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fairweather
28 April 2020 19:09:38


This is the FT estimate of the daily number of all deaths linked to CV19 and as they keep saying, it's more likely to be an underestimate.



Originally Posted by: xioni2 


So we are close to the numbers when the lockdown started but in a slowly falling scenario rather than an exponentially rising one and the lag for the new cases is effectively in the opposite direction in a falling scenario.

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Bugglesgate
28 April 2020 19:10:15





Challenged in what way?   Do you think he didn't really mean what he said?  Or are you a journalist (in which case the answer is 12 whelks and a loaf of bread)


 


Originally Posted by: Essan 


 


Mmmmmm, whelks !  When I were a lad, you used to get them pickled in little jars at the  seaside.  Happier times  !


 

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fairweather
28 April 2020 19:18:14


Perspective of a sort...


Coronavirus deaths in London hit Blitz levels


The number of people killed by coronavirus in London in the four weeks to 17 April has narrowly surpassed the number of civilians killed during the worst four-week period of aerial bombing of the city during the Blitz in World War Two.


 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52282844


Originally Posted by: RobN 


Terrible as that is, it helps me understand how my mum managed to live through it whilst working at the Woolwich Arsenal and living in East London. She was also effectively a front line worker in this comparative context and probably braver and at a higher risk than my dad was as a radio mechanic in the RAF in Egypt. She never once mentioned that though. My daughter lives in London now.

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fairweather
28 April 2020 19:22:02

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/28/uk-contact-tracing-plans-an-nhs-app-and-an-army-of-health-staff?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Interesting. If this is done properly it will have a huge impact.

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Their track record on new IT systems isn't quite as good as Apple and Google though is it?

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Maunder Minimum
28 April 2020 19:28:28

Documentary on the WHO and this pandemic:


New world order coming.
Maunder Minimum
28 April 2020 19:30:45

The Chinese Communist Party is threatening a boycott of imports of Australian wine and beef if the country pushes ahead with an inquiry into the origins of the coronavirus pandemic. Australia’s proposed inquiry was proposed by Scott Morrison’s Liberal Party Government and is supported by the Labor Party opposition.


When interviewed in The Australian Financial Review, the Chinese Ambassador to Australia “refused to accept that the virus had started in a Wuhan wet market”, called Australia’s push for an inquiry into it “dangerous”, and claimed that “the Chinese public is frustrated, dismayed and disappointed with what Australia is doing now”. The Communist ambassador went on to threaten consumer boycotts and less tourism for Australia. If the Chinese Government is confident they are not to blame, then why are they so afraid of an inquiry?..


 

New world order coming.
Gandalf The White
28 April 2020 19:32:12


 


He said 20,000 deaths would be a "good result"


I'm sorry if you feel the govt should not be held to account. Perhaps you should move to NK or Russia?


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


So what 'challenge' do you have in mind?  Are you criticising him for making a statement? Or for being too optimistic? Or for the outcome (to date)?


He's not responsible for the outcome; that's down to poor policy choices by the government back in February and early March.


 


Please don't respond with your usual crass stupidity about me supporting or defending the government when it should be obvious, even to you, that I'm not.

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Essan
28 April 2020 19:36:06


 


He said 20,000 deaths would be a "good result"


I'm sorry if you feel the govt should not be held to account. Perhaps you should move to NK or Russia?


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 



And?

You don't think he meant it? 


btw are you aware he is NOT the government?   And that a prediction of "best case scenario" does not mean the person who made it should be burned at the stake if things turn out worse than that?    Ignorant heathen 

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Gandalf The White
28 April 2020 19:39:10


The Chinese Communist Party is threatening a boycott of imports of Australian wine and beef if the country pushes ahead with an inquiry into the origins of the coronavirus pandemic. Australia’s proposed inquiry was proposed by Scott Morrison’s Liberal Party Government and is supported by the Labor Party opposition.


When interviewed in The Australian Financial Review, the Chinese Ambassador to Australia “refused to accept that the virus had started in a Wuhan wet market”, called Australia’s push for an inquiry into it “dangerous”, and claimed that “the Chinese public is frustrated, dismayed and disappointed with what Australia is doing now”. The Communist ambassador went on to threaten consumer boycotts and less tourism for Australia. If the Chinese Government is confident they are not to blame, then why are they so afraid of an inquiry?..


