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Justin W
18 April 2020 17:29:55

Whoever is deleting posts here, I would like to say that the actions of the police in enforcing the lockdown are, IMO, valid as topics for debate in this thread.


Anyway, Peter - the copper can never be called upon to give evidence in court because the defence will simply bring up this video clip. That means he can no longer serve as a police officer.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Retron
18 April 2020 17:33:52


Regional data for new cases today in England


The 10 local areas with the highest cases



  1. Kent +85 (3.9%) 2,193


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Kent's been up there for a while - coincidentally, a few weeks after a rush of Londoners came down for the weekend (just before the lockdown started).


Leysdown, north Kent
Gandalf The White
18 April 2020 17:35:53


Whoever is deleting posts here, I would like to say that the actions of the police in enforcing the lockdown are, IMO, valid as topics for debate in this thread.


Anyway, Peter - the copper can never be called upon to give evidence in court because the defence will simply bring up this video clip. That means he can no longer serve as a police officer.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


If that's correct, which it might be, it's a terrible indictment of what we have become as a society.  I know you know that such comments will have been said before down the years and they do not mean the policeman is corrupt or untrustworthy. Guilty of poor judgment, undoubtedly.  But to end someone's career over this seems entirely unfair and unreasonable.


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Gavin D
18 April 2020 17:44:46
France have reported

364 new deaths in hospitals and 278 new deaths in care homes
Brian Gaze
18 April 2020 17:47:20


Whoever is deleting posts here, I would like to say that the actions of the police in enforcing the lockdown are, IMO, valid as topics for debate in this thread.


Anyway, Peter - the copper can never be called upon to give evidence in court because the defence will simply bring up this video clip. That means he can no longer serve as a police officer.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


I've barely been around this afternoon. PM me if there's a specific issue. 


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Justin W
18 April 2020 17:54:36


 


If that's correct, which it might be, it's a terrible indictment of what we have become as a society.  I know you know that such comments will have been said before down the years and they do not mean the policeman is corrupt or untrustworthy. Guilty of poor judgment, undoubtedly.  But to end someone's career over this seems entirely unfair and unreasonable.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Whether he meant it or not, it is just about one of the most serious issues. If a copper cannot be trusted to give a truthful account in court, he cannot be a copper. I’m not making a judgement on his motivation, merely stating what is obvious. He would be forever tainted.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Retron
18 April 2020 17:57:44


 


Kent's been up there for a while - coincidentally, a few weeks after a rush of Londoners came down for the weekend (just before the lockdown started).


Originally Posted by: Retron 


And as if by magic, from the Tele. Gee, thanks, I wonder why Kent's now seeing tons of cases....


(At the time, local social media was filled with people who were aghast at the Londoners flooding into our holiday parks. There were also posts about some of them boasting in local shops, too, about how they actually had stock of stuff on Sheppey, not like "back home".)


It may not be the same as in Italy, but it seems that the flight of the Londoners has gifted the regions more cases than they would otherwise have had.


Almost 250,000 people fled London ahead of coronavirus lockdown


Almost  250,000 people left London before the UK coronavirus lockdown came into effect, figures from Oxford University show. 


Data shows that thousands flooded out of the capital toward other parts of the country before people were instructed to stay at home on March 23, with the majority going to the east of England and South East. 


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/04/18/almost-250000-people-fled-london-ahead-coronavirus-lockdown/


 


Leysdown, north Kent
RobN
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18 April 2020 18:08:40


 


And as if by magic, from the Tele. Gee, thanks, I wonder why Kent's now seeing tons of cases....


(At the time, local social media was filled with people who were aghast at the Londoners flooding into our holiday parks. There were also posts about some of them boasting in local shops, too, about how they actually had stock of stuff on Sheppey, not like "back home".)


It may not be the same as in Italy, but it seems that the flight of the Londoners has gifted the regions more cases than they would otherwise have had.


Almost 250,000 people fled London ahead of coronavirus lockdown


Almost  250,000 people left London before the UK coronavirus lockdown came into effect, figures from Oxford University show. 


