from this is the possibility it will lead idiots who think it is a disease only for old people and those with "underlying health conditions" to start worrying more about their own situations. It has been clear for weeks that although some factors change the odds considerably whether we as individuals live or die after contracting corona virus is a lottery. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Exactly my thoughts when the news broke last night. 


I watched the video on YouTube last night - someone posted the link yesterday evening - and it was quite helpful in explaining how the virus attacks the lungs, but nothing new there and I was really hoping for some light to be shed on what happens in the ca 20% of cases which produce the significantly worse symptoms.  Is it a lottery or are there mechanisms that we simply don't yet understand?  The piece on BBC R4 this morning (mentioned earlier) explaining a possible reason for lower mortality amongst females was an example of a mechanism of which most would be unaware.

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Gandalf The White
06 April 2020 10:24:35


 


This is known to be happening in the West Midlands and health professionals are aware of it. The police will stop people from sunbathing in parks, even if they are yards away from anyone else, but they appear reluctant to enforce action on this topic - looks like the police have learned nothing from the grooming scandals!


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Isn't freedom to pursue your chosen religion somewhat different to child abuse?

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Quantum
06 April 2020 10:36:15

Why is it the same virtue signalling Ghuls that vapidly spout 'be kind' are the same mindless hefalumps that are wishing that Boris will die? Something I've noticed while crawling through the sewer that is twitter.


 

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Caz
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06 April 2020 10:36:19


Can somebody just confirm that the Scottish Medical Advisor who has now resigned and is uniformly suffering enormous vitriol is because she traveled unnecessarily? From a previous question about this a couple of weeks ago i was told the reason was because they wanted to cut down on traffic to prevent ambulances and hospital resources having to be used on RTAs. If this is the case I can see why there might need to be a blanket approach to prevent people who don't understand cross infection fully and doing extra things whilst traveling. I ask because I don't like bandwagons or witch hunts where they may not be valid. So trying to step back and considering the facts we have:-



  1. She clearly broke the rule regarding unnecessary travelling.

  2. She didn't break the rules on social distancing (Her own family, isolated in car, going to another house only used by themselves)

  3. So no risk of cross infection because of above (other than the police knocking on her door rather than phoning)

  4. Are RTA's known to be the biggest risk for ambulances being called? I suspect they are of those that can be reasonably reduced although there are many other social activities that lead to ambulances being called (e.g DIY accidents).


On balance I think she set a bad example and probably had to go. Does she deserve the level of hatred she is receiving. probably not, as nobody was hurt and as she didn't have an accident. I think there are far worse things going on out there and the police and media should be concentrating on those.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 

I don’t know whether they actually gave a reason for banning non-essential travel but RTC reduction would be a good reason. I think the response was to those flocking to second homes in tourist hotspots, where facilities such as emergency services would be stretched further.  They closed down caravan parks for that reason.


As you say, she wasn’t breaking social distancing rules, but the same could be said for other activities that have had to stop, such as going fishing.  There will be circumstances where the ban isn’t necessary for social distancing, but it would be hard to separate them and there’d be those abusing it. 

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westv
06 April 2020 10:37:55


Why is it the same virtue signalling Ghuls that vapidly spout 'be kind' are the same mindless hefalumps that are wishing that Boris will die? Something I've noticed while crawling through the sewer that is twitter.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Ghuls?

At least it will be mild!
xioni2
06 April 2020 10:39:05

It's fairly clear now that the lockdowns are working with Italy and  Spain slowly turning this around and we should follow in about 2 weeks. I think our peak in terms of daily deaths will probably be next week and could easily be close to that of Italy & Spain.


However if we and most other countries don't prepare a proper test, trace and isolate regime, then we'll either get into a vicious lock & release cycle or a much prolonged lockdown with a much bigger impact on the economy. We really need to be ready to this when the number of new infections comes down, many Asian countries have demonstrated its success.


 

Justin W
06 April 2020 10:43:07


Why is it the same virtue signalling Ghuls that vapidly spout 'be kind' are the same mindless hefalumps that are wishing that Boris will die? Something I've noticed while crawling through the sewer that is twitter.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I haven't come across anybody wishing ill on the Prime Minister

Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Quantum
06 April 2020 10:43:58


 


Ghuls?


