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Polar Low
04 May 2020 13:40:29

My worry is as we try to hit the ground the fear of trade war it usually pushes investors towards safety bets and gold sits at the top of this ladder. No one wants to see a hostile situation surging but the US officials are on course to play with fire.


If the possibility of having a vaccine became a reality by the end of this year, it would surely support market optimism regardless and hopefully I would have thought.




I still think the compelling evidence is that the virus started via animal to human transmission via the wet food/live animal markets in China and most likely Wuhan. Taking everything else into account surely this is where the main pressure should be put to change practices. People say it is difficult because it is a cultural thing. There are some funny human beings out there then because I love my fish and chips from a proper "chippy" but as sure as hell if I thought I was going to get a deadly virus from there you wouldn't get me anywhere near it !!


Originally Posted by: fairweather 

speckledjim
04 May 2020 13:44:39

Buzzfeed have got hold of all 7 of the draft government documents on their plan to ease lockdown in workplaces

Customers would be encouraged to shop alone is one of the many plans drawn up

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

">https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/governments-draft-plan-to-ease-lockdown-workpace-in-full


Interesting. 2 takeaways for me, bars and restaurants will not be opening anytime soon and the advice that offices should not hotdesk. Hotdesking has been the growing policy for many offices over the past years so it’ll be interesting how they respond to that.

Thorner, West Yorkshire


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fairweather
04 May 2020 13:45:13

Whatever you think of our daily briefings and how staged they are you have to admire the good old British politeness. The ineptitude of the questioners has often matched that of the government responders but there are never any heated excchnges. All "thank you for your excellent question .... " ...and is there anything else you would like to ask? .." Compare that with the US ones where it is just full of boasting, name calling , cutting people off and just plain ignorance Whatever we think of having closer ties with the US it is clear we will not get dragged down to their level!

S.Essex, 42m ASL
westv
04 May 2020 13:45:38

On another forum I frequent I posted a thread on their "Coronavirus Forum" which had "CV" in the headline and I was asked to change the "CV" to Coronavirus or Covid19 as the mods didn't know what I meant by "CV".

At least it will be mild!
Gavin D
04 May 2020 13:54:27

The latest rolling graph with newly announced deaths for hospitals in England


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fairweather
04 May 2020 13:58:31


On another forum I frequent I posted a thread on their "Coronavirus Forum" which had "CV" in the headline and I was asked to change the "CV" to Coronavirus or Covid19 as the mods didn't know what I meant by "CV".


Originally Posted by: westv 


Blimey, even dimmer than ours 

S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
04 May 2020 14:04:22




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


 


Exactly. The SUN just don't get how that makes the famlies of the 28,000 dead feel. Like they didn't give a s*&t about their loved ones and had no will. There are old people who have no will to live and just want to die and are tortured to go on for years. There is no such thing as "will to live."

S.Essex, 42m ASL
Essan
04 May 2020 14:11:08


On another forum I frequent I posted a thread on their "Coronavirus Forum" which had "CV" in the headline and I was asked to change the "CV" to Coronavirus or Covid19 as the mods didn't know what I meant by "CV".


Originally Posted by: westv 



Assuming it's the one I just read then I see someone else has been pulled up for posting a headline (also from the Guardian) that uses the ancient, derogatory and extremely offensive term "disabled" 

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westv
04 May 2020 14:17:29




Assuming it's the one I just read then I see someone else has been pulled up for posting a headline (also from the Guardian) that uses the ancient, derogatory and extremely offensive term "disabled" 


Originally Posted by: Essan 


Yes same one.


Overall it's a very useful site but some of the Mods can be very anal about interpreting the rules.

At least it will be mild!
Gandalf The White
04 May 2020 14:21:16


 


Ah, yes, her. I saw that, it was a couple of weeks ago. She is very good. Fingers crossed that they actually get some of the volunteers infected. 


It was easy for Jenner. He just got some poor unsuspecting child, gave them the vaccination (cow pox) and injected him with smallpox, the biggest all time viral killer. Thankfully it worked!


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


I understood that it was observed that milk maids never caught smallpox and that led to the discovery of cow pox and the subsequent cure.  I think the risk associated with the test on the child was extremely low.

Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
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Gavin D
04 May 2020 14:23:33

Deaths by age group in England's hospitals



  • 0-19 - 11

  • 20-39 - 152

  • 40-59 - 1,706

  • 60-79 - 8,310 (1 is awaiting verification)

  • 80+ - 11205


Total 21,384

Gandalf The White
04 May 2020 14:23:36


Whatever you think of our daily briefings and how staged they are you have to admire the good old British politeness. The ineptitude of the questioners has often matched that of the government responders but there are never any heated excchnges. All "thank you for your excellent question .... " ...and is there anything else you would like to ask? .." Compare that with the US ones where it is just full of boasting, name calling , cutting people off and just plain ignorance Whatever we think of having closer ties with the US it is clear we will not get dragged down to their level!


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


To be fair, most of those negative traits are linked with Trump and his administration of like-minded people.

Location: South Cambridgeshire
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Brian Gaze
04 May 2020 14:29:20

About 1.8 million people living in Germany must have been infected, more than 10 times the number of about 160,000 confirmed cases so far, the team led by medical researchers Hendrik Streeck and Gunther Hartmann concluded. [source: Guardian]


So that's just over 2% of the population I think.

