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Brian Gaze
12 April 2020 16:31:53



If there wasn't incompetence in the NHS then they must all be at the very least demigods.   They are not.  So, what do you expect?  


Originally Posted by: Essan 


I have documented the failings I have experienced with the NHS before on this forum. This isn't the thread to repeat them. 


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Gooner
12 April 2020 17:24:29

How have Spain done today


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Caz
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12 April 2020 17:26:44


 


The fall in hospital bed admissions sounds positive assuming all the data was included - I think it was.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Yes, I think now they’re testing keyworkers as well, it’ll be the hospital admissions number that gives the clearest picture. 


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Retron
12 April 2020 17:35:56


How have Spain done today


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


From the Tele:




6:03PM

Spanish death toll rises by 619





Spain is "far from victory" in its fight against the coronavirus, Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez has warned, as the country's death toll from the pandemic rose again after falling for three days in a row.


The nation registered 619 new deaths in the last 24 hours from Covid-19, bringing the death toll to 16,972, the health ministry said, the highest in the world after the United States and Italy. The toll was 510 on Saturday, the lowest since March 23.


But the number of new infections continued its slow, rising by 4,167 to 166,019, a smaller increase than was recorded on Saturday.









Leysdown, north Kent
Retron
12 April 2020 17:38:32

In worse news, the unwanted migrants have shown up again. They should be taken straight back to France, no questions asked. I mean, hell, you're not allowed to go out on a pleasure craft given the lockdown, yet we're happily bringing these migrants ashore.

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/dozens-of-migrants-detained-off-coast-225538/



"Border Force officials have brought 72 migrants to Dover after four boats crossing the English Channel were intercepted today.

It comes after 57 were detained on Wednesday and a further 59 tried to make the journey on Tuesday."


...


The Border Force and partner agencies were first alerted to a RHIB (rigid-hulled inflatable boat) travelling towards the UK at 6.30am, carrying a group of 12 males who presented as Iraqi and Iranian nationals.


Shortly afterwards a group of 10 males and eight females, who presented as Iraqi, Iranian and Syrian nationals, were spotted.


Then, at 9.45am, a Border Force vessel intercepted a RHIB carrying a group of 13 males who, again, presented as Iraqi and Iranian nationals.


There was a fourth boat found approaching a beach in Hastings where 25 males and four females, presenting as Iranian and Iraqi, were on board.



For goodness' sake - they're not even going to lock them up for 2 weeks to quarantine them.


Leysdown, north Kent
Gooner
12 April 2020 18:44:30


 


From the Tele:




6:03PM

Spanish death toll rises by 619





Spain is "far from victory" in its fight against the coronavirus, Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez has warned, as the country's death toll from the pandemic rose again after falling for three days in a row.


The nation registered 619 new deaths in the last 24 hours from Covid-19, bringing the death toll to 16,972, the health ministry said, the highest in the world after the United States and Italy. The toll was 510 on Saturday, the lowest since March 23.


But the number of new infections continued its slow, rising by 4,167 to 166,019, a smaller increase than was recorded on Saturday.









Originally Posted by: Retron 


Oh dear 


 


Thanks Darren - just shows complacency has no place 


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Marcus
Banbury
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Gooner
12 April 2020 18:45:33


In worse news, the unwanted migrants have shown up again. They should be taken straight back to France, no questions asked. I mean, hell, you're not allowed to go out on a pleasure craft given the lockdown, yet we're happily bringing these migrants ashore.

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/dozens-of-migrants-detained-off-coast-225538/



"Border Force officials have brought 72 migrants to Dover after four boats crossing the English Channel were intercepted today.

It comes after 57 were detained on Wednesday and a further 59 tried to make the journey on Tuesday."


...


The Border Force and partner agencies were first alerted to a RHIB (rigid-hulled inflatable boat) travelling towards the UK at 6.30am, carrying a group of 12 males who presented as Iraqi and Iranian nationals.


