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xioni2
21 April 2020 15:33:26


Its also nigh on impossible to compare 2 countries as there are so many factors in play - ethnic makeup, population density, age of population, social factors etc etc etc.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


It's not possible to make detailed comparisons, but it is possible to make general ones. Countries that reacted early and aggressively  have (so far) avoided the exponential phase of the epidemic, the examples are too many to mention.


Japan will probably pay for its lack of mass testing and tracing, its response was more incompetent and confused compared to other Asian countries. 

westv
21 April 2020 15:39:56


 


Best of British to them. I won't be booking a Med holiday during that period as much as I would like to. Our budget would stretch to flying Club Europe, hiring a car at destination and staying in a good boutique hotel with fewer customers than a big package holiday set-up. Health passports or not we won't be doing it unless C19 dramatically fades. Anyone thinking of sardining on an Easy Jet (and even with the middle seats out it still will be) and staying in a block hotel after a coach transfer is barking. (IMHO only of course).


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Even package holidays offer smaller hotels. They're not all huge "all inclusive" hotels.


Anyway, our Jet2 hols to Mallorca (staying at a boutique hotel  ) would have started next Monday but they cancelled it and, after a few tweets, I got the refund in my account a couple of weeks ago.  


At least it will be mild!
speckledjim
21 April 2020 15:40:04


 


You may well be correct. However, I suggest waiting until July to decide definitively. I am due to go on holiday to Italy in mid-July - I booked it in January. While I certainly wouldn't book holidays there now, neither would I cancel the holiday quite yet. Mid July is three months away. Things may will have improved by then. On balance, probably not by enough to allow for holidays. But I wouldn't rule it out entirely yet. You just never know.


I would add that whatever your outlaws plans are, facts on the ground will ultimately decide whether they actually go or not. For example, will bars and restaurants still be shut in July? Would they be forced to self isolate on their return? If the answer to any of these questions is Yes, I suspect that they won't be going. In any case, there could be effective travel bans still in place in July.


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


I’m due to go to Italy mid July too, Puglia to be precise. It hasn’t been affected that bad - 3500 cases out of a population of 4m. If allowed I think we’ll still go but no rush to decide yet.


Thorner, West Yorkshire


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xioni2
21 April 2020 15:44:38


Best of British to them. I won't be booking a Med holiday during that period as much as I would like to. Our budget would stretch to flying Club Europe, hiring a car at destination and staying in a good boutique hotel with fewer customers than a big package holiday set-up. Health passports or not we won't be doing it unless C19 dramatically fades. Anyone thinking of sardining on an Easy Jet (and even with the middle seats out it still will be) and staying in a block hotel after a coach transfer is barking. (IMHO only of course).


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I hear you. I had a holiday booked in Italy in May (cancelled and fully refunded) and another one in September in Greece. I doubt the latter will happen either, but 4-5 months is a long way off. 

fairweather
21 April 2020 15:51:25

If you were ever in doubt about these two Clarkson totally backs Ramsey saying people are just envious of them. Clarkson also staying at holiday home.


"Gordon Ramsay decided that if he was going to have to stay at home, the home he’d like to stay at was his backup pad in Cornwall.


"People say these weekenders will place an undue strain on stretched rural services, but that’s not the real reason for their resentment. It’s bitterness. It’s petty jealousy."


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Lionel Hutz
21 April 2020 15:51:32


 


I’m due to go to Italy mid July too, Puglia to be precise. It hasn’t been affected that bad - 3500 cases out of a population of 4m. If allowed I think we’ll still go but no rush to decide yet.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


We're due to go to Friuli Venezia Giulia which despite being in the North East, hasn't been too badly hit either, though somewhat worse than Puglia. However, apart from the risk factor while there, another big issue is whether we would be expected to self isolate when we return. The self isolation period here is 14 days and I am fairly sure that that would be one thing that would prevent us going. However, as you say, no rush to decide yet. I am determined to remain optimistic that a lot may happen in 3 months!  


Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



Chunky Pea
21 April 2020 15:52:24

'Mass gatherings' (concerts, sports events etc) are now being banned until autumn over here by our unelected and unaccountable Government. 


Current Conditions
https://t.ly/MEYqg 


"You don't have to know anything to have an opinion"
--Roger P, 12/Oct/2022
Darren S
21 April 2020 15:54:12


JFF model is going for 2302 pillar 1 today, with 4301 confirmed it looks a long shot however pillar 1 and the total are now starting to rapidly dirverge.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Pillar 1: 3,643 confirmed
Pillar 2: 658 confirmed


https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public#number-of-cases-and-deaths


Darren
Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)
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Brian Gaze
21 April 2020 15:59:07


 


Pillar 1: 3,643 confirmed
Pillar 2: 658 confirmed


https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public#number-of-cases-and-deaths


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Only ~11600 people tested. 


Brian Gaze
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xioni2
21 April 2020 15:59:13


'Mass gatherings' (concerts, sports events etc) are now being banned until autumn over here by our unelected and unaccountable Government. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


They will probably stay banned everywhere until vaccination.

Chunky Pea
21 April 2020 16:00:52


 


They will probably stay banned everywhere until vaccination.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Big pharma politics. 


Current Conditions
https://t.ly/MEYqg 


"You don't have to know anything to have an opinion"
--Roger P, 12/Oct/2022
Gavin D
21 April 2020 16:04:08

The Isle of Man are easing the restrictions from this Friday allowing builders, construction workers, tradesmen, window cleaners and gardeners to return to work whilst adhering to social distancing measures.

xioni2
21 April 2020 16:05:20


Only ~11600 people tested. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


This is becoming a farse now. Same with PPE, MPs and the media keep getting contacted by British companies which say they can provide PPE, only to hear nothing back from HMG. 

Gavin D
21 April 2020 16:05:39
2,963 spare critical care beds available across the NHS. A new record.
Gavin D
21 April 2020 16:06:57
17,681 in hospital with Covid-19 down from 17,971 yesterday
Heavy Weather 2013
21 April 2020 16:07:06
Matt Hancock has confirmed 852 people have died up from the reported figure earlier.
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
xioni2
21 April 2020 16:08:32

And we are now going to Pyongyang for today's piece of propaganda. 

springsunshine
21 April 2020 16:08:59


 


I think the Med countries are hoping to salvage July-September by using health passports, i.e. tourists testing negative just before they travel. It could be possible but it'd rely on several factors:



  • availability of reliable mass testing

  • epidemic being under control in Europe (very low number of infections) 

  • Demand for this


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Anyone that has booked or planning a holiday this year  had best forget about it,not going to happen and just not worth the risk,unless their is a vaccine and you have been vaccinated in which case it should be recorded on everyones passports.

Gavin D
21 April 2020 16:11:03
Italy

2729 new cases 
 534 new deaths
Heavy Weather 2013
21 April 2020 16:11:26
I’m sorry but this briefing is crazy.

It’s always thousands of this and thousands of that. Records of this and records of that.

But their in no proof in the pudding.

UK Suppliers off PPE are staring to come on stream - but no timelines.

These briefings feel like a propaganda machine in action.
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Gavin D
21 April 2020 16:11:41
Oxford vaccine going to human trials this Thursday
springsunshine
21 April 2020 16:12:45


 


They will probably stay banned everywhere until vaccination.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


These will be the very very last things to happen,well into next year probably.

Heavy Weather 2013
21 April 2020 16:14:23

Positive cases have been above 4k since the 1st April. So while flat, it’s flat at a high level.


I am concerned it’s not dropped below 4k and suggests while the lockdown has helped, it’s not been adhered to enough.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Gavin D
21 April 2020 16:15:52

Daily slides


Transport remaining steady



Cases remain high, and we remain in "a situation of danger." 



Hospital admissions remain stable


Heavy Weather 2013
21 April 2020 16:18:54
UK all setting deaths currently track third worst after Spain and USA
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.

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