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01 May 2020 05:41:28

Here's to better news in  new month!


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Ulric
01 May 2020 05:56:21

One can't help feeling this will all accelerate the  crumbling of the  world trade edifice - it wasn't looking too good before all this.  If Trump gets another term I think we are going to see fundamental changes and probably even if he isn't.  Lots of people and countries are pretty hacked off with China just now.

The US and China are 2 bookends in the current set up, both are likely to suffer from its demise, not just China.

Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 



For me, this just demonstrates the central fallacy of the nationalist argument. Communications and transport technology have given us a world in which countries, even those physically distant from one another, are economically dependent. Global events such as the current pandemic require coordinated global responses and the nationalist predisposition not to cooperate for ideological reasons hurts us all.


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Ulric
01 May 2020 06:14:54

Meanwhile, in the Land of the Free.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/29/politics/florida-coronavirus-death-figures-withheld/index.html


The Florida Department of Health asked the Florida Medical Examiners Commission not to release the commission's comprehensive list of coronavirus deaths, the commission's chairman told CNN on Thursday.


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Brian Gaze
01 May 2020 06:31:25

To start the day on a positive note it is clear the target of 100,000 tests per day will be reached or almost reached.


Coronavirus: Government 'likely' to get close to or hit 100,000 tests target - Shapps


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52496227


It represents a massive improvement on where we were a few weeks ago now. The next steps must involve a more intelligent strategy and the use of antibody tests to take a "range shot". We also need to get the contact tracing teams working efficiently so that when infection numbers fall to manageable levels they are ready to go. The NHS app-ocalypse is also eagerly awaited, although I notice a tendency to downplay its importance in some quarters recently. 


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Retron
01 May 2020 06:56:55


Here's to better news in  new month!


Originally Posted by: DEW 


I suspect we'll end the month considerably looser (restriction wise) than we start it. Will we be able to keep R0 comfortably below zero? Only one way to find out!


Leysdown, north Kent
Maunder Minimum
01 May 2020 07:03:04
Morning all - this lockdown must be getting to me - had a very vivid dream last night that we were having a wild party at home with beer and booze and girls and music and we were all having a fine time when I suddenly remembered that we were supposed to be in lockdown - "LOCKDOWN" I shouted at the top of my voice and everybody laughed and shouted "WHAT LOCKDOWN?" and carried on partying. Then I woke up - pity.
 

I was wondering this morning what has happened to the legions of illegal migrants in this country. Presumably, they are not getting any income from illegal work and little from begging. I would hope that they are not eligible for any state benefits either. So what are they doing in the absence of the work they would normally be doing?


 

New world order coming.
doctormog
01 May 2020 07:06:55


 


I suspect we'll end the month considerably looser (restriction wise) than we start it. Will we be able to keep R0 comfortably below zero? Only one way to find out!


Originally Posted by: Retron 


I’d be happy keeping it below one. 


Maunder Minimum
01 May 2020 07:13:08


 


I’d be happy keeping it below one. 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Getting and keeping it below zero would be an interesting experiment


New world order coming.
Retron
01 May 2020 07:20:12


 


Getting and keeping it below zero would be an interesting experiment


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


D'oh! Yes, I did of course mean keeping it below 1. R zero, below one.... too many zeroes (I blame being groggy after getting up in the middle of the night to book a Tesco slot!)


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Ulric
01 May 2020 07:29:13
Will be released at 9:30 apparently...

https://www.ons.gov.uk/releases/spatialanalysisondeathsregisteredinvolvingcovid19 

Spatial analysis on deaths registered involving COVID-19
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Justin W
01 May 2020 07:32:50


Morning all - this lockdown must be getting to me - had a very vivid dream last night that we were having a wild party at home with beer and booze and girls and music and we were all having a fine time when I suddenly remembered that we were supposed to be in lockdown - "LOCKDOWN" I shouted at the top of my voice and everybody laughed and shouted "WHAT LOCKDOWN?" and carried on partying. Then I woke up - pity.
 

I was wondering this morning what has happened to the legions of illegal migrants in this country. Presumably, they are not getting any income from illegal work and little from begging. I would hope that they are not eligible for any state benefits either. So what are they doing in the absence of the work they would normally be doing?


 

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


There's nothing like the warmth of human kindness


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
xioni2
01 May 2020 07:36:07

Since various percentages are often mentioned for herd immunity, it's worth mentioning that it's a function of R0. The global mean R0 for SARS2 is estimated to be around 2.6 and that would require ~62% of the population to be immune.


Also R0 is only supposed to be used early in the epidemic when there is zero immunity. Then it becomes Re (the effective reproduction number) or Rt, which I guess is the reason why it's often referred simply as R.


