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llamedos
12 April 2020 14:19:40

That’s actually an excellent speech from Boris, he’s clearly been humbled by the treatment he’s received.

Originally Posted by: John p 

There's no denying that IMO, although no doubt there will be many that put a spin on it. 


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Brian Gaze
12 April 2020 14:20:36

 Great to see Boris looking so well. He doesn't appear to have lost too much weight which is something of a surprise. However, I'll throw a spanner in the works and say I found the speech to be nauseous at times.


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John p
12 April 2020 14:25:54


 Great to see Boris looking so well. He doesn't appear to have lost too much weight which is something of a surprise. However, I'll throw a spanner in the works and say I found the speech to be nauseous at times.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I’m no fan, cynical as they come and found a lot of the news released during his stay slightly dubious , but I couldn’t find a problem with today’s speech?


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fairweather
12 April 2020 14:27:17


Boris has posted a video thanking the NHS for saving his life 


 




Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Can't fault his speech which I thought was excellent given what he's been through but sadly it bears no resemblance to the care my 90 year old neighbour received just before the lockdown. He died of hospital acquired sepsis in a side ward with no visitors. He was left alone for most of the time before that. Nobody ever sat with him and he was stressed because he just couldn't understand what many of the nurses were saying to him. Like me, he made it clear he wasn't racist, but he found it very frustrating. He said he often had to wait an hour after pressing his buzzer when he wanted to go to the toilet. He was missing the TLC that only I and his niece could give him. He lost that after the lockdown and died a week later.


I would expect the Prime Minister to get preferential treatment, especially in a top teaching hospital, but I'm afraid not everybody will get the Utopian care that Boris received.


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John p
12 April 2020 14:28:46


 


Can't fault his speech which I thought was excellent given what he's been through but sadly it bears no resemblance to the care my 90 year old neighbour received just before the lockdown. He died of hospital acquired sepsis in a side ward with no visitors. He was left alone for most of the time before that. Nobody ever sat with him and he was stressed because he just couldn't understand what many of the nurses were saying to him. Like me, he made it clear he wasn't racist, but he found it very frustrating. He said he often had to wait an hour after pressing his buzzer when he wanted to go to the toilet. He was missing the TLC that only I and his niece could give him. He lost that after the lockdown and died a week later.


I would expect the Prime Minister to get preferential treatment, especially in a top teaching hospital, but I'm afraid not everybody will get the Utopian care that Boris received.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


That’s a very good point and probably what Brian was referring to. 


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David M Porter
12 April 2020 14:28:48


That’s not quite true David. When I arrived back from Asia in early February, there was already advice about self isolating for 14 days. My daughter was in hospital and I wasn’t allowed to visit her as hospitals had stopped any access to people who had returned from certain countries, or anyone who had been in contact with those recently returning.  


By mid February there were Coronavirus pods outside hospitals and advice to ring 111 if you were presenting symptoms.  So they were well aware of the dangers outside Asia and had begun measures.  However, it soon became clear the virus had already spread, even before the February half term holiday when people went skiing in Italy!  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Hi Caz


Firstly, I am sorry to hear that your daughter was in hospital a couple of months ago. I hope she has recovered now.


My own recollection is that the government only went more public about it in the early days of March. I recall seeing a news conference at Downing Street with BJ, Chris Witty and Patrick Vallance on the news in which one of them stated they felt there was likely to be a significant outbreak od Covid-19 in the UK, or words to that effect. Prior to this point, I hadn't really been concerned about the disease at all and had assumed that the government would have had things under control so that if it did arrive here (it did in late January), there would be a minimal effect on this country.


With hindsight, allowing people to travel to Italy back in mid-February was a mistake for sure. I also think that many sports events should have been suspended or cancelled a while before they eventually were. Responsibility for sports though lies with the governing bodies for those sports first and foremost. The Liverpool v Athletico Madrid CL match just before mid-March should never have taken place for example, and Brian has already mentioned the Cheltenham Festival. Quite possibly, the Six Nations rugby union competition should have been halted an an earlier time as well.


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12 April 2020 14:29:29

That’s actually an excellent speech from Boris, he’s clearly been humbled by the treatment he’s received.

Originally Posted by: John p 

I agree!  It was from the heart and sent a shiver down my spine!  He’s obviously had a scare. Glad to see him back!  


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JHutch
12 April 2020 14:30:20


 


I’m no fan, cynical as they come and found a lot of the news released during his stay slightly dubious , but I couldn’t find a problem with today’s speech?


Originally Posted by: John p 


Me neither actually although it will be interesting to see where he goes from here. Will he apologise for putting so many NHS workers into extra harm by being slow with the lockdown? I know that some people on here brush aside NHS workers dying/being on a ventilator as just people bickering but i don't. Have wondered if he may be a changed person/have a different outlook from here on.

fairweather
12 April 2020 14:35:52


 Great to see Boris looking so well. He doesn't appear to have lost too much weight which is something of a surprise. However, I'll throw a spanner in the works and say I found the speech to be nauseous at times.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Perhaps like me, you have seen some less glorious treatment of the elderly in particular, during their stay in a provincial hospital?


