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llamedos
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20 April 2020 05:36:23

Will plasma treatment provide us with a solution?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52348368


"Life with the Lions"

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Heavy Weather 2013
20 April 2020 05:41:37

The DHSC has now now started issuing direct rebuttals to media claims on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1251946911231283202?s=21


Its the first Tweet in response to the Sky article.


Mark
Beckton, E London
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llamedos
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20 April 2020 05:57:45


The DHSC has now now started issuing direct rebuttals to media claims on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1251946911231283202?s=21


Its the first Tweet in response to the Sky article.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

....and a very detailed rebuttal it is


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Retron
20 April 2020 06:31:22

Today's fun thing for me will be the news that the gov't is giving away free laptops and 4G dongles... it looks like my team will, in due course, have to go in to set up a crap-ton of laptops (and presumably hand them out too).

We have 25% of our pupils on free school meals and by the sounds of it a quarter of year 10 (80 or so pupils) will be getting free kit, as well as looked-after children in other years.

The interesting thing is that we'd already allocated about 10 laptops (old teachers' ones) for some of the present year 11, but the Trust vetoed any idea of getting dongles for them on the basis that we couldn't fulfil our statutory safeguarding duties - as we couldn't ensure the Internet access provided by them would be filtered.

Now it's government-mandated, don't be surprised if you hear of people taking the free 4G dongles and using them on a friend's laptop and surfing for porn via a VPN! Furthermore, I notice the reports said that "some educational sites" won't count against the data limit... again, this raises the spectre of the school having to fork out for the kids to watch Netflix or iPlayer, all things which resulted in the Trust vetoing the idea when it was mooted by our head prior to the lockdown.

Oh well, we'll see what happens. Given the government's handling of IT in general I doubt we'll see much for the next fortnight at least!


Leysdown, north Kent
Brian Gaze
20 April 2020 07:01:22

Developments in Sweden continue to be fascinating. Perhaps the virus will just fade away after all? On the other hand it's possible there are other factors at work. For example, the Swedes may be very good at social distancing without needing strict rules to be imposed by government or the population density makes it more difficult for the virus to really take hold. Mass antibody testing in Stockholm would be informative. 


Free-to-roam Swedes flatten the coronavirus curve


The medic leading Sweden’s coronavirus response claims the country’s epidemic is stabilising even though the population has not been ordered to stay at home.

Almost alone among wealthy European nations, the Swedish authorities have chosen not to slow the disease’s spread through an enforced lockdown.

Instead, most schools, bars, restaurants, shops and even some museums and galleries have remained open, with Swedes advised rather than compelled to adopt social distancing measures.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/free-to-roam-swedes-flatten-the-coronavirus-curve-bxpdvv05f
Brian Gaze
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Brian Gaze
20 April 2020 07:03:09


The DHSC has now now started issuing direct rebuttals to media claims on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1251946911231283202?s=21


Its the first Tweet in response to the Sky article.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Shocking to see the government website being used for a political rebuttal. That's your tax and mine being used to prop up a government which I personally don't support. Can I request a refund?


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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doctormog
20 April 2020 07:05:44
It may be correct or it may be very premature to suggest Sweden is “flattening the curve”. As you point out thereby are lots more factors and unanswered questions to be considered and the next few months with be very interesting from that point of view.
Heavy Weather 2013
20 April 2020 07:10:24


 


Shocking to see the government website being used for a political rebuttal. That's your tax and mine being used to prop up a government which I personally don't support. Can I request a refund?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


It is very shocking Brain and I don’t agree with the DHSC being used in such a way.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
westv
20 April 2020 07:18:23


 


Shocking to see the government website being used for a political rebuttal. That's your tax and mine being used to prop up a government which I personally don't support. Can I request a refund?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


How would you suggest it was done then? Would you have just ignored the report?


