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Brian Gaze
06 April 2020 12:42:13


 


We just don't know though, it's possible that he just has some moderate breathing difficulties and his doctor wanted a CT scan of his lungs. They could just be erring on the side of caution (wish they had done the same with the country a month ago).


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


That's my view too. However, the CT scan and review of it by the radiologist would be complete very quickly. Therefore, I could understand them keeping him under observation last night but tonight would be more surprising.

Brian Gaze
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llamedos
06 April 2020 12:42:34


 


I think it's a given that he doesn't write his tweets.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

He might dictate them though 

"Life with the Lions"

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westv
06 April 2020 12:44:06

As long as Larry the cat writes his own tweets I'll be happy.

At least it will be mild!
speckledjim
06 April 2020 12:44:11


 


Out of order. How do you know his source was wrong. Soundbites and words from Number 10 are meaningless until you see Boris Johnson back at work leading the country.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I see, so the government are lying.....fair enough

Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
John p
06 April 2020 12:45:29


 


I see, so the government are lying.....fair enough


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


You don’t think the government have ever lied?

Camberley, Surrey
westv
06 April 2020 12:45:47


 


I see, so the government are lying.....fair enough


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


All governments will play down the health of their leaders.

At least it will be mild!
speckledjim
06 April 2020 12:46:48


 


You don’t think the government have ever lied?


Originally Posted by: John p 


of course they have but I do not believe for one second that Boris is currently on a ventilator. 

Thorner, West Yorkshire


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xioni2
06 April 2020 12:46:55


I think by Cheltenham the penny had dropped for most of us and we knew something massive was taking place. I feel it was at this point when the "armchair experts" actually were moving quicker than the cogs of government. A little bit like how the Met Office 30 dayer sometimes lags the latest trends which are apparent to us.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Probably not just the armchair experts, I haven't really followed forex, but both against USD and EUR it seems that the pound sank during the herd immunity shambles and rebounded after the lockdown. Many analysts thought that Britain was on a ruinous path in mid-March.


 


Gooner
06 April 2020 12:47:01


 


Apparently 24m people watched it.


Originally Posted by: westv 


40% of the population 

Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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The Beast from the East
06 April 2020 12:49:49


 


Justin did caveat the info, I suspect oxygen was given (some people just need some minor assistance for a period) and that may have been interpreted as ventilation, along the way.


I for one appreciate the titbits of info so won’t be taking part in a pile-on.


Originally Posted by: John p 


If what Downing St says is true, then he shouldn't be taking up a hospital bed


If he only has a cough and temp, he should not be in hospital


 

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Heavy Weather 2013
06 April 2020 12:51:05


 


If what Downing St says is true, then he shouldn't be taking up a hospital bed


If he only has a cough and temp, he should not be in hospital


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Blimey, we agree.


If he remains in hospital tonight, as far as I am concerned it is serious.

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Justin W
06 April 2020 12:51:52


 


Yes, can’t say I’m too surprised that Justin’s ‘source’ proved to be completely wrong. Seems to be lots of people that have sources that know stuff 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


We shall see. As a doctor has pointed out in the Times, these 'routine' tests upon admittance to hospital take about four hours after which the patient is either sent home or admitted. That Johnson is being kept in for another night suggests that this is not going to script. I also imagine that No10 will want him to be out and back at work ASAP given the potential effect on national morale. 


Your postings since all this started have been pretty dismissive of the danger posed by this virus. So far, you've been wrong at every point.

Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Quantum
06 April 2020 12:52:02

I'd take the worst possible intepretation of what downing street is saying.


'Tests' are diagnostic tests like X-rays e.c.t.


Performing well means 'responding to treatment'


Treatment is probably worse than oxygen but not as bad as ventilator. Probably CPAP.


 


Everything there is consistent with the message while still allowing #10 to play down what is still a very serious case.

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
bledur
06 April 2020 12:52:11


 


I think it's a given that he doesn't write his tweets.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 Not like Trump who writes all his own stuff.

Gooner
06 April 2020 12:52:18


 


If what Downing St says is true, then he shouldn't be taking up a hospital bed


If he only has a cough and temp, he should not be in hospital


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Bang on , no point in him being there 


Why friends wife collapsed in the hospital car park and they still didn't admit here because her oxygen levels were ok ????

Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


llamedos
06 April 2020 12:52:22

I've been cleaning my patio with a biodegradable, wild-life friendly, solution. The results have been brilliant but the lady of the house has found some dead worms, which is apparently my fault. There has been quite a lot of saucepan clanging and bearing in mind it's not Thursday I'm now concerned I may also be admitted to hospital with "underlying health conditions"......  

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The Beast from the East
06 April 2020 12:53:37


 


One of the reasons I'm modelling confirmed cases rather than deaths. Deaths may be closer to the actual number but I'd rather have a consistent, representitive metric than one that has constantly switching methodologies. Confirmed cases will also have reduced lag so will be more 'up to date'.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I expect another drop today thanks to the Scotland number. If the govt is fiddling the numbers and counting like Germany, then I am more than happy for things to look better than they really are


I want this lockdown to end now


It will end in Europe in a few weeks. Hopefully, the shops and pubs can open here in May


 


 

"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
xioni2
06 April 2020 12:54:21


We shall see. As a doctor has pointed out in the Times, these 'routine' tests upon admittance to hospital take about four hours after which the patient is either sent home or admitted. That Johnson is being kept in for another night suggests that this is not going to script. I also imagine that No10 will want him to be out and back at work ASAP given the potential effect on national morale. 


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Maybe he just hates the job now and he finds shelter at the hospital until the storm passes and he can go back to brexit.


Gooner
06 April 2020 12:54:53


I've been cleaning my patio with a biodegradable, wild-life friendly, solution. The results have been brilliant but the lady of the house has found some dead worms, which is apparently my fault. There has been quite a lot of saucepan clanging and bearing in mind it's not Thursday I'm now concerned I may also be admitted to hospital with "underlying health conditions"......  


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


westv
06 April 2020 12:55:16


Treatment is probably worse than oxygen but not as bad as ventilator. Probably CPAP.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


CPAP is still a form of ventilation so, if correct, the reports were along the right lines.

At least it will be mild!
xioni2
06 April 2020 12:56:44


I've been cleaning my patio with a biodegradable, wild-life friendly, solution. The results have been brilliant but the lady of the house has found some dead worms, which is apparently my fault. There has been quite a lot of saucepan clanging and bearing in mind it's not Thursday I'm now concerned I may also be admitted to hospital with "underlying health conditions"......  


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


 maybe your wife thinks long term and worms and bugs will be all we have to eat by November.


 

The Beast from the East
06 April 2020 12:56:45


 


 


I wasn't 'political point scoring', I was making a general philosophical point, which Hickster turned into a sneering personal accusation, which I corrected him on.


Staying with 'general philosophical points', its nonsense to say it's "never morally justifiable to wish ill towards someone". There are countless figures littering history who we would all wish ill, as they have caused 'harm'. Starting from that point, the difference between people is where they draw their own red line on what level of harm they consider the subject in question to have caused.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I don't seem to have any ill feeling towards Bozo, even though I think he is a lying charlatan. I quite like him as a person. I don't know why!


But Nadine Dorries on the other hand.....

"We have some alternative facts for you"
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Justin W
06 April 2020 12:57:52

Johnson has a BMI of 34.5 AFAIK. He lost weight in 2018 but then piled it back on during the election campaign last year. His weight doesn't put him in the 'extremely vulnerable' category (he would be shielding for 12 weeks if it did), but it does class him as obese and, therefore, vulnerable. 


Those carrying a lot of extra weight seem to be more at risk of serious breathing difficulties.


 


EDIT: Should also point out that Downing St described Russian reports that he is on a ventilator as 'disinformation'. That is not a denial.

Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
xioni2
06 April 2020 12:59:12


Johnson has a BMI of 34.5 AFAIK. He lost weight in 2018 but then piled it back on during the election campaign last year. His weight doesn't put him in the 'extremely vulnerable' category (he would be shielding for 12 weeks if it did), but it does class him as obese and, therefore, vulnerable. 


Those carrying a lot of extra weight seem to be more at risk of serious breathing difficulties.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


I know tailors can be good, but he looks like a ~30 to me? 

Saint Snow
06 April 2020 12:59:14


 


Maybe Trump should follow the same line.


Originally Posted by: westv 


 


Given the calibre of Trump's inner circle of advisers (the odious son-in-law... ffs), not convinced we'd see any improvement 


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