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westv
06 April 2020 16:15:44


I am not convinced with the updates on the PM.


 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Nor are any of the press it seems based on today's conference.


At least it will be mild!
Heavy Weather 2013
06 April 2020 16:16:13

Someone seriously needs to tell Peston to review how he asks questions.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Justin W
06 April 2020 16:18:01


 


Nor are any of the press it seems based on today's conference.


Originally Posted by: westv 


He is seriously ill. That is why Raab says the same thing over and over - "He had a comfortable night in hospital. He is in good spirits. He remains in charge".


It tells you nothing about his condition. If he was not in danger, they would say so. If he was recovering, they would say so.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
xioni2
06 April 2020 16:18:30
I don't understand the answer 'we cannot start preparing for the next stage until we are confident that at have reached the peak'. The preparation should start now even if they go into action in June, we shouldn't play catch up again!
Heavy Weather 2013
06 April 2020 16:19:20


 


He is seriously ill. That is why Raab says the same thing over and over - "He had a comfortable night in hospital. He is in good spirits. He remains in charge".


It tells you nothing about his condition. If he was not in danger, they would say so. If he was recovering, they would say so.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 

 


Your judgement is not far off the mark usually.  I agree - its very clear to me that all is not well.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Justin W
06 April 2020 16:19:55

I don't understand the answer 'we cannot start preparing for the next stage until we are confident that at have reached the peak'. The preparation should start now even if they go into action in June, we shouldn't play catch up again!

Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I can only surmise that HMG is planning to continue with regional and social lockdowns in the absence of a viable mass testing programme. If it made that plan (if that is what it is) public, I guess a lot of very frustrated people would become even more frustrated.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
xioni2
06 April 2020 16:22:04


I can only surmise that HMG is planning to continue with regional and social lockdowns in the absence of a viable mass testing programme. If it made that plan (if that is what it is) public, I guess a lot of very frustrated people would become even more frustrated.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


I hope you are wrong. My reading is that they still don't have a plan for the next stage.

Heavy Weather 2013
06 April 2020 16:23:47

Tom Newton Dunn's question was superb.


Rabb confirms that he spoke to Boris over the weekend and not today.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
westv
06 April 2020 16:24:22


 


Your judgement is not far off the mark usually.  I agree - its very clear to me that all is not well.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I think it's pretty clear to everybody that the Government are holding back on the facts about BJ. All governments are known for being lacking in providing full updates on their leaders when they are ill.


At least it will be mild!
Heavy Weather 2013
06 April 2020 16:26:37


 


I think it's pretty clear to everybody that the Government are holding back on the facts about BJ. All governments are known for being lacking in providing full updates on their leaders when they are ill.


Originally Posted by: westv 


Agreed. Based on this Press Conference there are going to be a lot of questions now. They have certainly not reassured me.


 


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Heavy Weather 2013
06 April 2020 16:29:42

Rabb: I last spoke to the PM on Saturday.


 


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Justin W
06 April 2020 16:30:34


Tom Newton Dunn's question was superb.


Rabb confirms that he spoke to Boris over the weekend and not today.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Yes - last spoke to him on Saturday. Incredible. The de facto Deputy PM has not spoken to the PM for 48 hours.


Very worrying development.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Gavin D
06 April 2020 16:36:05

Daily breakdown of the data from PHE


UK data 


Daily confirmed Cases - 3,082 -2,848 on yesterday


Total UK deaths - 5,373 (+439)


English data


Top 10 Local Authorities with the highest confirmed cases



  1. Birmingham: 1,287

  2. Hampshire: 921

  3. Surrey: 887

  4. Sheffield: 882

  5. Hertfordshire: 870

  6. Essex: 858

  7. Lancashire: 838

  8. Kent: 791

  9. Brent: 759

  10. Cumbria: 753


Local Authorities with the fewest confirmed cases



  • Rutland: 6 (No change)

  • Isle of Wight: 32 (No change)

  • Hartlepool: 33

  • Kingston upon Hull, City of: 38

  • North East Lincolnshire: 49

  • Darlington: 52

  • Torbay: 57

  • Peterborough: 61

  • North Lincolnshire: 62

  • Bath and North East Somerset: 66


Regional data



  • London - 12,636 (+2,389)            

  • Midlands - 7,385 (+1,848) 

  • North West - 5,549 (+723) 

  • North East and Yorkshire - 5,422 (+1,393) 

  • South East - 4,897 (+318) 

  • East of England - 3,402 (+252) 

  • South West - 1,976 (+149) 


All changes with yesterday. Data based up to 9am today for new cases and up to 5pm yesterday for new confirmed coronavirus deaths. Not all deaths occurred in the 24hr period.

Heavy Weather 2013
06 April 2020 16:37:12


Daily breakdown of the data from PHE


UK data 


Daily confirmed Cases - 3,082 -2,848 on yesterday


Total UK deaths - 5,373 (+439)


English data


Top 10 Local Authorities with the highest confirmed cases



  1. Birmingham: 1,287

  2. Hampshire: 921

  3. Surrey: 887

  4. Sheffield: 882

  5. Hertfordshire: 870

  6. Essex: 858

  7. Lancashire: 838

  8. Kent: 791

  9. Brent: 759

  10. Cumbria: 753


Local Authorities with the fewest confirmed cases



  • Rutland: 6 (No change)

  • Isle of Wight: 32 (No change)

  • Hartlepool: 33

  • Kingston upon Hull, City of: 38

  • North East Lincolnshire: 49

  • Darlington: 52

  • Torbay: 57

  • Peterborough: 61

  • North Lincolnshire: 62

  • Bath and North East Somerset: 66


Regional data



  • London - 12,636 (+2,389)            

  • Midlands - 7,385 (+1,848) 

  • North West - 5,549 (+723) 

  • North East and Yorkshire - 5,422 (+1,393) 

  • South East - 4,897 (+318) 

  • East of England - 3,402 (+252) 

  • South West - 1,976 (+149) 


All changes with yesterday. Data based up to 9am today for new cases and up to 5pm yesterday for new confirmed coronavirus deaths. Not all deaths occurred in the 24hr period.


