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JHutch
06 May 2020 14:46:30


 


We were also told at the time (mid-March)  that there is no scientific evidence that banning mass events makes a difference. They never provided any evidence or source for this and almost everything suggests that mass events accelerate epidemics.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Yep, as an example see the video in the tweet below, starting from 3:06.


 



Caz
  • Caz
  • Advanced Member
06 May 2020 14:54:58


 


Hi Caz - yes, it was partly your experience which prompted me to write to my MP about the lack of UK port screening - "no point" was the eventual response to that, yet now they are suddenly in favour of the idea - the full article in The Times:


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-heathrow-airport-to-introduce-temperature-scanners-kr2hbf58t


"Heathrow will introduce temperature scanners in terminals within two weeks as part of its lockdown exit plan, it was announced today.


..."


This in my mind is the real scandal, rather than all the froth about PPE and ICU beds - if (as an island nation) we had taken early and prompt measures of border control, we may have been able to control the spread of the virus via the existing testing, track and trace operations which were in place until it got out of control.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

Yes, that probably would have been of benefit.  You said at the time you felt we should have closed our borders, which I didn’t agree with and still don’t.  I don’t think that would have stopped the spread because I believe it was here some time before we identified it and nobody on earth would have imagined it would get this bad, so the public would have seen it as overkill.


However, border control certainly should have been tightened early to include screening and temperature screening wouldn’t have been difficult.  If test and trace had been introduced at that stage it would have been easier to implement, with us having fewer cases.  All makes sense with hindsight though and I think the current government, albeit with mistakes, have dealt with it as well as anyone could have. 

Market Warsop, North Nottinghamshire.
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Phil G
06 May 2020 14:55:01


 


They are not "Syrian war refugees", they are illegal migrants trying to invade from Calais. Of those who make it, hardly any are actually from a war zone and pretty well none are from Syria.


But on the wider topic - I have averred from the outset that we should have had border controls to counter COVID-19.


P.S. If they are starving, that is their own bloody fault - if they were prepared to register in France, Belgium, Holland or Germany, they would be looked after!!!!!!


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Just had this image from the film Clash of the Titans, the 1981 version where Perseus (Harry Hamlin) gets in the boat (migrants) and pays the skeleton ferryman (drug runner equivalent dinghy captain) and on his way to an island to meet Medusa (the UK where a deadly disease lurks).


 

speckledjim
06 May 2020 14:55:54


 


It was I understand originally penned in for 08 May 2020. There is clearly some caution and nervousness there and understandably so.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


No surprise after 10 positive tests in the top 2 divisions. 

Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Gavin D
06 May 2020 15:37:08
A new government hashtag is now in use gone is Stay at Home Save Lives in is Stay Safe Save Lives
CreweCold
06 May 2020 15:44:22

A new government hashtag is now in use gone is Stay at Home Save Lives in is Stay Safe Save Lives

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Ridiculous. Staying safe is dependent on the actions of the idiots around you. You can try and be as safe as you like but it only takes one moron out and about when they shouldn't be and you find yourself infected.


Crewe, Cheshire
55 metres above sea level
pfw
  • pfw
  • Advanced Member
06 May 2020 15:44:37

Very bitter comments by the global head of a TB eradication group about the prioritization of coronavirus:


https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/may/06/millions-develop-tuberculosis-tb-covid-19-lockdown


From the article



Up to 6.3 million more people are predicted to develop TB between now and 2025 and 1.4 million more people are expected to die as cases go undiagnosed and untreated during lockdown.


Guardian wrote:


 

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Paul.
Joe Bloggs
06 May 2020 15:49:13


 


This provides historical data per local authority area (scroll all the way down)
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-tracker-how-many-cases-are-in-your-area-updated-daily-11956258


This does so in a more graphical way, but unfortunately they seem to have recently broken the ability to see the numbers change in each area other than with a colour on the map.
https://www.covidlive.co.uk/


As I've been saying for some time, about a month ago London boroughs filled all Top 15 spaces and 27 out of the top 29 (by cases per head of population). Now areas in the North East make up 4 of the Top 5, and northern locations 7 of the top 10. In short the NW and NE is now where the outbreak is gathering pace.


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Cheers Darren. 


Some interesting figures for the city regions in the north.


Greater Manchester - 51 per 100,000


Merseyside - 58 per 100,000


West Yorks - 37 per 100,000


Tyne & Wear - 59 per 100,000


South Yorks - 39 per 100,000


In Greater Manchester - Manchester itself and Tameside least affected. Both boroughs have some more affluent areas but some extremely deprived ones too.


Sunderland looks bad, 441 for every 100,000. 


