Wouldn't it only take one or two whistleblowers to bring that house of cards down?

I would say I agree with all comments saying people are out more. I have had to run down the road or stop far more often on my runs to maintain social distancing (for me, 5m+ while running) in the last couple of days

I have a horrible feeling this could turn out quite accurate. 

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What we do know for sure is that at least 41,000 people have died according to the FT analysis posted yesterday.

In NZ, Greece, Vietnam etc - countries that lockdowned very early - have very few deaths and very few cases.

Even if the virus starts to spread when lockdown is eased, far fewer will die in these countries and we are that bit closer to a vaccine or other novel treatments that will reduce deaths like plasma treatment and remdesivir

I know you voted for Boris, and as a result you may feel the need to parrot the official excuses, but the hard reality is that Boris's slow reaction has led to thousands of unnecessary deaths

 

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This is an interesting resource on mobility.
https://t.co/NJrYKZvmeo

Definitely an uptick on driving and walking.

A quick comparison with other countries reveals a similar pattern. 
I guess people are simply getting “sick of it”. 
That’s about the only thing SAGE were spot on about - that fatigue would set in. 

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Very interesting link. Shows the increase is not just a UK phenomenon

Probably some form of international plausible deniability I would guess?

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Yes, thats what Prof Sarah said to Marr. We need some community spread for these guinea pigs to catch it

But why not just infect them in the lab, like the Monkeys? I assume that's not allowed? The Chinese must be doing it to political prisoners and Urghur Muslims in those camps!

 

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Again this is not a massive surprise IMHO. Finding an existing drug which can be used off label will not be easy unless we get lucky.

 

Potential coronavirus drug "flops in first trial" - report

An experimental drug that had touted as a potentially effective treatment for coronavirus has flopped in its first comprehensive clinical trial, according to draft results accidentally published online by the World Health Organisation.

According to a report in the Financial Times, which saw the documents, remdesivir failed to improve the condition of patients or reduce the among of the virus in the blood. [source: Guardian]

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From New Scientist

Covid-19 latest: Up to half of deaths in Europe were in care homes

Up to half of those who have died from covid-19 in Europe were in care homes, according to Hans Kluge, the World Health Organization (WHO) regional director for Europe. Describing the finding as “deeply concerning”, Kluge said that many care homes may be “providing pathways for the virus to spread” and the problem has been made worse because care home workers are “overstretched, underpaid and unprotected.”

Yesterday, the UK government’s chief medical adviser Chris Witty said it was hard to prevent deaths in care homes “sadly because this is a very vulnerable group.”

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237475-covid-19-latest-up-to-half-of-deaths-in-europe-were-in-care-homes/

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Wouldn't know what things are like here as I have only been out for 2 walks in the last 5 weeks. Not been out for a week.

If reports are true, then what will happen is infections and deaths will start to rocket again, and the lockdown will be brought back even harder, causing even more damage to lives and the economy. As if the last 4 years hadn't shown it clearly enough: we are a country of idiots.

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Even in Italy and Spain, its still running at around 3K with a much harder and enforced lockdown. As long as people interact with each other there will be some spread. And some interaction is unavoidable such as key workers and food production

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https://www.facebook.com/www.JOE.co.uk/videos/292182515104359/ 

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It’s not just about 2nd waves and we have no idea what will/wont happen should any country get one. You may well be right with your opinion but it is just that and it certainly isn’t fact. I also don’t understand why you think those countries who acted earlier in their epidemic would be in a better economic position, have more understanding and have better treatments. All countries are sharing their experiences for all to benefit from.

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Yes same here Wilko has been open from start I was very surprised at that as shop has little food I noted on Monday in Chelmsford many couples were buying for DIY I even heard one guy say I won’t have the opportunity again to get 80% pay and decorate the house.

so my point is left house for that specific reason

Also got the feeling many thought it was handy to be open with one buying rat poison as wholesaler has poison licence.

also paint was nearly completely sold out and bad thing about that was I saw a bloke pick up the tin without thinking and reading it as most naturally  do.

i am also guilty as I bought some unnecessary item which was not essential item to be honest I wish the shop was shut

 I must say shop was very well organised with allowing only a couple in and out procedure and staff cleaning every basket which made me feel a little more comfortable.

 

 

This is a surprise. I thought other studies had shown it to be helpful

 

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People are seeing the numbers drop - deaths, infections, hospitalisations

So they think the issue is going away and its safe to go and see Grandma

 

 

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The more I sit here and ponder the more worried I become.

Something doesn’t feel right.

I think the obsession with the economy and ‘normal life’ to return to normal is going to bite back hard with worse damage.

It’s funny how we as a planet always take the hard route. The damage in the west was done when we became more interested in celebrity’s and materialist ideals. This will be our downfall.

There is no trust left.

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Also part of Chelmsford open market is open as covered so people then walk to the market within the city the list makes the lockdown quite weak.

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  Market stalls which offer essential retail, such as grocery and food  
  my question is this is wrong what #other# Essential retail it leaves it open to abuse.

  
  

 

My small contribution to the data pot is TWO site traffic and revenue stats.

Comparing Week 16/04/2020 to 23/04/2020 vs Week 02/04/2020 to 09/04/2020

Unique users +18%
Revenue +18%

It suggests people are starting to drift back to a slightly more normal existence. On the other hand it would appear advertisers haven't yet turned on the spending taps. If they had the increase would be significantly greater. However, I would expect there to be a lag for various reasons.

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I agree but if every country had 'acted early' and prevented all but a a few cases then there wouldn't be much knowledge of the effects of the virus.  In a way we need some countries to suffer outbreaks of Covid-19 to build a meaningful amount of data from which to learn. I say this on the basis that simply relying on China isn't ideal for a number of reasons.

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What is car rentals on list for surly if no car find alternative travel or go without most should if possible be working at home another business open

 

The opinion polls suggest the opposite, don't they? People have expressed a quite understandable fear of the virus and an associated reluctance to return to normal.

I understand your desire to put a Machiavellian spin on the government's motives but I'm not sure that, under the intense glare of public and media scrutiny, they could get away with making announcements and claiming to have said something else. 

I think we will just keep returning to the same key judgment, i.e. balancing economic harm with a range of negative impacts, such as too much pressure on the NHS.

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I think there seems to be an assumption that the Government’s furlough scheme will not be extended beyond June.  On this basis, it feels like there is some inevitably that the lockdown will be eased towards the end of May, in order for the country to avoid mass unemployment and unprecedented hardship. 

This is an incredibly difficult issue. Many on here would be willing for the lockdown to continue for many months. I get that, as it would save as many lives as possible. On the other hand, I wouldn’t want to see the results in this country of the scenario whereby the lockdown is maintained, without the Government support continuing. 

This really is a nightmare situation and I cannot foresee an outcome which avoids a significant element of hardship, whether it’s the route of widespread loss of life, or mass unemployment and poverty. 

If the lockdown continues beyond June, I will lose my job. I feel horribly conflicted about this and it really is getting me down. 

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