Data shows that thousands flooded out of the capital toward other parts of the country before people were instructed to stay at home on March 23, with the majority going to the east of England and South East. 


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/04/18/almost-250000-people-fled-london-ahead-coronavirus-lockdown/


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


This is old news. The Daily Mail covered this on 21st March.


People of Southwold are up in arms as they are overrun by well-heeled London folk moving to their second homes in the town to wait out coronavirus pandemic


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8138287/People-Southwold-arms-overrun-heeled-folk-London.html


 


Rob
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Gooner
18 April 2020 18:09:28


 


Whether he meant it or not, it is just about one of the most serious issues. If a copper cannot be trusted to give a truthful account in court, he cannot be a copper. I’m not making a judgement on his motivation, merely stating what is obvious. He would be forever tainted.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Very true " I shall make something up" five words that could cost him 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Retron
18 April 2020 18:14:43


This is old news. The Daily Mail covered this on 21st March.


Originally Posted by: RobN 


Check the date in the URL, it's the latest news.


(The difference is back then, such as when that DM article was posted, it was all anecdotal - he said, she said sort of stuff. We now have the numbers to prove that yes, there really was a mass outflow of Londoners to the regions, it wasn't just a few cherry-picked places.)


Leysdown, north Kent
Gavin D
18 April 2020 18:21:43

Boris has some explaining to do...


 



RobN
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  • Advanced Member
18 April 2020 18:29:00


 


Check the date in the URL, it's the latest news.


(The difference is back then, such as when that DM article was posted, it was all anecdotal - he said, she said sort of stuff. We now have the numbers to prove that yes, there really was a mass outflow of Londoners to the regions, it wasn't just a few cherry-picked places.)


Originally Posted by: Retron 


There were many, many similar reports at the time, so the figure of 250K hardly comes as a surprise! Which is a more expansive way of saying this is old news. If you in a plague ridden city which was about to be locked down wouldn't you escape if you had the chance?


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
warrenb
18 April 2020 18:37:13


Boris has some explaining to do...


 




Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Tidy piece of work there by the ST. Get a #whereisboris tag trending on twitter then release this story.


Bugglesgate
18 April 2020 19:21:51


Boris has some explaining to do...


 




Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


I guess he knows how dangerous it is now though !


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xioni2
18 April 2020 19:24:19

From The Times:


Last week, a senior adviser to Downing Street broke ranks and blamed the weeks of complacency on a failure of leadership in cabinet. In particular, the prime minister was singled out.


“There’s no way you’re at war if your PM isn’t there,” the adviser said. “And what you learn about Boris was he didn’t chair any meetings. He liked his country breaks. He didn’t work weekends. It was like working for an old-fashioned chief executive in a local authority 20 years ago. There was a real sense that he didn’t do urgent crisis planning. It was exactly like people feared he would be.”


An investigation has talked to scientists, academics, doctors, emergency planners, public officials and politicians about the root of the crisis and whether the government should have known sooner and acted more swiftly to kick-start the Whitehall machine and put the NHS onto a war footing.


They told us that, contrary to the official line, Britain was in a poor state of readiness for a pandemic. Emergency stockpiles of PPE had severely dwindled and gone out of date after becoming a low priority in the years of austerity cuts. The training to prepare key workers for a pandemic had been put on hold for two years while contingency planning was diverted to deal with a possible no-deal Brexit.


Several emergency planners and scientists said that the plans to protect the UK in a pandemic had once been a top priority and had been well-funded for a decade following the 9/11 terrorist attacks in 2001. But then austerity cuts struck. “We were the envy of the world,” the source said, “but pandemic planning became a casualty of the austerity years when there were more pressing needs.”


The last rehearsal for a pandemic was a 2016 exercise codenamed Cygnus which predicted the health service would collapse and highlighted a long list of shortcomings — including, presciently, a lack of PPE and intensive care ventilators.


But an equally lengthy list of recommendations to address the deficiencies was never implemented. The source said preparations for a no-deal Brexit “sucked all the blood out of pandemic planning” in the following years.


