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Heavy Weather 2013
08 April 2020 08:58:09
Regarding the PM. If he comes out of Intensive care today that is great news.

If he remains there overnight again, I think that things are not all they seem and his condition is far worse.

Let’s see.
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Heavy Weather 2013
08 April 2020 08:59:06


 


Zero chance.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Agreed. This unnamed minister is a consequence of the power vacuum at the top of government.

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
The Beast from the East
08 April 2020 09:01:21



Do you have a link for that?


Originally Posted by: John p 


Its just from comments to posts, rather than someone willing to put it out there officially yet

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Brian Gaze
08 April 2020 09:01:27

Regarding the PM. If he comes out of Intensive care today that is great news.

If he remains there overnight again, I think that things are not all they seem and his condition is far worse.

Let’s see.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


The Times says that his temperature was beginning to normalise last night. I doubt they would go into print if there wasn't evidence to support the claim.

Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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Retron
08 April 2020 09:01:46


 


Agreed. This unnamed minister is a consequence of the power vacuum at the top of government.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Ministers, apparently. Deluded, nonetheless!


"Nevertheless some cabinet ministers believe that there is a growing case for reopening schools in a fortnight, after the Easter holidays.


A study by University College London found that school closures had a relatively small impact on the spread of coronavirus and should be weighed against the economic and social costs. “We need to be led by the science, of course. But if we can reopen schools after the Easter holidays things could begin to get back to normal. It could kick-start the economy,” a senior minister said. Downing Street did not respond directly to questions about the study and instead said that it would be “guided by the science”."

Leysdown, north Kent
doctormog
08 April 2020 09:01:56


 


My understanding, and I might be wrong on this, is that short duration of immunity and the low likelihood of an effective vaccine were due to the mutation rate of the virus? Do we know the mutation rate?


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


From what I have read the suggestions at this (very) early stage seem to be that it is mutating at a rate slower than the seasonal flu.

Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
Phil G
08 April 2020 09:02:47


 


Zero chance.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Everything is being led by the data. Until that improves somewhat, there will not be any relaxing of restrictions and it doesn't need Boris at the moment to make a call on that. 

John p
08 April 2020 09:03:13


According to The Times the government is seriously looking at reopening schools immediately after the Easter Holiday. On the other hand I've just seen the comments from Sadiq Khan. The government will presumably need to make a statement very soon and at the very least say they the lockdown remains in place and unchanged for the whole of next week.  


The UK is nowhere near ready to lift the lockdown measures it put in place to tackle the spread of Covid-19, London’s mayor Sadiq Khan has said.


Prime minister Boris Johnson, who is currently in intensive care after his coronavirus symptoms worsened, imposed the measures on March 23, saying that they would be reviewed after three weeks.


With the date approaching, Khan told the BBC on Wednesday: “I think we are nowhere near lifting the lockdown.


“We think the peak, which is the worst part of the virus, is still probably a week and a half away.”


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/08/coronavirus-live-news-us-trump-threatens-who-funding-uk-boris-johnson-global-cases-latest-updates


 


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


They're basing this on some very questionable analysis of the UCL report by the media. I hope to God someone from UCL speaks to the government directly. 
The report states if schools are open, they should adhere to existing social distancing guidelines (2 metres apart).


Anyone that knows about schools, knows this is impossible!

Camberley, Surrey
Brian Gaze
08 April 2020 09:04:01

I know there has been a lot of talk about borders, migrants and herd immunity in recent weeks. Put the three things together and what will be the outcome? Perhaps the first population groups to achieve "herd immunity" will be those in refuge camps where there is no serious effort to control the spread. It could have interesting implications.

Brian Gaze
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Brian Gaze
08 April 2020 09:04:59


 


They're basing this on some very questionable analysis of the UCL report by the media. I hope to God someone from UCL speaks to the government directly. 
The report states if schools are open, they should adhere to existing social distancing guidelines (2 metres apart).


Anyone that knows about schools, knows this is impossible!


Originally Posted by: John p 


Well it may be possible at Eaton. 

Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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doctormog
08 April 2020 09:06:05


 


Ministers, apparently. Deluded, nonetheless!


"Nevertheless some cabinet ministers believe that there is a growing case for reopening schools in a fortnight, after the Easter holidays.


A study by University College London found that school closures had a relatively small impact on the spread of coronavirus and should be weighed against the economic and social costs. “We need to be led by the science, of course. But if we can reopen schools after the Easter holidays things could begin to get back to normal. It could kick-start the economy,” a senior minister said. Downing Street did not respond directly to questions about the study and instead said that it would be “guided by the science”."


Originally Posted by: Retron 


If they are being guided by the science or indeed common sense then schools will remain closed after the Easter holidays.