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Those regional updates do tally with today's confirmed cases?


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Heavy Weather 2013
06 April 2020 16:38:32


 


Yes - last spoke to him on Saturday. Incredible. The de facto Deputy PM has not spoken to the PM for 48 hours.


Very worrying development.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


It's clear now that the PM is very unwell. Its astonishing that Rabb has not spoken to the PM.


Is this now a constitutional issue?


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
four
  • four
  • Advanced Member
06 April 2020 16:40:08


 


Those regional updates do tally with today's confirmed cases?


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Data released on Monday mainly relates to Sunday so some caution needed as even during this it won't be a normal working day.


David M Porter
06 April 2020 16:41:10


  Me too Joe!  I was in Singapore the same time as Gandalf. When we went on 22nd January, there was very little being said, or even known about it, there was little evidence of it in the Asian countries we visited either.  It wasn’t until we got home, on February 6th/7th, that we started to hear how far it had spread.


Yes, there were a couple on here who were saying in late January that it was going to get bad and they were right.  Although they also suggested Singapore was in lockdown, which it clearly wasn’t, so it looked like a case of gross exaggeration.  Nobody here had suggested closing borders at that time either, so I doubt even they thought it would get this bad!  


With hindsight, we could probably have done a lot more but I doubt anyone really believed just how serious this would get.  I still wonder if any of the measures any country has taken, is going to have any affect on the long term results. 


Anyway, we had planned to take another cruise this month as a bit of convalescence after hubby’s op, which he still hasn’t had.  We usually have three or four holidays a year but at least we got one!  Our daughter was due to go to Sicily in May, two of my brothers should have now been in Cyprus and two of my sisters and their families should be in a holiday cottage in Wales - all cancelled obviously.  The tourism industry is losing a lot!


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Hi Caz


While I take on board the points made above about how many people 2-3 months ago didn't have any real idea of how enormous and how serious the coronavirus outbreak would become, for me many of those doubts should have been removed when the virus reached Italy and then began wreaking hell in that country. It was pretty clear to me then at least that this virus was not going to be confined to China and the far east.


IIRC, by the time the first cases of COVID-19 were confirmed in England, the situation with the virus in Italy was gettng worse by the day. That was the time at which many western governments, including that of the UK, should have realised that what was developing was something that needed to be acted on and quickly.


This is only my opinion, but my fear is that the slow response by both the UK government and by many other western governments will lead to more people becoming seriously ill and more people sadly dying from this disease than might otherwise have been the case.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Quantum
06 April 2020 16:41:29


 


 


The recommendation to lay on your front is something I heard from someone dealing with patients in intensive care.


Breathing in more deeply means more oxygen reaches further into the lungs so that would also make sense. I'm not sure that it matters whether the cycle is five or slightly more, as long as you don't hyperventilate - which he mentioned getting the symptoms of in the video.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


If we are talking about unverified 'home solutions' one that I've heard (which I would appreciate some expert insight on) that sounds intuitively plausible. Is to open a window, cough facing the room and breath facing the window.


Apparantely it helps because it reduces the amount of viral matter that you are coughing up and then breathing even deeper into your lungs again.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Heavy Weather 2013
06 April 2020 16:41:52



Data released on Monday mainly relates to Sunday so some caution needed as even during this it won't be a normal working day.


Originally Posted by: four 


Yes, but here is the key text:


 All changes with yesterday. Data based up to 9am today for new cases and up to 5pm yesterday for new confirmed coronavirus deaths. Not all deaths occurred in the 24hr period.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
llamedos
06 April 2020 16:43:33


 


It's clear now that the PM is very unwell. Its astonishing that Rabb has not spoken to the PM.


Is this now a constitutional issue?


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

Why would it be?


"Life with the Lions"

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Quantum
06 April 2020 16:44:39


 


Tests results today were excluding NI - I wonder if that's having an impact?


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Won't explain it entirely. This is the biggest disparity between my model and the actual results since I last changed the basic parameters (i.e nothing to do with 3day periodicity, testing e.c.t.) which was weeks ago. Just to catch up to tommorow's result would require a huge big jump day. 


I'm honestly expecting to have to change my model parameters to tune the peak down its so low.


 


FYI the model is predicting 7754 cases tommorow (again assuming tests continue to increase)


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Heavy Weather 2013
06 April 2020 16:46:25


Why would it be?


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


I don't know, hence the question. It wasn't a statement.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Quantum
06 April 2020 16:47:21

Edit: it really won't be 7755. That assumes we get 17454 tests.


A linear increase in number of tests to achive 100k by the end of the month is starting to look inadequate.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
06 April 2020 16:49:02

Assuming the same number of tests as today the model is going for 5589 confirmed cases.


Still a big jump.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
llamedos
06 April 2020 16:52:56


 


I don't know, hence the question. It wasn't a statement.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

Fair enough, so the answer is No.


"Life with the Lions"

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