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Caz
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04 May 2020 14:33:21


 


It wouldn't mean it didn't start in China. Plenty of people would have left China for holidays in any case. It just means China closing its International borders sooner wouldn't have prevented the pandemic.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 

There are also reports of cases in China being traced back to November 17th, after they did re-testing there of historical cases. The USA also reported earlier cases following re-testing.  How true these reports are just leaves to be seen but it’s my view that by the time it was identified it had already spread hundreds, possibly thousands of miles from it’s source.  Patient zero has never been found. 

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04 May 2020 14:35:37


Last 4 Monday's like for like in England for hospital deaths



  • 4th - 204

  • 27th - 329 

  • 20th - 482

  • 13th - 667


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

That’s coming down nicely!  

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speckledjim
04 May 2020 14:42:58
Just been reading the Irish proposals for the opening of cafes/restaurants and bars. They plan to allow cafes/restaurants to open in phase 3 which is currently planned for 29/06. However, pubs are not due to reopen until phase 5 (10/08). Pubs are not happy about that and are due to meet government officials this week to discuss their plans.

Under their proposals, bar areas in pubs will become ‘dispense’ areas only, with no sitting, standing, ordering, payment or drinking at the bar allowed.
No more than four people would be allowed for every 10 square metres in a premises, with table service a requirement in all pubs, which would only serve a maximum of six customers seated at tables.
Live music and DJs would not be allowed and there would be possible limits on the number of people using toilets at any one time.
Meanwhile, customers would be required to use hand sanitiser upon entering a pub, and staff would be required to wash their hands every 30 minutes and to maintain a safe distance from customers.
Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Joe Bloggs
04 May 2020 14:53:11



Under their proposals, bar areas in pubs will become ‘dispense’ areas only, with no sitting, standing, ordering, payment or drinking at the bar allowed.
No more than four people would be allowed for every 10 square metres in a premises, with table service a requirement in all pubs, which would only serve a maximum of six customers seated at tables.
Live music and DJs would not be allowed and there would be possible limits on the number of people using toilets at any one time.
Meanwhile, customers would be required to use hand sanitiser upon entering a pub, and staff would be required to wash their hands every 30 minutes and to maintain a safe distance from customers.

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


One wonders what's the point in actually opening?


A pub as you describe is completely pointless - people would rather be at home. 


Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL
speckledjim
04 May 2020 14:55:54


 


One wonders what's the point in actually opening?


A pub as you describe is completely pointless - people would rather be at home. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


I guess it depends on what you personally use a pub for. For me it’s about socialising with friends so those proposals would work ok for me. I’d be delighted too with table service.

Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Brian Gaze
04 May 2020 14:57:20


 


One wonders what's the point in actually opening?


A pub as you describe is completely pointless - people would rather be at home. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Completely agree. 

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fairweather
04 May 2020 15:09:35


 


I understood that it was observed that milk maids never caught smallpox and that led to the discovery of cow pox and the subsequent cure.  I think the risk associated with the test on the child was extremely low.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


It was a big leap of faith knowing that milk maids were immune to smallpox to physically injecting a child with smallpox! Smallpox was infinitely worse than Covid-19 as well.

S.Essex, 42m ASL
Joe Bloggs
04 May 2020 15:09:37


 


I guess it depends on what you personally use a pub for. For me it’s about socialising with friends so those proposals would work ok for me. I’d be delighted too with table service.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


We'll see how things evolve.


I just get the impression that things will become very nervy & stressful in a pub very quickly with all these additional rules. To be frank once people have had a few it'll just be unworkable in my view.


A gastro type pub may be a little easier.


Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL
idj20
04 May 2020 15:12:14


 


One wonders what's the point in actually opening?


A pub as you describe is completely pointless - people would rather be at home. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 



It's like what I said before, given the nature of a certain local pub as well as a nearby night club . . . let's put it this way, our streets has been so much quieter in weekends since the lock down started, it's almost quite bliss.

Actually, that aforementioned well dodgy pub (called Gillespie's) is now all boarded up with notice of closure, so I'm kind of hoping the night club will follow suit. The whole area will be so much better off for it in terms of lack of rowdiness but it also relies on custom via foodie type bars and there are (or rather, were) a lot of them around here, so things may not be the same. I think that bubble might have been burst.

Folkestone Harbour. 
speckledjim
04 May 2020 15:21:22




It's like what I said before, given the nature of a certain local pub as well as a nearby night club . . . let's put it this way, our streets has been so much quieter in weekends since the lock down started, it's almost quite bliss.

Actually, that aforementioned well dodgy pub (called Gillespie's) is now all boarded up with notice of closure, so I'm kind of hoping the night club will follow suit. The whole area will be so much better off for it in terms of lack of rowdiness but it also relies on custom via foodie type bars and there are (or rather, were) a lot of them around here, so things may not be the same. I think that bubble might have been burst.


Originally Posted by: idj20 


I would imagine that many nightclubs will close down as I can’t imagine them  being allowed to reopen until next year.

Thorner, West Yorkshire


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idj20
04 May 2020 15:34:22


 


I would imagine that many nightclubs will close down as I can’t imagine them  being allowed to reopen until next year.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 



Local councils are going to struggle with the lack of rental revenue. A whole new way of thinking is going to be required in the coming months. 

Folkestone Harbour. 
westv
04 May 2020 15:38:24


 


I would imagine that many nightclubs will close down as I can’t imagine them  being allowed to reopen until next year.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


A new craze, hazmat clubs?

At least it will be mild!

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