At least it will be mild!
springsunshine
20 April 2020 07:24:59


Developments in Sweden continue to be fascinating. Perhaps the virus will just fade away after all? On the other hand it's possible there are other factors at work. For example, the Swedes may be very good at social distancing without needing strict rules to be imposed by government or the population density makes it more difficult for the virus to really take hold. Mass antibody testing in Stockholm would be informative. 


Free-to-roam Swedes flatten the coronavirus curve


The medic leading Sweden’s coronavirus response claims the country’s epidemic is stabilising even though the population has not been ordered to stay at home.

Almost alone among wealthy European nations, the Swedish authorities have chosen not to slow the disease’s spread through an enforced lockdown.

Instead, most schools, bars, restaurants, shops and even some museums and galleries have remained open, with Swedes advised rather than compelled to adopt social distancing measures.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/free-to-roam-swedes-flatten-the-coronavirus-curve-bxpdvv05f

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Sweeden looks like the one country that has got its approach right treating its citizens like grown ups and protecting its economy at the same time and if indeed things improve there it would be a good model for the uk to follow in 3 weeks time.


 

SJV
20 April 2020 07:27:18

It may be correct or it may be very premature to suggest Sweden is “flattening the curve”. As you point out thereby are lots more factors and unanswered questions to be considered and the next few months with be very interesting from that point of view.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


I'm sure population density must have a significant impact. 


Sweden's population density is 25 per km squared


UK's population density is 281 per km squared


Countries with vastly greater densities like ours can't just follow the Sweden model and expect similar results. Had we done so it would have likely meant disaster for our NHS.

Brian Gaze
20 April 2020 07:30:21


 


How would you suggest it was done then? Would you have just ignored the report?


Originally Posted by: westv 


They shouldn't be using tax payers money for political reasons. If you want to make a donation to the New Brexit Party feel free. I'd sooner not.


Brian Gaze
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Ulric
20 April 2020 07:32:13


 


Sweeden looks like the one country that has got its approach right treating its citizens like grown ups and protecting its economy at the same time and if indeed things improve there it would be a good model for the uk to follow in 3 weeks time.


 


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


Sweden is a bit different to the UK.


https://luminocity3d.org/WorldPopDen/#5/57.005/11.953


 


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speckledjim
20 April 2020 07:32:51


 


Sweeden looks like the one country that has got its approach right treating its citizens like grown ups and protecting its economy at the same time and if indeed things improve there it would be a good model for the uk to follow in 3 weeks time.


 


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


Certainly looks positive at the moment but it looked good in Japan too and they now have a huge problem with an increase in cases and pressure on hospitals.


Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
doctormog
20 April 2020 07:34:12


 


I'm sure population density must have a significant impact. 


Sweden's population density is 25 per km squared


UK's population density is 281 per km squared


Countries with vastly greater densities like ours can't just follow the Sweden model and expect similar results. Had we done so it would have likely meant disaster for our NHS.


Originally Posted by: SJV 


That thought has occurred to me quite often Steve. It is also, and will continue to be, interesting to compare the picture in Sweden with its Scandinavian neighbours.


Brian Gaze
20 April 2020 07:40:16


 


Certainly looks positive at the moment but it looked good in Japan too and they now have a huge problem with an increase in cases and pressure on hospitals.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


They have a problem but it is too early to say whether it is huge. On April 15th they recorded 741 new cases. For comparison the UK is still recording between 4,000 and 6,000 infections on a daily basis.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan/


Brian Gaze
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speckledjim
20 April 2020 07:40:40
Singapore’s and Japan’s lack of a lockdown has bitten them very hard. Both countries have now been hit by a 2nd wave much worse than the first one. Just goes to show how necessary the severe restrictions introduced in Europe have been.
Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
speckledjim
20 April 2020 07:48:14


 


They have a problem but it is too early to say whether it is huge. On April 15th they recorded 741 new cases. For comparison the UK is still recording between 4,000 and 6,000 infections on a daily basis.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan/


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Doctors in Japan are are warning of a health service break down. It’s the hospital admissions that you need to look out for, not the number of new cases (particularly from a country that isn’t testing - 892 per million, compared with the UK’s 7000


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-52336388


 


Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
RobN
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20 April 2020 07:56:23


Sweeden looks like the one country that has got its approach right treating its citizens like grown ups and protecting its economy at the same time and if indeed things improve there it would be a good model for the uk to follow in 3 weeks time.


