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Darren S
06 April 2020 16:53:19


 


Those regional updates do tally with today's confirmed cases?


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


The totals for all English regions are short of the England total (42,990).


The totals for the local authorities in each region don't tally with the region total (e.g. North West has 5,549 cases, but I added up the cases in each LA and came up with 5,831).


Essentially the data is all over the place. Not sure why! 


Darren
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South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
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Heavy Weather 2013
06 April 2020 16:56:18


Fair enough, so the answer is No.


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


Thank you.


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Brian Gaze
06 April 2020 16:58:20

What does this mean?


Whitty says he is “very confident” that the UK will develop antibody tests “over the next period”.


 


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Retron
06 April 2020 16:59:59


What does this mean?


Whitty says he is “very confident” that the UK will develop antibody tests “over the next period”.


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


The next period of lockdown? (This one was going to potentially end over Easter, but of course that won't be happening)


I guess that'd be another 3 weeks, so 4 weeks from now?


Leysdown, north Kent
Brian Gaze
06 April 2020 17:01:59


 


The next period of lockdown? (This one was going to potentially end over Easter, but of course that won't be happening)


I guess that'd be another 3 weeks, so 4 weeks from now?


Originally Posted by: Retron 


 Yes that makes sense and would more or less fit in with the "month away" which the Times was talking about this morning. I assume the same is true globally.


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llamedos
06 April 2020 17:11:51


 


 Yes that makes sense and would more or less fit in with the "month away" which the Times was talking about this morning. I assume the same is true globally.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Which in turns suggests that unless identifiable new cases, hospitalisations and death rates fall to a trickle, if not the same then some fairly strict level of restrictions will almost certainly rollover into a third month 


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xioni2
06 April 2020 17:27:03


Updated chart for daily deaths. 


UK peak remains 708. Total today 439.


 


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Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


The weekend effect on Sunday/Monday's reporting looks quite pronounced on this graph.

Darren S
06 April 2020 17:27:35


Regional data



  • London - 12,636 (+2,389)            

  • Midlands - 7,385 (+1,848) 

  • North West - 5,549 (+723) 

  • North East and Yorkshire - 5,422 (+1,393) 

  • South East - 4,897 (+318) 

  • East of England - 3,402 (+252) 

  • South West - 1,976 (+149) 


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


There is an Excel download facility on the bottom right of the Government dashboard, which shows the above is a load of rubbish. This is what the data should be:


Regional data



  • London - 12,636 (+658)            

  • Midlands - 7,443 (+510) 

  • North West - 5,831 (+732) 

  • North East and Yorkshire - 5,086 (+443) 

  • South East - 5,084 (+352) 

  • East of England - 3,214 (+225) 

  • South West - 1,973 (+294) 

  • Unknown - 1,723 (-38)


Some of the discrepancies could be due to the allocation of previously unknown location cases.


Darren
Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)
South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
John p
06 April 2020 17:30:04


 


The weekend effect on Sunday/Monday's reporting looks quite pronounced on this graph.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Do other countries have this problem with weekend data.  You’d think during a pandemic they’d get some extra admin staff working weekends.


Camberley, Surrey
Gavin D
06 April 2020 17:32:14
France have reported 5,171 new cases and 833 new deaths

29,722 are in hospital in France. 7,072 are currently in intensive care +478 on yesterday
Caz
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06 April 2020 17:39:52


 


Hi Caz


While I take on board the points made above about how many people 2-3 months ago didn't have any real idea of how enormous and how serious the coronavirus outbreak would become, for me many of those doubts should have been removed when the virus reached Italy and then began wreaking hell in that country. It was pretty clear to me then at least that this virus was not going to be confined to China and the far east.


IIRC, by the time the first cases of COVID-19 were confirmed in England, the situation with the virus in Italy was gettng worse by the day. That was the time at which many western governments, including that of the UK, should have realised that what was developing was something that needed to be acted on and quickly.


