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Northern Sky
28 April 2020 13:10:02

Very interesting and encouraging news from Iceland - https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/hunting-down-covid-19/


"Children under 10 are less likely to get infected than adults and if they get infected, they are less likely to get seriously ill. What is interesting is that even if children do get infected, they are less likely to transmit the disease to others than adults. We have not found a single instance of a child infecting parents." 

fairweather
28 April 2020 13:11:33


 


Any govt in charge wouldn't win in certain people's eyes.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


...... and to prove I am not one to just follow a predetermined line I thought Johnson did ok yesterday. He was under tremendous pressure from the right of his Party, a lot of the right wing press and no doubt he feels some from Trump, to ease the lockdown, but he stood firm and to the plan. So a merit point there from me 


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Gavin D
28 April 2020 13:11:50

Last 3 Tuesday's like for like



  • 28th - 546

  • 21st - 778

  • 14th - 744

Gavin D
28 April 2020 13:13:01
The 552 patients in England were aged between 31 and 99 years old.

38 of the 552 patients aged between 36 and 99 years old had no known underlying health conditions when they tested positive for Covid-19
Gavin D
28 April 2020 13:17:01

The 552 deaths by region in England



  • North West 107

  • Midlands 99

  • London 88

  • North East & Yorkshire 87

  • South East 73

  • East of England 72

  • South West 26

Rob K
28 April 2020 13:24:15


New Zealand begins to normalise. Will they be able to keep the virus out? 


In the UK (and probably other countries) I suspect boredom with the corona virus outbreak is starting to grow. Consequently people could become increasingly careless in the coming days and weeks as lockdowns are eased. Will cases of the virus begin to spike again? 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Certainly seemed to be the case on Sunday as the family over the road had a birthday party, with all the guests (most of whom came by car) sitting out in the front garden! It looked like some attempt at distancing was made but there was no way they were 2 metres apart.


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Chunky Pea
28 April 2020 13:28:12


 


We have the highest death toll in Europe. Full stop.


 


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


You actually don't. Here is the latest data showing 10 ten Euro states of covid related deaths per 100,000 of total population. 





























































































OrderEU/EEA and the UKSum of CasesSum of DeathsReported cases per 100 000 populationReported deaths per 100 000 population
1Belgium466877207408.743863.1
2Spain20946523190448.305249.6
3Italy19941426977329.984744.6
4France12833923293191.587234.8
5United_Kingdom15714921092236.353431.7
6Netherlands382454518221.954426.2
7Ireland196481102404.820822.7
8Sweden189262274185.855622.3
9Luxembourg372988613.596914.5
10Portugal24027928233.68569.0

 


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fairweather
28 April 2020 13:28:43

The 552 patients in England were aged between 31 and 99 years old.

38 of the 552 patients aged between 36 and 99 years old had no known underlying health conditions when they tested positive for Covid-19

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Of that 552 I wonder what the underlying conditions were. I mean the ones in their 90's surely had the sheer underlying condition of age alone. Is everyone over 70 included in having an underlying condition.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
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28 April 2020 13:31:32


 


Certainly seemed to be the case on Sunday as the family over the road had a birthday party, with all the guests (most of whom came by car) sitting out in the front garden! It looked like some attempt at distancing was made but there was no way they were 2 metres apart.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


I've seen this locally here too. Makes no sense as all the kids run around together while the parents stand 1.99 m apart . Social distancing is impossible with young children.


 


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Rob K
28 April 2020 13:32:03


 


Of that 38 I wonder what the underlying conditions were. i mean the ones in their 90's surely had the sheer underlying condition of age alone.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


38 was the number with no underlying conditions. The remaining 514 did.


 


As for "lockdown fatigue", I can see why it is happening. For all that we read of the terrible death toll, for many, indeed most, people, they will not personally know anyone who has been seriously affected. Human nature is such that if s problem isn't directly affecting you and yours, then it is hard to take it seriously on an emotional level. And many people listen to their emotions rather than reason.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Sevendust
28 April 2020 13:33:52


 


You actually don't. Here is the latest data showing 10 ten Euro states of covid related deaths per 100,000 of total population. 





























































































OrderEU/EEA and the UKSum of CasesSum of DeathsReported cases per 100 000 populationReported deaths per 100 000 population
1Belgium466877207408.743863.1
2Spain20946523190448.305249.6
3Italy19941426977329.984744.6
4France12833923293191.587234.8
5United_Kingdom15714921092236.353431.7
6Netherlands382454518221.954426.2
7Ireland196481102404.820822.7
8Sweden189262274185.855622.3
9Luxembourg372988613.596914.5
10Portugal24027928233.68569.0

 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


The caveat being different reporting methods. Some only counting hospital deaths whilst others add those in the community. It would makes a significant disparity 

Phil G
28 April 2020 13:35:04


 


Journalists don't do themselves any favours when they sensationalise things - I don't count a 7% difference as "far higher".


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


That data is also 5 day rolling average and as we know even here daily deaths reported one day contain deaths from perhaps a week ago, maybe more. This means figures from 5 days ago are capturing deaths up to 12 days ago from today.

Gavin D
28 April 2020 13:39:21

Breakdown of the 546 new deaths announced today in England by date



  • 93 on April 27th

  • 213 on April 26th

  • 79 on April 25th

  • 141 between April 1st and April 24th

  • 20 in March with one on March 19th

Chunky Pea
28 April 2020 13:41:26


 


That data is also 5 day rolling average and as we know even here daily deaths reported one day contain deaths from perhaps a week ago, maybe more. This means figures from 5 days ago are capturing deaths up to 12 days ago from today.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


This itself a strange methodology to use. A five day rolling average should encompass the 5 previous data points from the present. 


