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Darren S
24 April 2020 17:06:08


Just to let everyone know I am redesigning the JFF model. Here is the outline:


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


It looks like your model assumed that the decrease in cases would have the same gradient as the increase. To achieve that, the R0 number would have had to become the inverse; e.g. 3 to become 0.33 (1/3). Whatever the R0 number actually was before lockdown, it's now between 0.5 and 1.0 by all accounts.


Also, the R0 shouldn't, in theory, change post lockdown, unless there is a change to lockdown rules, or people gradually become better or less well behaved in complying. So if R0 is now 0.8, it has probably been like that or thereabouts since 23rd March. Of course the data would have been subject to the lag since then, as well as the gradual decrease prior to 23/3 as people unilaterally started social distancing. The traffic charts are a good indicator of whether it is changing.


I also think you're on a hiding to nothing trying to predict changes in the number of infections. If you were able to test the entire population daily, then it would. But the number of cases is likely to stay the same or increase, because of the increased number of tests coming online, as was said in this evening's press conference. Maybe modelling the number of people in hospital would be a better approach, because you'd like to think that the criteria for hospital admission in this case remains static?


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springsunshine
24 April 2020 17:12:11


 


If the furlough scheme stops AND the lockdown continues then vast, vast numbers of people will become unemployed. We are at a precipice. 


The state support will need to continue for as long as the lockdown lasts. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


The fact is Joe the state cannot keep this up for any length of time,it will be economic pressure that lifts this lockdown more than any other factors.

Phil G
24 April 2020 17:13:38


 


You mean 6.7 million. 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Yes. Crikey!

Gooner
24 April 2020 17:14:29


 


The OBR are predicting GDP to drop by 35% this Spring and they are expecting 2m to lose their jobs by June. 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Predicting and expecting ……..……………..two words often mentioned in the Model Output Thread 


Lets just wait and see shall we 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
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North Oxfordshire
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John p
24 April 2020 17:16:26
The first person I know personally has been admitted today to hospital with Covid-19 suffering breathing problems. I grew up with her on the same street and she is only 38 and a nurse.
Suddenly brings it all into reality 🙁
Camberley, Surrey
Gooner
24 April 2020 17:17:04


 


If the furlough scheme stops AND the lockdown continues then vast, vast numbers of people will become unemployed. We are at a precipice. 


The state support will need to continue for as long as the lockdown lasts. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


'IF' and maybe but we don't know , all I can say if what's going on with our customer base ( 500 ish ) and things around here 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


xioni2
24 April 2020 17:18:05

The FT estimate the current number of UK deaths at 45,200. Their method looks sound and they will try to do the same analysis for other countries too.


 



John p
24 April 2020 17:19:39


 


The pillar 2 cases are more likely to be mild or asymptomatic as they are tests by type of worker rather than symptoms


Originally Posted by: Chidog 


Ah, good point. 


Camberley, Surrey
Joe Bloggs
24 April 2020 17:19:44


 


'IF' and maybe but we don't know , all I can say if what's going on with our customer base ( 500 ish ) and things around here 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Hi Marcus, I guess a lot of it depends on the sector involved. 


 



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Gooner
24 April 2020 17:20:16


The FT estimate the current number of UK deaths at 45,200. Their method looks sound and they will try to do the same analysis for other countries too.


 




Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Oh blimey - not a good read 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
24 April 2020 17:21:48


 


Hi Marcus, I guess a lot of it depends on the sector involved. 


 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Hello mate , yes i guess it does 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


John p
24 April 2020 17:31:49

Revealed: Cummings is on secret scientific advisory group for Covid-19


The prime minister’s chief political adviser, Dominic Cummings, and a data scientist he worked with on the Vote Leave campaign for Brexit are on the secret scientific group advising the government on the coronavirus pandemic, according to a list leaked to the Guardian.


It reveals both Cummings and Ben Warner were among 23 attendees present at a crucial convening of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) on 23 March, the day Boris Johnson announced a nationwide lockdown in a televised address.


Multiple attendees of Sage told the Guardian that both Cummings and Warner had been taking part in meetings of the group as far back as February. The inclusion of Downing Street advisers on Sage will raise questions about the independence of its scientific advice.


Camberley, Surrey
The Beast from the East
24 April 2020 17:32:56


 


The fact is Joe the state cannot keep this up for any length of time,it will be economic pressure that lifts this lockdown more than any other factors.