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Because they know perfectly well that it started in Wuhan and that the CCP is culpable for the initial denial and attempts to suppress information.


The Chinese ambassador to the UK was interviewed today and there was the usual obfuscation; it was embarrassing to watch.


They're playing a dangerous game on several levels. Firstly their unsubtle bullying and threats show the regime in its true light. Secondly, they gain hugely from international trade and boycotts could backfire.


Of course they could threaten to ban imports of Australian coal and raw materials. I have no idea why that's not on their agenda...... 🤔 😉

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The Beast from the East
28 April 2020 19:39:47


 


So what 'challenge' do you have in mind?  Are you criticising him for making a statement? Or for being too optimistic? Or for the outcome (to date)?


He's not responsible for the outcome; that's down to poor policy choices by the government back in February and early March.


 


Please don't respond with your usual crass stupidity about me supporting or defending the government when it should be obvious, even to you, that I'm not.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


But the govt keeps saying "we are following the scientific advice". 


I'd like to know whether Vallance regrets making the statement and what he thinks went wrong. Perhaps that will have to wait for the public inquiry, if there is one, but there should be. 

"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Gandalf The White
28 April 2020 19:40:43




And?

You don't think he meant it? 


btw are you aware he is NOT the government?   And that a prediction of "best case scenario" does not mean the person who made it should be burned at the stake if things turn out worse than that?    Ignorant heathen 


Originally Posted by: Essan 


Careful, he'll be accusing you of supporting the government....


😉

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Gandalf The White
28 April 2020 19:42:34


 


But the govt keeps saying "we are following the scientific advice". 


I'd like to know whether Vallance regrets making the statement and what he thinks went wrong. Perhaps that will have to wait for the public inquiry, if there is one, but there should be. 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Yes, that's what the government keeps saying but that's very unlikely to be based his advice.


Hopefully painful lessons have been learned in readiness for the next wave(s).

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Phil G
28 April 2020 19:52:02


The Chinese Communist Party is threatening a boycott of imports of Australian wine and beef if the country pushes ahead with an inquiry into the origins of the coronavirus pandemic. Australia’s proposed inquiry was proposed by Scott Morrison’s Liberal Party Government and is supported by the Labor Party opposition.


When interviewed in The Australian Financial Review, the Chinese Ambassador to Australia “refused to accept that the virus had started in a Wuhan wet market”, called Australia’s push for an inquiry into it “dangerous”, and claimed that “the Chinese public is frustrated, dismayed and disappointed with what Australia is doing now”. The Communist ambassador went on to threaten consumer boycotts and less tourism for Australia. If the Chinese Government is confident they are not to blame, then why are they so afraid of an inquiry?..


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


And the world should threaten to shut its borders with China if they don't take responsibility. Honestly, all they are worried about is taking any hits financially. Their response to each nation isn't doing them any favours, the word threaten seems to becoming more prevalent when they talk to nations in isolation, flexing their muscles. When these nations start coming together as one perhaps they will take a little more notice. Not holding my breath though!

Bugglesgate
28 April 2020 19:53:48


 


Because they know perfectly well that it started in Wuhan and that the CCP is culpable for the initial denial and attempts to suppress information.


The Chinese ambassador to the UK was interviewed today and there was the usual obfuscation; it was embarrassing to watch.


They're playing a dangerous game on several levels. Firstly their unsubtle bullying and threats show the regime in its true light. Secondly, they gain hugely from international trade and boycotts could backfire.


Of course they could threaten to ban imports of Australian coal and raw materials. I have no idea why that's not on their agenda...... 🤔 😉


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 


And there you have it.  They are  dependent on Western demand, and they are dependent, to some extent, on Western supply.


The Chinese  authorities have always been terrified of stuttering economic growth. While things are going well, people are quite happy to "row with the flow".  When the wheels fall off,  people become more critical.  This is going to get unpleasant all round !

Chris (It,its)
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"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
The Beast from the East
28 April 2020 19:54:17


 


And the world should threaten to shut its borders with China if they don't take responsibility.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


Where can I get my new iPhone from then?