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


I think it's way too early to make that judgement.


Just for balance, here's a contrary view...


The Grim Truth About the “Swedish Model”


https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/swedish-coronavirus-no-lockdown-model-proves-lethal-by-hans-bergstrom-2020-04


 


 


Rob
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westv
20 April 2020 08:06:32


 


They shouldn't be using tax payers money for political reasons. If you want to make a donation to the New Brexit Party feel free. I'd sooner not.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


So you would have ignored it then.


At least it will be mild!
xioni2
20 April 2020 08:07:14


The DHSC has now now started issuing direct rebuttals to media claims on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1251946911231283202?s=21


Its the first Tweet in response to the Sky article.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


It starts with 2 very dodgy claims:


‘This is an unprecedented global pandemic and we have taken the right steps at the right time to combat it, guided at all times by the best scientific advice.


'Our response has ensured that the NHS has been given all the support it needs to ensure everyone requiring treatment has received it, as well as providing protection to businesses and reassurance to workers.


--


So, both the lockdown and the PPE procurement were done at the right time and also the NHS stuff have all the protection they need. In other words the frontline medics are probably lying.



 

xioni2
20 April 2020 08:11:34


Developments in Sweden continue to be fascinating. Perhaps the virus will just fade away after all? On the other hand it's possible there are other factors at work. For example, the Swedes may be very good at social distancing without needing strict rules to be imposed by government or the population density makes it more difficult for the virus to really take hold. Mass antibody testing in Stockholm would be informative. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


They've done quite poorly so far compared to their neighbours and it's not like they are not taking an economic hit (they will have a recession and unemployment is rising fast)


https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-deaths-days-since-per-million?country=ITA+KOR+SWE+GBR+GRC+DNK+NOR+FIN+PRT


There are signs that their epidemic is slowing down, but it's still too early.

xioni2
20 April 2020 08:16:05

Singapore’s and Japan’s lack of a lockdown has bitten them very hard. Both countries have now been hit by a 2nd wave much worse than the first one. Just goes to show how necessary the severe restrictions introduced in Europe have been.

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


It's quite a different situation actually. The new cases in Singapore are mostly in immigrant housing and I think Singapore will manage to control it again. Japan, on the other hand, seems to have more widespread new infections and hospital admissions and I expect their number of deaths to rise sharply in the next few weeks. SIngapore has done (and still is doing) a lot of testing, but Japan hasn't. There were also many right wing politicians in Japan claiming that the priority should be the economy.

The Beast from the East
20 April 2020 08:27:50


 


They shouldn't be using tax payers money for political reasons. If you want to make a donation to the New Brexit Party feel free. I'd sooner not.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 



The "Get ready for Brexit on October 31st" campaign cost us £100m. 


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The Beast from the East
20 April 2020 08:31:21


 


It's quite a different situation actually. The new cases in Singapore are mostly in immigrant housing and I think Singapore will manage to control it again. Japan, on the other hand, seems to have more widespread new infections and hospital admissions and I expect their number of deaths to rise sharply in the next few weeks. SIngapore has done (and still is doing) a lot of testing, but Japan hasn't. There were also many right wing politicians in Japan claiming that the priority should be the economy.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


If you look at the numbers both here and America, a large number of cases are from minority groups in densely populated areas


Take those away, and the situation doesn't look bad at all in rural areas. Perhaps lockdown can be eased in such areas with no public health risk


 


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