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Sevendust
17 April 2020 11:30:58


Agreed! Note to self - "must do better in moderating terms"


Apologies   


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


xioni2
17 April 2020 11:31:31


Quite simply, if the pre-lockdown R0 figure (number of other people one infected person infects) is, for example, 2.6, then for the infections to drop away as quickly as they came, the R0 figure needs to become the inverse; 1 divided by 2.6, which is 0.38.


 Chris Whitty, I think, said that they believe the R0 figure is now somewhere between 0.5 and 1. Even if it were 0.5, it will take longer for the number of new infections and deaths to subside than they built up. If the R0 figure is now 0.8, then it will take nearly 4 times longer for the disease to die out.


 Of course the R0 figure is dynamic and can change, is affected by immunity within the population if that is changing, and would also be affected by any relaxation or tightening of the lockdown.


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


This was an excellent post from yesterday's thread and it suggests that our number of deaths will only decline gradually. This is also the experience from Italy and Spain.


 

Quantum
17 April 2020 11:32:36


I think the clapping idea was well intentioned (probably as a result of lots of images from Italy), but the idea of suddenly getting together for a minute or two (because the virus has taken it's eye off) just shows how dumb we can be. The scenes from Westminster bridge are truly bizarre - what on earth were the police, on site, thinking about letting this number of people congregate? 


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


My honest opinion on the police is that they are a failed organisation that needs tearing down and rebuilding. They focus on nonsense like 'hate incidents' at the expense of things like shoplifting, burglary e.c.t. and when it comes to a crisis their response has been thoroughly inconsistent. Punitive nonsense like checking shopping bags for easter eggs while engaging in behaviour that spreads the virus. My main fear of coming across the police is not being fined for some misintepretation of the law but that they will actually give me COVID.

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
noodle doodle
17 April 2020 11:32:48
A quote from FaceBook for people who think the lockdown should be ended:

"The parachute has successfully slowed our rate of descent, therefore we can take it off"
Bolty
17 April 2020 11:33:54


 


Aerosols can survive in the air for up to 3 hours.


In a wide open space this is not usually an issue as they become quickly diluted. But in enclosed spaces its a problem. We know, definitively, that people more than 2m away can easily be infected in an enclosed public space. Even 10m+ has happened. In a wide open space I think the 8m rule is fairly safe though.


On my runs I take no chances and go for 50 (this is also why I continue to drive a mile at 5am to the wide open area where you can see someone 50m away)


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


The first one was nice as it felt like a genuine show of solidarity to care workers, but every week I've found my opinion of it slowly starting to change. It's just turning into another virtue-signalling "look at me I'm a nice guy who cares" type thing. In my workplace this was the first time we didn't do the clap.


I think it's charm has run out...

Scott
Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.
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Quantum
17 April 2020 11:34:15


Personally I love the clapping and communal show of support for our carers. So much so it brings a tear to my eye. I find it comforting that so many people are on the same page. It has made me feel more patriotic than I ever have done before. 


That all said, it should always be done safely, and I would never judge anyone who chooses not to. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


The first one was fine, but now people are taking the piss.


My confidence in the british public is at an all time low. They are like children, they cannot even be trusted to clap safely. And they need to be disiplined like children. Take the privilage away and give it back when they can do it safely.


 

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
17 April 2020 11:37:00

A quote from FaceBook for people who think the lockdown should be ended:

"The parachute has successfully slowed our rate of descent, therefore we can take it off"

Originally Posted by: noodle doodle 


I know what happens as soon as we even weaken the lockdown slightly. Morons and hedonists having twerking parties in the street and booze ups at each other's houses.


Fed up of all of this crap. The reason we are in this mess is, in part, because people can't behave themselves. It shouldn't take a libertarian like myself to tell people about the need for 'social responsibility' at a time of pandemic.


 


 


 

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Brian Gaze
17 April 2020 11:38:58


 My main fear of coming across the police is not being fined for some misintepretation of the law but that they will actually give me COVID.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


That's my main fear too. I've had to make two car journeys in the last 3 weeks and on both occasions I've been worried about being pulled over by the police.

Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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John p
17 April 2020 11:39:18


 


The first one was fine, but now people are taking the piss.


My confidence in the british public is at an all time low. They are like children, they cannot even be trusted to clap safely. And they need to be disiplined like children. Take the privilage away and give it back when they can do it safely.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


It’s simple - limit it to on the doorstep. Not coming on to the street, no Sky News camera crews out in Bradford, no Fire brigade parked outside hospital entrances (what’s that about?).


And certainly not every police car in London lined up on bridges. Criminals can set their watches to the best time to commit crimes in London currently!

Camberley, Surrey
Retron
17 April 2020 11:39:22


Frankly I'm not a massive fan of these shows of support.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


100% agreed here. I didn't mind too much the first time (although I didn't take part, as it seems daft to me), but now it's a weekly thing it's a bit much IMO, especially now it's turned into a "who can make the most noise" competition.