"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Bugglesgate
28 April 2020 19:55:36


 


Where can I get my new iPhone from then?


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Don't get one - buy one of these :-


https://www.fairphone.com/en/


That's what I'll be doing when my S5 finally died.


 


 

Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
Phil G
28 April 2020 19:58:21


 


Where can I get my new iPhone from then?


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Don't worry, we used to survive without mobile phones! I know you youngsters can't imagine a world without em! 😀

Gandalf The White
28 April 2020 20:08:06


 


Where can I get my new iPhone from then?


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


If the 'winds of change' blow strongly enough Apple will begin to source from somewhere else.  All the major electronics brands are very vulnerable to an anti-China mood, should it get sufficient momentum.


#BoycottChina

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28 April 2020 20:08:45


 


He said 20,000 deaths would be a "good result"


I'm sorry if you feel the govt should not be held to account. Perhaps you should move to NK or Russia?


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I took this to have the plain meaning that 20,000 deaths would be the minimum we could hope for  and that the outcome would quite likely be worse. So he was absolutely correct and should not be shot on sight

War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

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Gavin D
28 April 2020 20:08:59
"Lufthansa, one of the world’s most powerful airlines, is preparing to file for bankruptcy as talks intensify over an €8bn (£7bn) German government rescue. A potential court filing, known as Schutzschirm, would protect Lufthansa from creditors for three months as it restructures its finances.

The global airline industry is in turmoil after being brought to a near-standstill from the coronavirus pandemic. The precariously placed talks came as airline bosses warned of a "capacity crunch" that was delaying delivery of vital medical supplies."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/04/28/lufthansa-mulls-bankruptcy-bailout-talks-stall/ 
Gandalf The White
28 April 2020 20:11:45


 


Don't worry, we used to survive without mobile phones! I know you youngsters can't imagine a world without em! 😀


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


It's not the technology that's the issue, is it - it's just the same old same old of choosing the cheapest place to produce.


I've had iPhones for about 12 years now and they're a core part of my life, with music, email, calendar, photos and more.  Could I manage without one? Possibly - but it's like saying 'give up your car and use a horse and cart instead'.

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Gandalf The White
28 April 2020 20:15:05

"Lufthansa, one of the world’s most powerful airlines, is preparing to file for bankruptcy as talks intensify over an €8bn (£7bn) German government rescue. A potential court filing, known as Schutzschirm, would protect Lufthansa from creditors for three months as it restructures its finances.

The global airline industry is in turmoil after being brought to a near-standstill from the coronavirus pandemic. The precariously placed talks came as airline bosses warned of a "capacity crunch" that was delaying delivery of vital medical supplies."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/04/28/lufthansa-mulls-bankruptcy-bailout-talks-stall/


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


British Airways has announced plans to reduce its workforce by 12,000 (from around 40,000) citing the near-certainty that there won't be a quick bounce back once this pandemic starts to ebb.


I fear for large swathes of the travel and hospitality sector and those businesses which feed it, such as Boeing and Airbus.

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Brian Gaze
28 April 2020 20:27:19

There was an article in The Times either today or yesterday (can't immediately find it) saying that Chinese money is propping up an increasing number of public schools in the UK. It's another example of the dependencies which exist. Unravelling them IMO will be very hard and isn't likely to happen much. 

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Brian Gaze
28 April 2020 20:28:43


British Airways has announced plans to reduce its workforce by 12,000 (from around 40,000) citing the near-certainty that there won't be a quick bounce back once this pandemic starts to ebb.


I fear for large swathes of the travel and hospitality sector and those businesses which feed it, such as Boeing and Airbus.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Agree. I know I sound like a broken record but many people simply won't want to travel once restrictions are eased if the virus is still circulating widely.

Brian Gaze
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Polar Low
28 April 2020 20:28:50

Yes and for example in many important key health areas like cancer machines U.K. has 95% dominance.


it works both ways.



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And there you have it.  They are  dependent on Western demand, and they are dependent, to some extent, on Western supply.


The Chinese  authorities have always been terrified of stuttering economic growth. While things are going well, people are quite happy to "row with the flow".  When the wheels fall off,  people become more critical.  This is going to get unpleasant all round !


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