Current Conditions
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Quantum
28 April 2020 13:43:12

Population density (relative to the UK)


Monaco: 55.5


Vatican city: 8.5


Malta: 5.3


San Marino: 2.0


Netherlands: 1.5


Belgium: 1.4


UK: 1


 


 


People compare the UK to Ireland yet Ireland has a relative population density of 0.27


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
The Beast from the East
28 April 2020 13:43:44

88 year old man murdered by suspected burglars dressed as emergency workers in Godstone Surrey


Lots of burglaries in the area recently, probably pikeys I'm guessing. Perhaps the same group that broke into my cars last Summer. Police didn't even come out even though I had CCTV footage


The police are useless. They allow these scum free reign. And this is supposed to be a Tory govt. So much for being tough on crime


I would love to buy a shotgun, but I don't know how to


 


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Chunky Pea
28 April 2020 13:44:39

 


People compare the UK to Ireland yet Ireland has a relative population density of 0.27


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Yet in terms of mortality rate, we rank 7th on that list I posted above. 


Current Conditions
https://t.ly/MEYqg 


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--Roger P, 12/Oct/2022
Phil G
28 April 2020 13:52:04


 


This itself a strange methodology to use. A five day rolling average should encompass the 5 previous data points from the present. 


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


I think it does, but the trouble is that furthest day 5 days ago probably captures deaths from a week before that, so 12 days from today. I see Gavin has put a post with historical deaths suggesting its a lot longer than that.

Darren S
28 April 2020 13:53:21

Based on England data only - you get the true sense of the decline in deaths since 8th April. Click on the "Play" button on the graph on the bottom.




Darren
Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)
South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
Gavin D
28 April 2020 13:53:29

Saint Snow
28 April 2020 13:58:29


The police are useless. They allow these scum free reign. And this is supposed to be a Tory govt. So much for being tough on crime


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


 


I'm hardly a blinkered fan of the police (having seen at first hand their 'bad side' a few times), but it's not always the police's fault. The judiciary is far too lenient on persistent petty criminals, especially those who commit 'routine' robberies/burglaries/assaults against individuals. It must be soul destroying for a detective to solve a string of burglaries but when the scumbag burglar is up in court and found/pleads guilty, they get a suspended sentence and token fine. Despite having its faults, I do have a liking for that '3 strikes and you're out' system they had (have?) in America.


I can never help, though, contrasting this with the generally much stiffer sentences for white collar crime against corporations (especially by their employees). I still starkly remember a few years ago a woman who lived close to us was jailed for 5 years for embezzling £80k from Nat West where she worked; she was addicted to gambling and it was her first offence. The next article in the local paper was a thug who'd beat to a pulp some lad at a taxi rank one Saturday night; the lad was hospitalised with fractured skull and other serious injuries and was still suffering months later. Despite a long list of previous convictions, the thug got about 50 hours community service and a slap on the wrist. In terms of impact on the victim, the crimes were universes apart, yet to me the sentences were the wrong way round.


But I digress wildly!



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Gavin D
28 April 2020 14:00:29
French shops and markets will reopen from May 11th. Restaurants & bars will remain closed.
llamedos
28 April 2020 14:02:35


 


 


I'm hardly a blinkered fan of the police (having seen at first hand their 'bad side' a few times), but it's not always the police's fault. The judiciary is far too lenient on persistent petty criminals, especially those who commit 'routine' robberies/burglaries/assaults against individuals. It must be soul destroying for a detective to solve a string of burglaries but when the scumbag burglar is up in court and found/pleads guilty, they get a suspended sentence and token fine. Despite having its faults, I do have a liking for that '3 strikes and you're out' system they had (have?) in America.


I can never help, though, contrasting this with the generally much stiffer sentences for white collar crime against corporations (especially by their employees). I still starkly remember a few years ago a woman who lived close to us was jailed for 5 years for embezzling £80k from Nat West where she worked; she was addicted to gambling and it was her first offence. The next article in the local paper was a thug who'd beat to a pulp some lad at a taxi rank one Saturday night; the lad was hospitalised with fractured skull and other serious injuries and was still suffering months later. Despite a long list of previous convictions, the thug got about 50 hours community service and a slap on the wrist. In terms of impact on the victim, the crimes were universes apart, yet to me the sentences were the wrong way round.


But I digress wildly!


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Totally agree, even if it is a tiny bit off topic.


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John p
28 April 2020 14:05:39

French shops and markets will reopen from May 11th. Restaurants & bars will remain closed.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Edit: Season cancelled and no football matches until at least August. 


Camberley, Surrey
llamedos
28 April 2020 14:07:42


88 year old man murdered by suspected burglars dressed as emergency workers in Godstone Surrey


Lots of burglaries in the area recently, probably pikeys I'm guessing. Perhaps the same group that broke into my cars last Summer. Police didn't even come out even though I had CCTV footage


The police are useless. They allow these scum free reign. And this is supposed to be a Tory govt. So much for being tough on crime


I would love to buy a shotgun, but I don't know how to


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Here:  https://gtshooting.wixsite.com/gt-shooting


Not sure you'd get a license though 


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