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Phil G
29 April 2020 11:57:42

Just been thinking Dorries/Cummings/Charles/Witty/Hancock/Johnson/maybe missed a few more and all celebrities. All these seemed to get infected quite quickly and in fairly close time to each other.
Now these people appear to be out of the woods, for now, is there anyone else in the limelight who has still not recovered or just gone down with the virus? I can't think of any, all complying with restrictions?
It seems to me there was a 'wave', and a fairly quick one at that as well.
It still does not defer the fact that c4k people are still being reported as new infected each day, but it'll be interesting to see exactly where these people are, and what's driving these very latest infections.

Gavin D
29 April 2020 12:01:49
83 new deaths in Scotland is 2nd highest daily total they've announced and the highest since April 15th
Brian Gaze
29 April 2020 12:12:21


Just been thinking Dorries/Cummings/Charles/Witty/Hancock/Johnson/maybe missed a few more and all celebrities. All these seemed to get infected quite quickly and in fairly close time to each other.
Now these people appear to be out of the woods, for now, is there anyone else in the limelight who has still not recovered or just gone down with the virus? I can't think of any, all complying with restrictions?
It seems to me there was a 'wave', and a fairly quick one at that as well.
It still does not defer the fact that c4k people are still being reported as new infected each day, but it'll be interesting to see exactly where these people are, and what's driving these very latest infections.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


I think Derek Draper remains in intensive care.


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Quantum
29 April 2020 12:16:03


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Quantum
29 April 2020 12:20:15

Who would have thought a guy that commented extensively on how unprepared the UK was for a pandemic and strongly critisized the civil service for being thoroughly unprepared over the last decade might have questioned why the UK didn't act faster....


 


 


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Quantum
29 April 2020 12:28:53

And before anyone is like 'herp derp, dominic cummings tried to influence SAGE'. No he didn't, the comment is tounge in cheek. Cummings asked scientists in SAGE why the lockdown shouldn't happen sooner. In response behavioural science was used to suggest fatigue if it happened too early.


The government obviously then went on to follow that advice.


Advice it turns out had some merit behind it given that behavioural fatigue is clearly real. Anyway this clearly puts a different spin on 'The Narrative TM'.


My personal view on the whole thing is that the government has made mistakes, but laying all this on dominic cummings is ridiculous. I also do not blame the scientists for using behavioural science to inform their views on whether the lockdown should be earlier or later. And as I've said before PHE must shoulder some of the blame for not properly engaging with the private sector until too late. A key reason Germany did better than the UK in this phase was through strong engagment with the private sector. The 'cult of the NHS' prevented that from happening until very recently.


 


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Quantum
29 April 2020 12:30:36

And I say 'this phase' because in the previous phase the UK was leading Europe. I haven't changed my mind on that either. During the containment phase no country in Europe did better than the UK. Since then we have arguably performed one of the worst during the delay phase and I've set out some of the reasons for that.


 


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bledur
29 April 2020 12:42:34



Livestock markets haven't been affected here except sellers and specatators not allowed inside, typically the number of serious buyers is quite small and they space themselves out round the ring.
Some layouts may not be as conducive to this arrangement.


Originally Posted by: four 


 Yes markets have been going on here on a drop and go policy but not for Breeding Stock up until today Regarding numbers in the ring it just shows how few genuine buyers there are when the ring is sometimes packed.

westv
29 April 2020 12:46:06

When are people guessing the advice to work from home if possible will change? I'm thinking July at the earliest.


At least it will be mild!
Maunder Minimum
29 April 2020 12:52:58


And before anyone is like 'herp derp, dominic cummings tried to influence SAGE'. No he didn't, the comment is tounge in cheek. Cummings asked scientists in SAGE why the lockdown shouldn't happen sooner. In response behavioural science was used to suggest fatigue if it happened too early.


The government obviously then went on to follow that advice.


Advice it turns out had some merit behind it given that behavioural fatigue is clearly real. Anyway this clearly puts a different spin on 'The Narrative TM'.