Shortly afterwards a group of 10 males and eight females, who presented as Iraqi, Iranian and Syrian nationals, were spotted.


Then, at 9.45am, a Border Force vessel intercepted a RHIB carrying a group of 13 males who, again, presented as Iraqi and Iranian nationals.


There was a fourth boat found approaching a beach in Hastings where 25 males and four females, presenting as Iranian and Iraqi, were on board.



For goodness' sake - they're not even going to lock them up for 2 weeks to quarantine them.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


That's tulip , unbelievable 


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Marcus
Banbury
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Phil G
12 April 2020 18:55:16
Where these migrants are coming from, it's probably safer there at the moment!
David M Porter
12 April 2020 19:03:54

Where these migrants are coming from, it's probably safer there at the moment!

Originally Posted by: Phil G 


Much as I sympathise with these people, I think this country has more than enough to deal with just now as it is.


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Bolty
12 April 2020 19:16:49

Maybe this is the reason why there's a lack of PPE:






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fairweather
12 April 2020 19:26:50

I think it's easier to understand the personal good wishes and adulation of Johnson when you look at human nature and the numbers. At first it seems odd when he is not actually known to these people. But if we assume a more realistic number of half a million people infected then it is still only one in a hundred people. And probably more like one in 500 for people badly affected. So very few people personally know anybody seriously ill or who have died. But when you know a lot of people are sadly badly affected it is human nature to want to show your empathy and good wishes and because of his familiarity and exposure he will be the closest thing to them at the moment to an actual friend or relative. He sort of represents the human face of the tomb of the unknown soldier.


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The Beast from the East
12 April 2020 19:39:43


I think it's easier to understand the personal good wishes and adulation of Johnson when you look at human nature and the numbers. At first it seems odd when he is not actually known to these people. But if we assume a more realistic number of half a million people infected then it is still only one in a hundred people. And probably more like one in 500 for people badly affected. So very few people personally know anybody seriously ill or who have died. But when you know a lot of people are sadly badly affected it is human nature to want to show your empathy and good wishes and because of his familiarity and exposure he will be the closest thing to them at the moment to an actual friend or relative. He sort of represents the human face of the tomb of the unknown soldier.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


As Brian mentioned, he doesn't seem to have lost any weight! 


We can only hope the experience has humbled him and changed his attitude to public services and people on low wages


And his view of the EU as well since he mentioned the nurse from Portugal. If it makes him push for a soft Brexit that would be great, though his party donors may not be too happy!


 


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The Beast from the East
12 April 2020 19:40:54

Where these migrants are coming from, it's probably safer there at the moment!

Originally Posted by: Phil G 


Syria and Iraq?


I doubt it!


 


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Chichesterweatherfan2
12 April 2020 20:04:01


In worse news, the unwanted migrants have shown up again. They should be taken straight back to France, no questions asked. I mean, hell, you're not allowed to go out on a pleasure craft given the lockdown, yet we're happily bringing these migrants ashore.

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/dozens-of-migrants-detained-off-coast-225538/



"Border Force officials have brought 72 migrants to Dover after four boats crossing the English Channel were intercepted today.

It comes after 57 were detained on Wednesday and a further 59 tried to make the journey on Tuesday."


...


The Border Force and partner agencies were first alerted to a RHIB (rigid-hulled inflatable boat) travelling towards the UK at 6.30am, carrying a group of 12 males who presented as Iraqi and Iranian nationals.


Shortly afterwards a group of 10 males and eight females, who presented as Iraqi, Iranian and Syrian nationals, were spotted.


Then, at 9.45am, a Border Force vessel intercepted a RHIB carrying a group of 13 males who, again, presented as Iraqi and Iranian nationals.


There was a fourth boat found approaching a beach in Hastings where 25 males and four females, presenting as Iranian and Iraqi, were on board.