I don' t blame the NHS but the fact remains for a variety of reasons including training, working practices, staffing levels, supervision and monitoring and no doubt funding in some areas it's not as perfect as Boris is saying. 


Better chance of things improving from now on though I think.


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12 April 2020 14:39:40

Another 5.2K positives tests. While it’s steady it’s still high. A worry.


There were 737 reported deaths. Slightly higher than reported earlier.


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Bugglesgate
12 April 2020 14:40:23

I'm a cynical b'stard  and far from being a Tory,  but I can't fault Boris's speech.


Glad he made it through


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David M Porter
12 April 2020 14:41:36


I'm a cynical b'stard  and far from being a Tory,  but I can't fault Boris's speech.


Glad he made it through


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


Yes, same here.


Hope he is back to 100% strength soon.


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Gavin D
12 April 2020 14:42:23
5,288 positive tests to 9am with 12,776 tested

This is up from 5,234 yesterday and 12,993 tested
Joe Bloggs
12 April 2020 14:42:52


 


I can tell you now, hardly anyone in my area seems to care about the social distancing rule. The two times I've been to the shop this week (including last night) hardly anyone passes you at more than 2m. In fact I've had people brush past my elbow several times. Not only that but there's people who still don't cover their mouths when they cough and pick up items to maul them before putting them down again.


The way people are behaving, I'm really not surprised to see the UK heading for the worst figures in Europe. But these will be the same people who will still blame the government for literally everything, without even giving a thought for their own idiocy.


Originally Posted by: Bolty 


I really don’t think it’s the behaviour of the British public which is leading us to the worst death rate in Europe. 


I think we need to call that lie out as soon as it attempts to surface, as it will probably surface a lot. 



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Gavin D
12 April 2020 14:48:16

The University Hospitals Birmingham NHS Foundation Trust has become the first in the UK to record over 400 deaths from Covid-19 as of 5pm on Saturday they had recorded 404 deaths.


4 more trust have between 200 & 300 Covid-19 deaths



  • London North West University Healthcare NHS Trust (272)

  • Royal Free London NHS Foundation Trust (267)

  • King’s College Hospital NHS Foundation Trust (237)

  • Barts Health NHS Trust (230)

Joe Bloggs
12 April 2020 14:48:36


 


Whatever your views might be, I think this is a nice kind post. Thank you.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Thank you for saying that. 🙂 Hope Easter Sunday is treating you well. 



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Bolty
12 April 2020 14:49:36


 


I really don’t think it’s the behaviour of the British public which is leading us to the worst death rate in Europe. 


I think we need to call that lie out as soon as it attempts to surface, as it will probably surface a lot. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


It's certainly playing a role. I definitely blame HMG for their complacency early on. They wasted valuable time when they should have stopped flights from Italy and China when those cases took off. Their reluctance to call the lockdown was also utterly reckless.


However the idiots that are out flouting the rules also need to pinned with a fair amount of blame for this. That includes both those who are going out when they shouldn't be, and the people who still don't understand what social distancing means. To give them an easy ride and pin the whole blame on HMG would be ill-deserved.


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Brian Gaze
12 April 2020 14:49:39


 


Perhaps like me, you have seen some less glorious treatment of the elderly in particular, during their stay in a provincial hospital?


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


I have seen some horrific treatment of the elderly on the NHS. I've also experienced incompetence as well as forced into the private sector myself.  


Also, I detest the term "our NHS" which he uses twice I think. Whilst I fully support universal healthcare I see social insurance as a much better model than a centralised monolith which is what we have. 


Finally, he talks about the battle which the country is fighting and will be victorious in. Or words to that effect. The truth is if he'd embraced lockdown earlier we probably wouldn't now be in the running to have Europe's "worst corona virus death rate". 


I am delighted for Boris and his loved ones.  However, I continue to think the government he leads has handled the corona virus epidemic poorly. Obviously my view won't be a popular one but that is tough! I pay the bills around here. 


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Joe Bloggs
12 April 2020 14:53:27


 


It's certainly playing a role. I definitely blame HMG for their complacency early on. They wasted valuable time when they should have stopped flights from Italy and China when those cases took off. Their reluctance to call the lockdown was also utterly reckless.


However the idiots that are out flouting the rules also need to pinned with a fair amount of blame for this. That includes both those who are going out when they shouldn't be, and the people who still don't understand what social distancing means. To give them an easy ride and pin the whole blame on HMG would be ill-deserved.


Originally Posted by: Bolty 


There are idiots around, and like I said I uncharacteristically shouted at some strangers on Friday, who clearly don’t understand what social distancing means.


However, beware of blaming this ongoing health catastrophe on the British public. In my view that’s both misguided and insulting. 



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12 April 2020 15:01:40


 


Hi Caz


Firstly, I am sorry to hear that your daughter was in hospital a couple of months ago. I hope she has recovered now.


