Very much agree on this one, MM - there must be loads of flow management methods to preserve social distancing. It's a huge industry that has been upskittled at the worst possible time - even mail orders have been affected.

Roger

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I've a feeling we're going to end up in some sort of limbo, where R0 hovers just below 1.0 - certainly more shops etc opening will cause it to get ever-closer.

As for people out and about, all I've seen so far through the window is the postie today, but one of my friends reports seeing groups of picknicers in her local orchard yesterday... groups of extended families, as she put it. (She was out walking her dogs, and she reports that there have gradually been more and more people around of late).

The longer this drags on, the more people will push to just let it rip IMO. People will want to see something happening and as we've seen already some are pushing the boundaries, if not walking right through them. I can't see BoJo's speech changing attitudes much...

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Exclusive: National alert as ‘coronavirus-related condition may be emerging in children’

 

 
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Alerts issued to GPs and children’s intensive care doctors
Very small numbers likely to have been affected
May be ’coronavirus related’ or a different ’infectious pathogen’ with similar characteristics  
Little known so far about the syndrome
A serious coronavirus-related syndrome may be emerging in the UK, according to an “urgent alert” issued to doctors, following a rise in cases in the last two to three weeks, HSJ has learned.

An alert to GPs and seen by HSJ says that in the “last three weeks, there has been an apparent rise in the number of children of all ages presenting with a multisystem inflammatory state requiring intensive care across London and also in other regions of the UK”. It adds: “There is a growing concern that a [Covid-19] related inflammatory syndrome is emerging in children in the UK, or that there may be another, as yet unidentified, infectious pathogen associated with these cases.”

Little is known so far about the issue, nor how widespread it has been, but the absolute number of children affected is thought to be very small, according to paediatrics sources. The syndrome has the characteristics of serious Covid-19, but there have otherwise been relatively few cases of serious effects or deaths from coronavirus in children. Some of the children have tested positive for Covid-19, and some appear to have had the virus in the past, but some have not.

The fact that many fewer children than adults have had serious illness with the virus or died remains the case.



 

https://www.hsj.co.uk/acute-care/exclusive-national-alert-as-coronavirus-related-condition-may-be-emerging-in-children/7027496.article 

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Key-cutting and repair firm Timpson is reopening 40 of its 2,150 outlets this week in supermarkets having closed all outlets March 22nd/23rd

There are a lot of quotes without comments attached. Are comments being deleted?

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Think the forum is partly broke some replies won't post

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Sorry. My fault. Should be ok now.

I've removed the test posts.

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I thought that key workers had been working throughout the lockdown?

 

 

My local independent garden centre closed for a week then re opened for deliveries only. The local garage then lent them two vans to help as their one was being overwhelmed.  I spoke to the owner yesterday, and she said that the summer bedding is 90% of what it was last year, so all in all she was pleased. 

Our Homebase opened at the weekend and was phone and collect. Anything in store was available, except for plants. All reports say this was doing well. 

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I'm interested in how the vaccine testing will work. I'm presuming a group of volunteers will be given the vaccine and a control group given a dummy placebo injection without any of them knowing who had the real vaccine. I presume, being the civilised UK we won't inject them with a dose of Covid-19 which could make them become very ill but will leave them to carry on as normal. (allowed to break the lockdown though?). I'm not sure if there is a first stage too just to make sure the injection has no harmful effects itself then they are exposed to the general population and see who gets it? That might be difficult if the true population infection level is as low as some are saying and falling.

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😂👍

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Encouraging study from Australia into transmission within schools - http://ncirs.org.au/sites/default/files/2020-04/NCIRS%20NSW%20Schools%20COVID_Summary_FINAL%20public_26%20April%202020.pdf

"SARS-CoV-2 transmission in children in schools appears considerably less than seen for other respiratory viruses, such as influenza. In contrast to influenza, data from both virus and antibody testing to date suggest that children are not the primary drivers of COVID-19 spread in schools or in the community."

I've seen HUGE caveats on that research due to big problems with its methodology. The jury is out on schools/kids. Research from Germany suggests they are infection hubs; other studies suggests limited transmission. More runs needed.

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It was the best the thread had ever been...

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  Thanks. Sorry for repeating the problem posts but couldn’t let you know any other way. 

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But doesn't that partly ignore the need to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed which would affect all ages?

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Nowhere near the heights of the "duplicate post" thread.

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Yep, we're in a halfway house situation in terms of measures that actually has the real potential to be a 'worst of all worlds' in not effectively tackling the spread of the virus without it 'ripping through' the population, whilst large chunks of the economy sink into the mire. This policy will prolong the need for some sort of restrictions, without ever really getting new infections and deaths down to the sort of low figures that many of our neighbours will be reporting in a month/two months time. Maybe that will lead to travel restrictions being imposed on people looking to leave the UK.

Perhaps when denied their holiday in Benidorm or Torremelinos the pensioners and scrotes will take this seriously...

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Clothing's on the most basic level of Maslow's hierarchy of needs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs#Physiological_needs

It's not overwhelmed they are dancing around in empty corridors and wards while people die waiting for routine ops.
The thousands of beds in nightingale hospitals have barely been used.

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