For goodness' sake - they're not even going to lock them up for 2 weeks to quarantine them.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


you are sounding more and more like Maunder! I think you’ll find that the migrants are living in hellish conditions in camps in France , many but not all  will have escaped hellish war  conditions  in Syria or Yemen or famine in parts of Africa.....fulminate all you like but if people are desperate they will go to desperate lengths to escape...I have no solutions ...I suspect they are intractable... at the end of the day they are desperate human beings...who if nothing else deserve a modicum of human compassion...I can’t help too but notice the number of former refugees who have made a living in this country and now work in both the health and care sectors...

Gandalf The White
12 April 2020 20:04:51


 


Syria and Iraq?


I doubt it!


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Er, an illegal camp in northern France.


Arguable which is safest from Covid-19. Probably a boat in the Channel but that's got other risks.


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fairweather
12 April 2020 20:07:18


 


 


And his view of the EU as well since he mentioned the nurse from Portugal. 


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I was quite surprised how many of the nurses and doctors he mentioned happened to be British or white Europeans. Only in that the hospital is in London, the majority of doctors and nurses that have died have been Asian and the majority of staff in my local hospital in S.Essex are Asian.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Chichesterweatherfan2
12 April 2020 20:07:29


 


Syria and Iraq?


I doubt it!


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


indeed....on this issue, Beast, I am 100% agreement with you!


When you meet a Syrian family who have gone through sheer hell, it doesn’t half give you a different perspective!


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 

Phil G
12 April 2020 20:16:37


I think it's easier to understand the personal good wishes and adulation of Johnson when you look at human nature and the numbers. At first it seems odd when he is not actually known to these people. But if we assume a more realistic number of half a million people infected then it is still only one in a hundred people. And probably more like one in 500 for people badly affected. So very few people personally know anybody seriously ill or who have died. But when you know a lot of people are sadly badly affected it is human nature to want to show your empathy and good wishes and because of his familiarity and exposure he will be the closest thing to them at the moment to an actual friend or relative. He sort of represents the human face of the tomb of the unknown soldier.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


I tell you what, I am pleased he is in charge when you looked at those politicians around him. 

Ulric
12 April 2020 20:17:13


Syria and Iraq?


I doubt it!


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


We could bomb their boats just like we bombed their cities. That might deter them.


Somehow though, I think blowing them up in the Channel might be a little bit too close to home for the general public to ignore.


I've got it! Let's send them home. Then blow them up.


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RobN
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  • Advanced Member
12 April 2020 20:19:12


 


I tell you what, I am pleased he is in charge when you looked at those politicians around him. 


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


One really worrying thing is that he chose them!


Rob
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Phil G
12 April 2020 20:19:19


 


Why does that break the rules? Both in total isolation, within a couple of km of your home and in my book (going back 40 years) an essential journey. The things we used to do to get a two year old to sleep you wouldn't believe!


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Wrong. Maybe an essential journey then, but certainly not now! What are you thinking of! We are all in this together, remember, or it won't work!

Phil G
12 April 2020 20:22:29


 


One really worrying thing is that he chose them!


Originally Posted by: RobN 


No, in the other parties at the time. Keep up!

Brian Gaze
12 April 2020 20:23:30
Guardian saying more than 30 NHS workers have already died from COVID-19.
Brian Gaze
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Phil G
12 April 2020 20:26:13


 


We could bomb their boats just like we bombed their cities. That might deter them.


Somehow though, I think blowing them up in the Channel might be a little bit too close to home for the general public to ignore.


I've got it! Let's send them home. Then blow them up.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


What a fool. Deal with those that brought them here more like. Lock them up, there's only so much of them. We need to send a message.

David M Porter
12 April 2020 20:30:28


 


I tell you what, I am pleased he is in charge when you looked at those politicians around him. 


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


Indeed. Boris may not be perfect (nobody is), but I'd sooner have him as PM than some of the rest of the cabinet, especially the likes of Hancock & Priti Patel.


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