My personal view on the whole thing is that the government has made mistakes, but laying all this on dominic cummings is ridiculous. I also do not blame the scientists for using behavioural science to inform their views on whether the lockdown should be earlier or later. And as I've said before PHE must shoulder some of the blame for not properly engaging with the private sector until too late. A key reason Germany did better than the UK in this phase was through strong engagment with the private sector. The 'cult of the NHS' prevented that from happening until very recently.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Agree 100%, it is because it is Dominic Cummings - he is a red flag to a bull for Guardianistas. Should Boris aid Joe Bloggs have been attending SAGE meetings, there would have been little comment if any, but Dominic Cummings - oh boy - get the knives out!


 


New world order coming.
speckledjim
29 April 2020 13:00:24


When are people guessing the advice to work from home if possible will change? I'm thinking July at the earliest.


Originally Posted by: westv 


I’d imagine the advice to work from home if you can will continue until we have a vaccine. 


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Phil G
29 April 2020 13:00:36


 


Agree 100%, it is because it is Dominic Cummings - he is a red flag to a bull for Guardianistas. Should Boris aid Joe Bloggs have been attending SAGE meetings, there would have been little comment if any, but Dominic Cummings - oh boy - get the knives out!


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Another pantomine villain to hate! It's all very tribal. I thought West Ham v Millwall was bad enough, but politics, takes no prisoners!

Gavin D
29 April 2020 13:03:08
Scotland has reported 313 new cases and 83 new deaths
Gavin D
29 April 2020 13:04:09
Wales has reported 117 new cases and 73 new deaths
Gooner
29 April 2020 13:06:35


When are people guessing the advice to work from home if possible will change? I'm thinking July at the earliest.


Originally Posted by: westv 


We are certainly going to carry on advising people to work from home , the HSE are already visiting our customers and giving instructions on toilets and canteens - the longer people work from home the smaller the headache 


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Gooner
29 April 2020 13:07:37


 


I’d imagine the advice to work from home if you can will continue until we have a vaccine. 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Agreed , and if it works why change it .


I know it will save our company thousands a year in travel costs 


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The Beast from the East
29 April 2020 13:08:30


 


Out of interest - how old are you and Maunder? 


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Mid 40s, but I think Maunder is age matured Gammon


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SJV
29 April 2020 13:09:04



Originally Posted by: Quantum 



The whole thing reeks.

The Beast from the East
29 April 2020 13:09:40

Wales has reported 117 new cases and 73 new deaths

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


WTF?


Must be a typo?


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westv
29 April 2020 13:09:54


 


Agreed , and if it works why change it .


I know it will save our company thousands a year in travel costs 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


It's saving me fair bit in travel costs/London lodging.


At least it will be mild!
Gavin D
29 April 2020 13:10:17

NHS England has reported 445 new deaths down from 546 yesterday


 


 


Last Wednesday. NHS England reported 665 new deaths

Phil G
29 April 2020 13:10:40


When are people guessing the advice to work from home if possible will change? I'm thinking July at the earliest.


Originally Posted by: westv 


And it's what advice it is? I guess any suggestion to resume as normal will drive people back into the worst kind of places for infection such as using public transport. There would be some only too glad to go back to the work environment. Working remotely is all well and good, but working alongside colleagues is easier if you want to discuss things. Really depends on your business. Back to your question. Guess, End May but with caveats and instructions for certain sectors and ability to travel in isolation.

Phil G
29 April 2020 13:13:34


 


It's saving me fair bit in travel costs/London lodging.


Originally Posted by: westv 


Next announcements not too far away. Rail companies in trouble, reduced sales and no advance money on season tickets.

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29 April 2020 13:14:41


When are people guessing the advice to work from home if possible will change? I'm thinking July at the earliest.


Originally Posted by: westv 

I hope it won’t change!  I’m quite happy working in my conservatory and I’m hoping companies will have seen the benefit of not having to provide office space for all employees and having a less commuter stressed workforce.  Plus the obvious benefits to the environment of less congested roads and less polluted air.  The government should encourage it!


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Maunder Minimum
29 April 2020 13:14:43


 


 


The whole thing reeks.


Originally Posted by: SJV 


It is Cadwalladr who reeks! She has been in trouble so many times over her promulgation of batty conspiracy theories and she was actually taken to court by Aaron Banks for slander and libel.


 


New world order coming.

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