This is only my opinion, but my fear is that the slow response by both the UK government and by many other western governments will lead to more people becoming seriously ill and more people sadly dying from this disease than might otherwise have been the case.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

Hi David.  I’m pretty sure the first cases in England and Scotland were confirmed in January, at which time nobody imagined it would be this bad. Then the problem in Italy was obvious in early March, when people returned from skiing during February half term.  We are two weeks behind Italy. I honestly think whatever we or any other country did we wouldn’t have stopped it.  Our approach is not to stop it but to slow down the spread so we don’t overwhelm the NHS and we can save as many lives as possible.


Hopefully, we will start to see our measures working in the next week or so., as it seems Italy is now starting to see.  


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Gavin D
06 April 2020 17:40:20


 


There is an Excel download facility on the bottom right of the Government dashboard, which shows the above is a load of rubbish. This is what the data should be:


Regional data



  • London - 12,636 (+658)            

  • Midlands - 7,443 (+510) 

  • North West - 5,831 (+732) 

  • North East and Yorkshire - 5,086 (+443) 

  • South East - 5,084 (+352) 

  • East of England - 3,214 (+225) 

  • South West - 1,973 (+294) 

  • Unknown - 1,723 (-38)


Some of the discrepancies could be due to the allocation of previously unknown location cases.


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


 


All I get via the Access historic data from the dashboard (xlsx) is the below


https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14  All data are as published on the day and have not been updated or revised.

Darren S
06 April 2020 17:43:19


 


 


All I get via the Access historic data from the dashboard (xlsx) is the below


https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14  All data are as published on the day and have not been updated or revised.


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


That's the first of 7 tabs. The data is on the others. Do you have Excel installed?


Darren
Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)
South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
xioni2
06 April 2020 17:45:30


 Do other countries have this problem with weekend data.  You’d think during a pandemic they’d get some extra admin staff working weekends.


Originally Posted by: John p 


I don't know, but I imagine there would be other countries too with this admin effect. It's another reason why a moving average is better. 

Ulric
06 April 2020 17:46:45


 


Do other countries have this problem with weekend data.  You’d think during a pandemic they’d get some extra admin staff working weekends.


Originally Posted by: John p 


Well, British workers are amongst the worst idlers in the world.



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Gavin D
06 April 2020 17:47:21


 


That's the first of 7 tabs. The data is on the others. Do you have Excel installed?


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


 


I don't use Excel far too expensive.

Gavin D
06 April 2020 17:51:25


 


 


I don't use Excel far too expensive.


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


 


Sussed out how to do it for free

Gavin D
06 April 2020 18:06:17
Austria are going to start reopening shops next week

fairweather
06 April 2020 18:10:54


I don’t know whether they actually gave a reason for banning non-essential travel but RTC reduction would be a good reason. I think the response was to those flocking to second homes in tourist hotspots, where facilities such as emergency services would be stretched further.  They closed down caravan parks for that reason.


As you say, she wasn’t breaking social distancing rules, but the same could be said for other activities that have had to stop, such as going fishing.  There will be circumstances where the ban isn’t necessary for social distancing, but it would be hard to separate them and there’d be those abusing it. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


I think you are right. A bit of a case where there are some naughty ones so we all get the detention!


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Maunder Minimum
06 April 2020 18:10:58


 


Hi Caz


While I take on board the points made above about how many people 2-3 months ago didn't have any real idea of how enormous and how serious the coronavirus outbreak would become, for me many of those doubts should have been removed when the virus reached Italy and then began wreaking hell in that country. It was pretty clear to me then at least that this virus was not going to be confined to China and the far east.


IIRC, by the time the first cases of COVID-19 were confirmed in England, the situation with the virus in Italy was gettng worse by the day. That was the time at which many western governments, including that of the UK, should have realised that what was developing was something that needed to be acted on and quickly.


This is only my opinion, but my fear is that the slow response by both the UK government and by many other western governments will lead to more people becoming seriously ill and more people sadly dying from this disease than might otherwise have been the case.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Absolutely correct - it was a dereliction of duty not to have closed borders to hotspots like Lombardy, to cancel people's skiing holidays and take firm control of our borders. Whatever Gandalf may say, closing borders works, especially if combined with port screening and mandatory quarantine for those who do arrive.


Anyhow, we are now betweem Scylla and Chaybdis - either we completely trash the economy, or we ease up on the lockdown.