I would rather, if they must, they clap and whoop on the eve of the lockdown being eased, or when the final restrictions go!


 

Leysdown, north Kent
Gavin D
17 April 2020 11:39:46
Nicola Sturgeon has announced a further 58 people with COVID-19 have died taking Scotland's deaths in hospital to 837
Quantum
17 April 2020 11:40:37

And frankly the CMO from scotland behaing like a prized muttonhead is really only an avatar for all the stupidity that is going on on a daily basis. I'm getting up at sodding 5am to avoid being completely housebound and authorities like the police are literally having self egrandising fests in the street. I'm pissed off, I've been taking this seriously since January. Some people haven't even taken this seriously for a day.

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Brian Gaze
17 April 2020 11:41:17


 


My confidence in the british public is at an all time low. They are like children, they cannot even be trusted to clap safely. And they need to be disiplined like children. Take the privilage away and give it back when they can do it safely.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Mine tanked in 2016 and it continued to steadily fall since then. 

Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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Quantum
17 April 2020 11:44:25


 


It’s simple - limit it to on the doorstep. Not coming on to the street, no Sky News camera crews out in Bradford, no Fire brigade parked outside hospital entrances (what’s that about?).


And certainly not every police car in London lined up on bridges. Criminals can set their watches to the best time to commit crimes in London currently!


Originally Posted by: John p 


You could almost laugh at this BS. Fire and police literally blocking a route to St thomas hospital while spreading the virus around outside it in so called 'solidarity' for the NHS.


What about those t*ats lighting roman candeles and setting fire to the countryside. Why not have weekly 'cave dives' for the NHS?

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
llamedos
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17 April 2020 11:49:22


 


Mine tanked in 2016 and it continued to steadily fall since then. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

My dogs have always been the most reliable members of society in my world 

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Joe Bloggs
17 April 2020 11:50:07

I think the “clapping” is quite an emotional, personal, and subjective topic so I’m not going to attempt to put forward an objective argument. 

All I’ll say is my opinion clearly differs from some on here, which is fine.

I will continue to show my support, and I hope people do so safely.


Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL
Quantum
17 April 2020 11:51:51

I think the “clapping” is quite an emotional, personal, and subjective topic so I’m not going to attempt to put forward an objective viewpoint.

All I’ll say is my opinion clearly differs from some on here, which is fine.

I will continue to show my support, and I hope people do so safely.

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


I'm not against the act itself. There is nothing wrong with clapping in support for NHS workers. The problem is when people are endangering those very workers by indulding in stupid behaviour.


My main regret is an initially positive act has been turned into something dangerous because a minority of people (of which some should definitely know better) have chosen to be dcks about it.


 

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
llamedos
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17 April 2020 11:52:00

I know it shouldn't, but it never fails to astound me how much low life there is in the world.


 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52319093

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Joe Bloggs
17 April 2020 11:52:30


 


I'm not against the act itself. There is nothing wrong with clapping in support for NHS workers. The problem is when people are endangering those very workers by indulding in stupid behaviour.


My main regret is an initially positive act has been turned into something dangerous because a minority of people (of which some should definitely know better) have chosen to be dcks about it.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I absolutely can’t argue with that. 


Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL
RobN
  • RobN
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17 April 2020 11:56:27


 


My confidence in the british public is at an all time low. They are like children, they cannot even be trusted to clap safely. And they need to be disiplined like children. Take the privilage away and give it back when they can do it safely.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


You should not reserve your ire solely for the British public. The plonkers are everywhere.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/16/release-us-anti-lockdown-protests-break-across-america-featuring/


https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2020/apr/16/armed-protesters-demand-an-end-to-michigans-coronavirus-lockdown-orders-video


Good luck with disciplining these guys and taking their privileges away.

Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
westv
17 April 2020 12:05:49

The press seem to be like dogs with a bone when it comes to when the "lockdown" will be lifted/reduced. Are the press in the rest of Europe has frenzied about getting an answer for their own countries?

At least it will be mild!
Gandalf The White
17 April 2020 12:06:49


I know it shouldn't, but it never fails to astound me how much low life there is in the world.


 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52319093


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


The people who try to scam other people only see the pandemic as an opportunity.  If they had any morals they wouldn't be doing it in the first place.


 


 

Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


xioni2
17 April 2020 12:10:24


 You should not reserve your ire solely for the British public. The plonkers are everywhere.


Originally Posted by: RobN 


The use of confederate flags and semi automatic guns tells you all you need to know.



 

llamedos
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17 April 2020 12:11:19


The press seem to be like dogs with a bone when it comes to when the "lockdown" will be lifted/reduced. Are the press in the rest of Europe has frenzied about getting an answer for their own countries?


Originally Posted by: westv 

It's a waste of airtime and print. Perhaps occasionally a few invited questions from the public might be better? 

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llamedos
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17 April 2020 12:13:38


 


The people who try to scam other people only see the pandemic as an opportunity.  If they had any morals they wouldn't be doing it in the first place.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

True. Just seems worse right now, but as you say, they've never given a F **k in the first place. 

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