My own recollection is that the government only went more public about it in the early days of March. I recall seeing a news conference at Downing Street with BJ, Chris Witty and Patrick Vallance on the news in which one of them stated they felt there was likely to be a significant outbreak od Covid-19 in the UK, or words to that effect. Prior to this point, I hadn't really been concerned about the disease at all and had assumed that the government would have had things under control so that if it did arrive here (it did in late January), there would be a minimal effect on this country.


With hindsight, allowing people to travel to Italy back in mid-February was a mistake for sure. I also think that many sports events should have been suspended or cancelled a while before they eventually were. Responsibility for sports though lies with the governing bodies for those sports first and foremost. The Liverpool v Athletico Madrid CL match just before mid-March should never have taken place for example, and Brian has already mentioned the Cheltenham Festival. Quite possibly, the Six Nations rugby union competition should have been halted an an earlier time as well.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

My daughter’s fine thanks.  She has a condition similar to yours and had a flare up, which you’ll understand.  


Maybe the reason you’re not familiar with the timeline and what was being done, is that it was less relevant to you then and nobody ever expected it to get this bad.  On the other hand, it was personal to me, having been cruising round Asia.  So I was watching developments and was very much aware as it was relevant to me, having to spend 14 days self isolating in mid February.  


Also, my husband was due for an operation in late February but it was postponed due to the hospital making resources available for possible Covid patients.  So I was very much aware that HMG were taking action then.  You probably only took note following the first cobra meeting in early March but the fact it didn’t concern you before that, doesn’t mean nothing was being done.  I can assure you it was.


Yes, I agree that people going to Italy in mid February wasn’t wise and some later events should not have gone ahead but it’s too late to change that now.  We can only move forward now because regrets solve nothing. 


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llamedos
12 April 2020 15:02:08


 


I have seen some horrific treatment of the elderly on the NHS. I've also experienced incompetence as well as being forced into the private sector myself.  


Also, I detest the term "our NHS" which he uses twice I think. Whilst I fully support universal healthcare I see social insurance as a much better model than a centralised monolith which is what we have. 


Finally, he talks about the battle which the country is fighting and will be victorious in. Or words to that effect. The truth is if he'd embraced lockdown earlier we probably wouldn't now be in the running to have Europe's "worst corona virus death rate". 


I am delighted for Boris and his loved ones.  However, I continue to think the government he leads has handled the corona virus epidemic poorly. Obviously my view won't be a popular one but that is tough! I pay the bills around here. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

The flip side is there are many success stories with NHS treatment, but clearly this time there just isn't the capacity.


As you say you pay the bills.


PS. I've just been seeing if I can suspend you  


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David M Porter
12 April 2020 15:04:36


 


I have seen some horrific treatment of the elderly on the NHS. I've also experienced incompetence as well as being forced into the private sector myself.  


Also, I detest the term "our NHS" which he uses twice I think. Whilst I fully support universal healthcare I see social insurance as a much better model than a centralised monolith which is what we have. 


Finally, he talks about the battle which the country is fighting and will be victorious in. Or words to that effect. The truth is if he'd embraced lockdown earlier we probably wouldn't now be in the running to have Europe's "worst corona virus death rate". 


I am delighted for Boris and his loved ones.  However, I continue to think the government he leads has handled the corona virus epidemic poorly. Obviously my view won't be a popular one but that is tough! I pay the bills around here. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I agree with you 100%, Brian.


Like everyone, I am delighted that Boris seems to have recovered and is now returning home. His fiance and family must have been beside themselves with worry for a time last week when his condition was at its worst.


One thing is for sure now though, and that is if Boris and the others in his government were under any illusions a couple of months ago about how dangerous Covid-19 is, he and they will not be under any now. What Boris has just endured plus the fact that his Health Secretary, communications chief and Chris Witty all tested positive, not to mention the many, many deaths there have been from it only IMO serves to highlight why Prof John Ashton was so annoyed with the government's initial response a month ago.


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springsunshine
12 April 2020 15:07:37


Yes, they did!  They took no measures to stop the spread until lockdown!


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Very true and I agree there must have been an awful lot of contagion being spread in them pre lockdown and imo even now there are far far too many people in any one store at any given time for social distancing to be of any protection.Yes we have to eat but at what price and what risks we are having to endure to do so. Iam doing more and more shopping at the small local shops which most times only have 1 other person in and often im the only one and I feel much safer!

Rob K
12 April 2020 15:07:39


Kent Online have posted this picture of the M25 earlier today - one for the history books!



Originally Posted by: Retron 


Surely they could have waited a minute or two and got it totally empty?


I have to admit I have just got back from breaking the rules: put my 2-year-old in the car and went out for a 10-minute drive around the local streets which was enough to get him to sleep. Peace reigns at last. 


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12 April 2020 15:13:10


 


Surely they could have waited a minute or two and got it totally empty?


I have to admit I have just got back from breaking the rules: put my 2-year-old in the car and went out for a 10-minute drive around the local streets which was enough to get him to sleep. Peace reigns at last. 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 

  Oh!  I feel your pain and I think you can be excused!  We’ve had plenty of that and although it was 30 years ago, I remember it well!


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