Interesting article here:


https://capx.co/on-coronavirus-economists-think-differently-to-the-common-sense-crowd/?omhide=true&utm_source=CapX+briefing&utm_campaign=c948a4efe9-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_07_17_COPY_02&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b5017135a0-c948a4efe9-241906557


"...


Now, as it happens, most economists have agreed with the “common-sense” view on the strong case for near-term lockdowns so far. The epidemiological modeling implies a risk of terrible loss of life from weak early action – an unbearable cost. With high uncertainty still about how the virus transmits, the number of people already infected, and the strain on healthcare capacity, the case for precautionary action was strong. So aggressive action would pass most ordinary cost-benefit tests, in the short-term, despite the huge economic and social costs.


But such consensus will likely prove short-lived, because economists think (or at least should think) at the margin. Full lockdowns are incredibly crude, banning much low-risk activity alongside high-risk activity. Economists don’t think in terms of “essential” vs. “non-essential” but in terms of benefits, costs, and risks. So if a form of retail brings large economic benefits at a tiny elevated risk of infection, we’d relax restrictions on it, despite it marginally worsening health outcomes.


What’s more, the longer lockdowns go on, the more the income losses for businesses and households turn into bankruptcies and defaults, risking a depression. So economists recognise that the costs and benefits of policy will change over time. They will look for ways of maintaining low health risks but at lower economic and social cost than crude shutdowns, recognising this balance changes as the pandemic evolves.


Indeed, once the transmission rate has been brought down and more people recover from the virus, the calculations could change drastically. If I were one of the last 50 people in the whole country to have not yet been infected, I would not expect a destructive national lockdown to protect me. So, clearly, there comes a point when it’s better to relax things from an economic welfare perspective. That could come much sooner than we think."


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06 April 2020 18:10:58

France have reported 5,171 new cases and 833 new deaths

29,722 are in hospital in France. 7,072 are currently in intensive care +478 on yesterday

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


That's a big jump from yesterday's 2886 new cases and 518 new deaths (data according to Worldometers)


Hopefully it's the result of a lagging reporting issue over the weekend.


It reinforces the fact that you can't take one day's numbers in isolation as an indicator of trend.


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
fairweather
06 April 2020 18:14:32


 


Twitter seems to outperform as usual. Doesn't take long to find it on any of the Boris hashtags.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Absolutely right. Nobody should post the hate stuff. Of course many of those condemning anti-Boris now are those who were happily being racist to people during Brexit. A lot of double standards.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
06 April 2020 18:19:21





There has been a big publicity campaign, especially in Scotland, telling people NOT to visit their holiday homes.  Mainly because the influx of people into areas of (normally) lower population not only risks the spread of the virus but may also put more pressure on limited medical resources in remoter areas.

It has been a very clear message.

The Scottish CMO blatantly disregarded it.

If she can drive to her holiday home to spend the night there (for no valid reason whatsoever), why can't I?   I'm just packing now.  Can't wait to get back into the Highlands


Originally Posted by: Essan 


That seems like a good enough reason and I'm glad it was made clear. Thank you for letting me have more details. I don't like to see people hounded at of jobs for no good reason but perhaps this was reason enough.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
06 April 2020 18:26:20


 


 


I think I'm going to have to reschedule our trip to Spain in early July, but this isn't a major issue as we can go in October becauseit'sa long weekendto visit friends (who are back in the UK indefinitely anyway). 


It's losing the main holiday in Vendee in July/August that's p*ssing me off most, though.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I have a holiday bookrd in inland Spain in mid September. I have completely written it off. Not a hope in hell of getting to Spain, maybe for two years, maybe more. Any Country that has been through what Spain has and gets clear will not open its borders until it is virtually eliminated worldwide either by herd immunity or vaccination. Maybe they will for business but holiday makers from around the World? I can't see it. India and Africa have got to get through this yet. How long will that take?


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
06 April 2020 18:28:22


 


I wouldn't be surprised if there's hardly any foreign holidays this year. We normally have two - the second being Sept/Oct time but I'm prepared to have to wait until 2021 now if I have to.


That sounds like there are at least three of us on TWO who were originally expecting to go to Spain this year.


Originally Posted by: westv 


Make that 4 ! September me,  but I say not a chance in hell.


S.Essex, 42m ASL

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