Members of the government advisory group on pandemics are said to have felt powerless. “They would joke between themselves, ‘Haha let’s hope we don’t get a pandemic,’ because there wasn’t a single area of practice that was being nurtured in order for us to meet basic requirements for pandemic, never mind do it well,” said the source.


“If you were with senior NHS managers at all during the last two years, you were aware that their biggest fear, their sweatiest nightmare, was a pandemic because they weren’t prepared for it.”


But Public Health England failed to take advantage of our early breakthroughs with tests and lost early opportunities to step up production to the levels that would later be needed.


This was in part because the government was planning for the virus using its blueprint for fighting the flu. Once a flu pandemic has found its way into the population and there is no vaccine, then the virus is allowed to take its course until “herd immunity” is acquired. Such a plan does not require mass testing.


A senior politician told this newspaper: “I had conversations with Chris Whitty at the end of January and they were absolutely focused on herd immunity. The reason is that with flu, herd immunity is the right response if you haven’t got a vaccine.


“All of our planning was for pandemic flu. There has basically been a divide between scientists in Asia who saw this as a horrible, deadly disease on the lines of Sars, which requires immediate lockdown, and those in the West, particularly in the US and UK, who saw this as flu.”


The failure to obtain large amounts of testing equipment was another big error of judgment, according to the Downing Street source. It would later be one of the big scandals of the coronavirus crisis that the considerable capacity of Britain’s private laboratories to mass-produce tests was not harnessed during those crucial weeks of February.


The lack of action was confirmed by Doris-Ann Williams, chief executive of the British In Vitro Diagnostics Association, which represents 110 companies that make up most of the UK’s testing sector. Amazingly, she says her organisation did not receive a meaningful approach from the government asking for help until April 1 — the night before Hancock bowed to pressure and announced a belated and ambitious target of 100,000 tests a day by the end of this month.

fairweather
18 April 2020 19:28:32


 


If that's correct, which it might be, it's a terrible indictment of what we have become as a society.  I know you know that such comments will have been said before down the years and they do not mean the policeman is corrupt or untrustworthy. Guilty of poor judgment, undoubtedly.  But to end someone's career over this seems entirely unfair and unreasonable.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


I guess it's about holding a position where more is expected of you. The Scottish Health Minister was also guilty of poor judgement - and it cost her her job. I don't see that as much different or any more unfair or unreasonable.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Phil G
18 April 2020 19:33:56
I think with the govt herd immunity was the way, but when they saw those numbers start coming through from Italy they got caught with their pants down.
Their daily update are just occasions to try defend themselves. But, while the call went out for ventilators, right now there should be a big call out for PPE to be made here in a number of areas throughout the country and distributed. They seem to be relying on overseas deliveries that last two days! We need a conveyor belt mass production producing the equipment.
Let's at least show we are up to the task.
This needs to be done big scale.
NickR
18 April 2020 19:36:19


From The Times:


Last week, a senior adviser to Downing Street broke ranks and blamed the weeks of complacency on a failure of leadership in cabinet. In particular, the prime minister was singled out.


“There’s no way you’re at war if your PM isn’t there,” the adviser said. “And what you learn about Boris was he didn’t chair any meetings. He liked his country breaks. He didn’t work weekends. It was like working for an old-fashioned chief executive in a local authority 20 years ago. There was a real sense that he didn’t do urgent crisis planning. It was exactly like people feared he would be.”


An investigation has talked to scientists, academics, doctors, emergency planners, public officials and politicians about the root of the crisis and whether the government should have known sooner and acted more swiftly to kick-start the Whitehall machine and put the NHS onto a war footing.


They told us that, contrary to the official line, Britain was in a poor state of readiness for a pandemic. Emergency stockpiles of PPE had severely dwindled and gone out of date after becoming a low priority in the years of austerity cuts. The training to prepare key workers for a pandemic had been put on hold for two years while contingency planning was diverted to deal with a possible no-deal Brexit.