Originally Posted by: westv 


Spawn of the devil, malicious spirits that hang around graveyards and the dead, parasites disguised as beautiful people e.c.t.


 

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
06 April 2020 10:45:51


 


I haven't come across anybody wishing ill on the Prime Minister


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Twitter seems to outperform as usual. Doesn't take long to find it on any of the Boris hashtags.


 

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Lionel Hutz
06 April 2020 10:46:43


It's fairly clear now that the lockdowns are working with Italy and  Spain slowly turning this around and we should follow in about 2 weeks. I think our peak in terms of daily deaths will probably be next week and could easily be close to that of Italy & Spain.


However if we and most other countries don't prepare a proper test, trace and isolate regime, then we'll either get into a vicious lock & release cycle or a much prolonged lockdown with a much bigger impact on the economy. We really need to be ready to this when the number of new infections comes down, many Asian countries have demonstrated its success.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 



Absolutely. Even though phase 1 isn't over yet(beating the initial surge), it is crucial that preparations are made for phase 2. 

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Rob K
06 April 2020 10:47:42

It’s truly staggering that last weekend they were mooting the idea of antibody tests being available from Boots and Amazon ‘within days’ - now look where we are. None of them work!

I think the desperation to share good news / give hope, is leading people to open their mouths prematurely.

The government really need some sort of comms expert on board.

Originally Posted by: John p 


Quite right; whatever you say about the government’s response to the crisis I don’t think anybody could deny that their PR machine needs to have the plug pulled! And not just because of these misleading announcements, but also the bungled way the details of what is and isn’t permitted under the restrictions have been communicated. 

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Quantum
06 April 2020 10:48:29


 



Absolutely. Even though phase 1 isn't over yet(beating the initial surge), it is crucial that preparations are made for phase 2. 


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


My understanding is there is but that the strategy just hasn't been finalized yet. And it makes sense you wouldn't want to reveal details of said strategy until it is

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
westv
06 April 2020 10:48:52


 


Spawn of the devil, malicious spirits that hang around graveyards and the dead, parasites disguised as beautiful people e.c.t.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Oh ghouls. I should have realised that.

At least it will be mild!
Quantum
06 April 2020 10:49:58


 


Oh ghouls. I should have realised that.


Originally Posted by: westv 


Ghoul is the westernized term but that doesn't have quite the connotations of the original arabic that means a more malicious and parasitical spirit that enjoys hanging around the dead.


 

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Rob K
06 April 2020 10:50:14


 


I haven't come across anybody wishing ill on the Prime Minister


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Searched on Twitter for “Boris Johnson” and this was literally the second result. 


https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1247023000005808135?s=21


That’s one of the gentler ones. 

Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
xioni2
06 April 2020 10:51:23

On a personal level, my mate has pulled through. His high fever and persistent coughing lasted for 9 days, he says that night time was the worst as this is when he was finding it harder to breathe. He is a fit guy in his late 30s with no known conditions and he describes it as the worst experience of his life.


Interestingly, his pregnant wife also seems to have contracted it from him, but with much milder symptoms developing a few days later. She only got a slight fever and some  dry coughing for 4-5 days and she has now fully recovered. It's all anecdotal of course, but I think it shows again how the same virus can impact similar people in very different ways and we don't know why. It could be genetics, or exposure to different viral loads or the conditions of the lungs or something else.


On a slightly different note, I had my Ocado delivery on Saturday (almost everything was there except yeast). The driver seemed in a bit of a state so I asked him if he was alright and he said he was upset because he was 45mins early for the previous customer and when he phoned him, he said he couldn't make it back yet as he was at his parents. The driver then burst into tears as he told me that his mother is in intensive care with CV19 and he just can't believe how selfish some people are.


 

Quantum
06 April 2020 10:52:03


 


Searched on Twitter for “Boris Johnson” and this was literally the second result. 


https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1247023000005808135?s=21


That’s one of the gentler ones. 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


And twitter will shadowban you if you dare question the authority of the Blue Checkmarks (praise be). But like I say, its the same people that projectile vomit 'Be kind' everytime some braindead 'influencer' gets called a 'poopyhead' on snapchat.


 

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Sevendust
06 April 2020 10:55:07


 


I haven't come across anybody wishing ill on the Prime Minister


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Avoid FB then!