The biggest joke of that study is the suggestion of social distancing in schools. That’s the problem if you have a group of academics far removed from everyday reality. The science may be evidence-based (although even in this case that is a little questionable)  but the practicalities may be completely unworkable. A small classroom with 30 young children, 2 metres apart? Don’t make me laugh.

Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
John p
08 April 2020 09:06:16


 


The Times says that his temperature was beginning to normalise last night. I doubt they would go into print if there wasn't evidence to support the claim.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I wonder who at St Thomas’s is breaching patient confidentiality and feeding the Times?


nb a lowering of the temperature doesn’t automatically imply any issues with his respiratory system are improving. 

Camberley, Surrey
xioni2
08 April 2020 09:07:02


I know there has been a lot of talk about borders, migrants and herd immunity in recent weeks. Put the three things together and what will be the outcome? Perhaps the first population groups to achieve "herd immunity" will be those in refuge camps where there is no serious effort to control the spread. It could have interesting implications.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


That was the thinking in Greece too, but so far they have found very few cases in the camps.

Justin W
08 April 2020 09:08:59


 


I wonder who at St Thomas’s is breaching patient confidentiality and feeding the Times?


nb a lowering of the temperature doesn’t automatically imply any issues with his respiratory system are improving. 


Originally Posted by: John p 


Surely it implies though that his immune system is not going into overdrive?

Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
John p
08 April 2020 09:11:03
Reuters Special Report
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN21P1VF 

Whitty and Valance do not come out favourably at all.
Camberley, Surrey
NickR
08 April 2020 09:19:12


 


The Times says that his temperature was beginning to normalise last night. I doubt they would go into print if there wasn't evidence to support the claim.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Temperature coming down during the worse respiratory period is far from uncommon.In itself it's meaningless.

Nick
Durham
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nouska
08 April 2020 09:19:21


 


The suggestion that immunity is only for a few months is (and I will be polite) premature. The evidence will not be available to support such an assertion, unless I am missing something.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Pre-print warning.


The titer is highly variable.


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047365v1.full.pdf

SJV
08 April 2020 09:23:54


 


If they are being guided by the science or indeed common sense then schools will remain closed after the Easter holidays.


The biggest joke of that study is the suggestion of social distancing in schools. That’s the problem if you have a group of academics far removed from everyday reality. The science may be evidence-based (although even in this case that is a little questionable)  but the practicalities may be completely unworkable. A small classroom with 30 young children, 2 metres apart? Don’t make me laugh.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Yes it's complete twaddle! 😅

llamedos
08 April 2020 09:23:58

From the Guardian, a story about another "charming" individual 


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/07/derbyshire-mayor-apologises-for-saying-johnson-deserves-coronavirus

"Life with the Lions"

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Northern Sky
08 April 2020 09:24:20


 


Temperature coming down during the worse respiratory period is far from uncommon.In itself it's meaningless.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


I've heard a rumour that Boris will be leaving the ICU today - from someone who claims to have a contact at the hospital. Hopefully this is true.

xioni2
08 April 2020 09:24:24


 If they are being guided by the science or indeed common sense then schools will remain closed after the Easter holidays.


The biggest joke of that study is the suggestion of social distancing in schools. That’s the problem if you have a group of academics far removed from everyday reality. 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Exactly my thinking too. Several of recent modelling studies have been embarrassing to say the least.

Brian Gaze
08 April 2020 09:25:14

Reuters Special Report
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN21P1VF

Whitty and Valance do not come out favourably at all.


Originally Posted by: John p 


This made me laugh out loud. Must be a first for him. 


Ferguson did not respond to a request to be interviewed for this article.


 

Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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xioni2
08 April 2020 09:27:55

Reuters Special Report
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN21P1VF

Whitty and Valance do not come out favourably at all.

Originally Posted by: John p 


The following is pretty damning:


"Interviews and records published so far suggest that the scientific committees that advised Johnson didn't study, until mid-March, the option of the kind of stringent lockdown adopted early on in China, where the disease arose in December, and then followed by much of Europe and finally by Britain itself. The scientists' reasoning: Britons, many of them assumed, simply wouldn't accept such restrictions.


The UK scientists were also mostly convinced - and many still are - that, once the new virus escaped China, quarantine measures would likely not succeed. Minutes of technical committees reviewed by Reuters indicate that almost no attention was paid to preparing a programme of mass testing. Other minutes and interviews show Britain was following closely a well-laid plan to fight a flu pandemic - not this deadlier disease. The scientists involved, however, deny that the flu focus ultimately made much difference."

llamedos
08 April 2020 09:29:30


 


Temperature coming down during the worse respiratory period is far from uncommon.In itself it's meaningless.


Originally Posted by: NickR 

I always thought that a high temperature(fever) was an indication that the immune system was functioning properly, so would have assumed that if the temperature is coming down to normal levels that it had completed it's task, unless I suppose it's malfunctioning? 

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Justin W
08 April 2020 09:30:18

Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?

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