Several emergency planners and scientists said that the plans to protect the UK in a pandemic had once been a top priority and had been well-funded for a decade following the 9/11 terrorist attacks in 2001. But then austerity cuts struck. “We were the envy of the world,” the source said, “but pandemic planning became a casualty of the austerity years when there were more pressing needs.”


The last rehearsal for a pandemic was a 2016 exercise codenamed Cygnus which predicted the health service would collapse and highlighted a long list of shortcomings — including, presciently, a lack of PPE and intensive care ventilators.


But an equally lengthy list of recommendations to address the deficiencies was never implemented. The source said preparations for a no-deal Brexit “sucked all the blood out of pandemic planning” in the following years.


Members of the government advisory group on pandemics are said to have felt powerless. “They would joke between themselves, ‘Haha let’s hope we don’t get a pandemic,’ because there wasn’t a single area of practice that was being nurtured in order for us to meet basic requirements for pandemic, never mind do it well,” said the source.


“If you were with senior NHS managers at all during the last two years, you were aware that their biggest fear, their sweatiest nightmare, was a pandemic because they weren’t prepared for it.”


But Public Health England failed to take advantage of our early breakthroughs with tests and lost early opportunities to step up production to the levels that would later be needed.


This was in part because the government was planning for the virus using its blueprint for fighting the flu. Once a flu pandemic has found its way into the population and there is no vaccine, then the virus is allowed to take its course until “herd immunity” is acquired. Such a plan does not require mass testing.


A senior politician told this newspaper: “I had conversations with Chris Whitty at the end of January and they were absolutely focused on herd immunity. The reason is that with flu, herd immunity is the right response if you haven’t got a vaccine.


“All of our planning was for pandemic flu. There has basically been a divide between scientists in Asia who saw this as a horrible, deadly disease on the lines of Sars, which requires immediate lockdown, and those in the West, particularly in the US and UK, who saw this as flu.”


The failure to obtain large amounts of testing equipment was another big error of judgment, according to the Downing Street source. It would later be one of the big scandals of the coronavirus crisis that the considerable capacity of Britain’s private laboratories to mass-produce tests was not harnessed during those crucial weeks of February.


The lack of action was confirmed by Doris-Ann Williams, chief executive of the British In Vitro Diagnostics Association, which represents 110 companies that make up most of the UK’s testing sector. Amazingly, she says her organisation did not receive a meaningful approach from the government asking for help until April 1 — the night before Hancock bowed to pressure and announced a belated and ambitious target of 100,000 tests a day by the end of this month.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Austerity, Boris, and Brexit.


1000s of unnecessary deaths because of those 3 things. Sod everyone who supported/supports any of them.


Nick
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warrenb
18 April 2020 19:39:57
To be honest as soon as I see "a senior adviser" I switch off.
xioni2
18 April 2020 19:43:54

To be honest as soon as I see "a senior adviser" I switch off.

Originally Posted by: warrenb 


You may switch off, but this is pretty damning stuff from a Tory supporting newspaper.

fairweather
18 April 2020 19:45:06


They could and should be produced in this country and we need millions of them.  Hopefully there are companies working towards it as I type! 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Yes and not just for now. A good opportunity to invest in the future, and not just in this. Some forward planning for the Country in all sorts of areas. We have sadly lacked that over the years and we can now more clearly see that short termism has its pitfalls.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
warrenb
18 April 2020 19:50:59


 


You may switch off, but this is pretty damning stuff from a Tory supporting newspaper.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


This is someone in the government playing a power play pure and simple. Senior adviser, senior politician, this has a political power play written all over it


Gavin D
18 April 2020 19:51:17

Updated trajectory. UK's curve pretty much inline with Italy still.


fairweather
18 April 2020 19:51:46


Boris has some explaining to do...


 




Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Our hero had been skiving? Surely not - that was the old Boris. 


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Justin W
18 April 2020 20:02:31


 


This is someone in the government playing a power play pure and simple. Senior adviser, senior politician, this has a political power play written all over it


Originally Posted by: warrenb 


I don't even know what this means.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?

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