Essan
06 April 2020 10:59:49


Can somebody just confirm that the Scottish Medical Advisor who has now resigned and is uniformly suffering enormous vitriol is because she traveled unnecessarily? From a previous question about this a couple of weeks ago i was told the reason was because they wanted to cut down on traffic to prevent ambulances and hospital resources having to be used on RTAs. If this is the case I can see why there might need to be a blanket approach to prevent people who don't understand cross infection fully and doing extra things whilst traveling. I ask because I don't like bandwagons or witch hunts where they may not be valid. So trying to step back and considering the facts we have:-



  1. She clearly broke the rule regarding unnecessary travelling.

  2. She didn't break the rules on social distancing (Her own family, isolated in car, going to another house only used by themselves)

  3. So no risk of cross infection because of above (other than the police knocking on her door rather than phoning)

  4. Are RTA's known to be the biggest risk for ambulances being called? I suspect they are of those that can be reasonably reduced although there are many other social activities that lead to ambulances being called (e.g DIY accidents).


On balance I think she set a bad example and probably had to go. Does she deserve the level of hatred she is receiving. probably not, as nobody was hurt and as she didn't have an accident. I think there are far worse things going on out there and the police and media should be concentrating on those.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 




There has been a big publicity campaign, especially in Scotland, telling people NOT to visit their holiday homes.  Mainly because the influx of people into areas of (normally) lower population not only risks the spread of the virus but may also put more pressure on limited medical resources in remoter areas.

It has been a very clear message.

The Scottish CMO blatantly disregarded it.

If she can drive to her holiday home to spend the night there (for no valid reason whatsoever), why can't I?   I'm just packing now.  Can't wait to get back into the Highlands

Andy
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Rob K
06 April 2020 11:03:22
I’ve been largely avoiding social media, and media in general. Focusing on enjoying the time at home, getting jobs done and spending time with the kids, which was in very short supply in my “past life”.

Because I worked long hours and late nights I didn’t have much of a social life anyway, it was pretty much restricted to weekend bike rides and/or pub visits with a group of friends, but that’s really the only thing I really miss. Yesterday we had a Zoom chat with six or seven of us sitting at home or in our gardens with a beer or glass of wine. Then my wife did the same with her friends while I put the kids to bed.

As I’ve mentioned elsewhere, on a personal level I feel happier and less stressed than I have in a while, though I know that could easily change if friends or family fall ill. (My wife’s great aunt is 104 and lives in a care home, so we are rather concerned for her welfare.)
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Brian Gaze
06 April 2020 11:05:12


Who would lead the UK response if Johnson were sidelined?






Norman Smith
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52178501
 
It's the hapless Norman Smith but the cynic in me wonders whether the BBC is preparing us for Johnson to take a break.

Brian Gaze
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xioni2
06 April 2020 11:05:46

As I’ve mentioned elsewhere, on a personal level I feel happier and less stressed than I have in a while

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


You are far from alone, many of my friends are like this, even though some hesitate to admit it as somehow they feel like they need to conform into the new normal state of doom and gloom.


 

Gavin D
06 April 2020 11:07:15
Brits have been told to avoid going abroad "indefinitely" after the Foreign Office changed its travel advice.
Saint Snow
06 April 2020 11:07:28


 


My understanding is there is but that the strategy just hasn't been finalized yet. And it makes sense you wouldn't want to reveal details of said strategy until it is


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 



If true, then it's incompetence on an industrial scale.


I know loyalists get sniffy when this government is criticised, but in this crisis, they've been miles behind at every turn in regards to their response (apart from Sunak's fiscal measures, which were bold and swiftly delivered).


Planning for 'phase 2' should gave been part of the overall strategy agreed weeks ago, with the resources & apparatus starting to be put in place from that moment. 


A comprehensive 'trace, test, isolate' programme takes huge effort, resources & coordination. It can't just be effectively created from scratch in a week or two. 


 


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Gandalf The White
06 April 2020 11:11:10


Why is it the same virtue signalling Ghuls that vapidly spout 'be kind' are the same mindless hefalumps that are wishing that Boris will die? Something I've noticed while crawling through the sewer that is twitter.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


There are some left-wing people on Twitter who have lost their moral compass whilst retaining the ability to type a few words.

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