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


Sunak and most of the Cabinet don't want to extend furlough past June. There is only so much borrowing you can do. It seems Boris is now the sticking point and born again lockdown convert. Perhaps his personal experience has altered his view


 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
KevBrads1
24 April 2020 17:34:41
Trump is now saying he was being sarcastic over his disinfectant comments.

The US death toll has just surpassed 50,000 and he thinks he's doing a fantastic job........
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Saint Snow
24 April 2020 17:37:29


 


This is one paragraph from a long speech about free trade. I'm not convinced the coronavirus reference was much more than an attempt to appear topical as the main point was in relation to trade barriers.  It does not seem to be any kind of statement about public health policy.


The full transcript is here.


Originally Posted by: RobN 


 


I'll still be circulating it as wideky as I can as part of creating a 'these c*nts aren't just evil, they're idiots as well' narrative. 


 



Martin
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speckledjim
24 April 2020 17:38:41


 


Predicting and expecting ……..……………..two words often mentioned in the Model Output Thread 


Lets just wait and see shall we 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


You’re preaching to the converted with that statement 😎


Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
John p
24 April 2020 17:38:42
The news that Cummings and his Vote Leave days buddy is on Sage is outrageous, especially when you consider that Sage are supposed to provide the government impartial advice.
Camberley, Surrey
xioni2
24 April 2020 17:39:01


Revealed: Cummings is on secret scientific advisory group for Covid-19


Originally Posted by: John p 


That's such a wrong thing to do. 

Bugglesgate
24 April 2020 17:39:53

Trump is now saying he was being sarcastic over his disinfectant comments.

The US death toll has just surpassed 50,000 and he thinks he's doing a fantastic job........

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


 


Bollox !   He was deadly serious.  The bloke is an utter nincompoop. 


Chris (It,its)
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Saint Snow
24 April 2020 17:40:55


 


Sunak and most of the Cabinet don't want to extend furlough past June. There is only so much borrowing you can do. It seems Boris is now the sticking point and born again lockdown convert. Perhaps his personal experience has altered his view


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


 


Given all they are doing is replacing GDP that is not being generated by productive economic activity, there's a compelling economic argument to use 'helicopter money' to pay for this in order to avoid an onerous deficit and borrowing burden.


Any inflationary pressure would be muted.



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
fairweather
24 April 2020 17:41:22

The problem with what Trump said is that he is supposed to be able to make rational judgements about situations that could lead to a World War. He is not capable of doing that. It is not possible for a man to have the thought that disinfectants that have been around for a couple of hundred years might simply be injected or swallowed  to cure diseases. Virtually everybody in the world over the  age of 10 would already have realised that.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
SJV
24 April 2020 17:41:45

Trump is now saying he was being sarcastic over his disinfectant comments.

The US death toll has just surpassed 50,000 and he thinks he's doing a fantastic job........

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


Well I'm assuming Phil and anyone else on here who defended his comments will now change their tune.


Even if you think he was simple thinking aloud suggestions to help, even Trump has shot that idea down. Turns out he was being sarcastic, which is a cover only the brainwashed could possibly believe, and I don't think we've got any on TWO.


He's trying to save face and steer the embarrassment away from himself, and he's not even doing a good job of that. 

Saint Snow
24 April 2020 17:43:09


Revealed: Cummings is on secret scientific advisory group for Covid-19


The prime minister’s chief political adviser, Dominic Cummings, and a data scientist he worked with on the Vote Leave campaign for Brexit are on the secret scientific group advising the government on the coronavirus pandemic, according to a list leaked to the Guardian.


It reveals both Cummings and Ben Warner were among 23 attendees present at a crucial convening of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) on 23 March, the day Boris Johnson announced a nationwide lockdown in a televised address.


Multiple attendees of Sage told the Guardian that both Cummings and Warner had been taking part in meetings of the group as far back as February. The inclusion of Downing Street advisers on Sage will raise questions about the independence of its scientific advice.


Originally Posted by: John p 


 


Cummings is pure malevolence. 



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
The Beast from the East
24 April 2020 17:43:39


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Polar Low
24 April 2020 17:44:46

That is not true Geoff and I know these things BOE has 200 billion in gold alone also has special arrangement with treasury under exceptional circumstances.


“It is welcome that the Bank of England is using its power to create money to directly finance government spending, after denying that such a tool was on the table.


it won’t be a problem, VAT returns yes a concern but not unmanageable 


Furlough will be extended if need.


 



 


Sunak and most of the Cabinet don't want to extend furlough past June. There is only so much borrowing you can do. It seems Boris is now the sticking point and born again lockdown convert. Perhaps his personal experience has altered his view


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

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