Ulric
01 May 2020 07:41:23



I was wondering this morning what has happened to the legions of illegal migrants in this country. Presumably, they are not getting any income from illegal work and little from begging. I would hope that they are not eligible for any state benefits either. So what are they doing in the absence of the work they would normally be doing?

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


What about all the "legal" ones who bought passports to flee here from various justice systems and tax authorities?


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llamedos
01 May 2020 07:44:52

Just a reminder that Royal Mail Saturday letter deliveries are temporarily suspended from tomorrow


https://www.royalmail.com/coronavirus


 


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Maunder Minimum
01 May 2020 07:47:51


 


There's nothing like the warmth of human kindness


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


People who entered the country illegally, who then work illegally and pay no taxes or NICs, should not get a penny from the public purse.


New world order coming.
Justin W
01 May 2020 07:58:40


 


People who entered the country illegally, who then work illegally and pay no taxes or NICs, should not get a penny from the public purse.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Yeah. Let's pray they are all dead.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Ulric
01 May 2020 08:09:03


People who entered the country illegally, who then work illegally and pay no taxes or NICs, should not get a penny from the public purse.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Corporations registered in tax havens extract far more from the UK economy and cost far more in terms of lost tax revenue than all the illegal immigrants put together. They still stick their hands out for benefits though....


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xioni2
01 May 2020 08:13:53


 Corporations registered in tax havens extract far more from the UK economy and cost far more in terms of lost tax revenue than all the illegal immigrants put together. They still stick their hands out for benefits though....


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


They damage the public finances much more than illegal immigrants, but you won't hear Maunder et al talking about them much. Any company registered in a tax haven shouldn't get a penny of our money.


 

Maunder Minimum
01 May 2020 08:20:05


 


They damage the public finances much more than illegal immigrants, but you won't hear Maunder et al talking about them much. Any company registered in a tax haven shouldn't get a penny of our money.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


This is all deflection - I am not defending corporates which don't pay their dues (and something must be done about Amazon, Apple and Facebook to name but three), I am simply pointing out that those here illegally and not paying their dues to the rest of society don't deserve a penny from the state, other than a free flight back home should they request it.


If you recall, I was simply wondering what they are doing now all the black economy work they are engaged in has mostly dried up.


New world order coming.
Roger Parsons
01 May 2020 08:21:26


They damage the public finances much more than illegal immigrants, but you won't hear Maunder et al talking about them much. Any company registered in a tax haven shouldn't get a penny of our money.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


You would think this the simplest of rubrics to enshrine in law and operate in practice - xioni - but seemingly not.


Could there be a hidden agenda that we are missing? It's almost as it the offshore economy is government project!


R.


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The Beast from the East
01 May 2020 08:23:31


had a very vivid dream last night that we were having a wild party at home with beer and booze and girls 
 

 


 

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Any transgender types at this party of yours?


As for illegals, I assume they are still doing cash in hand work. Seems to be very little enforcement of anything round here


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Brian Gaze
01 May 2020 08:28:16

Perhaps Sweden has called this correctly? Have the rest of us panicked and overreacted?


Sweden is a model for the new coronavirus normal, says WHO


The World Health Organisation lavished praise on Sweden as “a future model” in the next phase of fighting the outbreak because it has trusted people to observe social distancing rules.


Uniquely in Europe, Sweden chose not to tackle the pandemic with an enforced lockdown even though the policy has led to a higher death toll than in Denmark and Norway.


Dr Mike Ryan, of the WHO emergencies team, said it was wrong to believe that Sweden had “just let the infection spread”, adding: “Nothing can be further from the truth. Sweden has set a very strong policy on public health, it is about physical distancing and how to protect the elderly in various nursing homes and much more.”


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sweden-is-a-model-for-the-new-coronavirus-normal-says-who-dd8fgw7d0


 


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Ulric
01 May 2020 08:29:17


 


You would think this the simplest of rubrics to enshrine in law and operate in practice - xioni - but seemingly not.


Could there be a hidden agenda that we are missing? It's almost as it the offshore economy is government project!


R.


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


What was that about in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind and out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect?


Hmmm....


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Brian Gaze
01 May 2020 08:29:26


As for illegals, I assume they are still doing cash in hand work. Seems to be very little enforcement of anything round here


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Without getting into the rights and wrongs I am sure the black stuff is thriving at the moment.


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David M Porter
01 May 2020 08:31:16


Just a reminder that Royal Mail Saturday letter deliveries are temporarily suspended from tomorrow


https://www.royalmail.com/coronavirus


 


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


Thanks for advising us of this, John.


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