 


Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL
Gavin D
06 May 2020 16:04:16

UK data



  • 13,615 in hospital down from 13,922 yesterday

  • 69,463 tests yesterday

  • 6,111 new cases

  • 649 all settings deaths

Gavin D
06 May 2020 16:06:33

Italy



  • 1,444 new cases 

  • 369 new deaths 

Gavin D
06 May 2020 16:08:51

All settings deaths on the last 5 Wednesday's



  • 649

  • 795

  • 837

  • 842

  • 1,034 

speckledjim
06 May 2020 16:13:22


UK data



  • 13,615 in hospital down from 13,922 yesterday

  • 69,463 tests yesterday

  • 6,111 new cases

  • 649 all settings deaths


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Too many new cases....

Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Heavy Weather 2013
06 May 2020 16:13:55


UK data



  • 13,615 in hospital down from 13,922 yesterday

  • 69,463 tests yesterday

  • 6,111 new cases

  • 649 all settings deaths


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


So testing is going backwards and new cases up. Can’t get my head around it.

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Gavin D
06 May 2020 16:17:47
NHS England has reported 236 non hospital deaths
Gavin D
06 May 2020 16:22:23

Daily slides


Daily tests



New cases



Transport



People in hospital



ICU beds



All settings deaths with a rolling 7-day average


xioni2
06 May 2020 16:23:00

Plenty of criticism of Britain's handling of the epidemic from various European countries, Australia and New Zealand. 

RobN
  • RobN
  • Advanced Member
06 May 2020 16:23:46


 


Yep, as an example see the video in the tweet below, starting from 3:06.


 




Originally Posted by: JHutch 


It would be very interesting to know how and when the scientific advice changed.


The government mantra of mass gatherings having no impact on the spread of the virus was widely promulgated in early March.


There are many examples where this advice was quoted in defence of mass gatherings going ahead.


Scottish rugby fans safe to attend France Six Nations match, says chief medical officer


Dr Catherine Calderwood said she had "very carefully" studied the scientific evidence and there was "very little impact on virus spread from mass gatherings."


She said this was particularly the case where the events were held in the open air and concluded: "This is not a risk to the Scottish population in hosting this match."


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/05/scottish-rugby-fans-safe-attend-france-six-nations-match-says/


Also,


Email reveals why Cheltenham Festival continued despite COVID-19 threat


The email also quoted medical advice from the chief medical officer of Scotland, Catherine Calderwood, who had previously said: "There is actually very little impact on virus spread from mass gatherings, particularly if they are in the open air."


https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/cheltenham-news/cheltenham-festival-directors-cite-boris-4035672


 

Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
Gavin D
06 May 2020 16:46:54

Regional data for new cases today in England


The 7 English regions 



  • London + 117 (0.5%) 25,357

  • Midlands +217 (1.0%) 21,443

  • North West +232 (1.1%) 21,000

  • North East and Yorkshire +243 (1.2%) 19,872

  • South East +510 (2.8%) 18,509

  • East of England +151 (1.3%) 11,390

  • South West +69 (1.0%) 6,726


The 10 local areas with the highest cases



  1. Kent +367 (9.4%) 3,911

  2. Lancashire +48 (1.6%) 3,010

  3. Birmingham +23 (0.8%) 2,977

  4. Hampshire +29 (1.0%) 2,944

  5. Essex +26 (1.0%) 2,725

  6. Surrey +30 (1.1%) 2,677

  7. Hertfordshire +23 (0.9%) 2,434

  8. Sheffield +2 (0.1%) 2,250

  9. Cumbria +5 (0.2%) 2,012

  10. Staffordshire +22 (1.2%) 1,865


The 10 local areas with the lowest cases



  1. Rutland +1 (4.3%) 23

  2. North East Lincolnshire 137 - No change

  3. Isle of Wight +1 (0.7%) 146

  4. Torbay 209 - No change

  5. Hartlepool +6 (2.8%) 216

  6. Bath and North East Somerset +2 (0.9%) 219

  7. Bracknell Forest +3 (1.3%) 225

  8. North Somerset +1 (0.4%) 258

  9. Calderdale +1 (0.4%) 260

  10. Windsor and Maidenhead +3 (1.1%) 264

Chidog
06 May 2020 16:47:56
The open air argument at Cheltenham is just laughable. She's clearly never been. Most people get there on a packed train, spend most of the time at the racecourse inside getting larried and then spend all night in the pub. Hard to imagine a more conducive day for spreading viruses
CreweCold
06 May 2020 17:02:17


Regional data for new cases today in England


The 7 English regions 



  • London + 117 (0.5%) 25,357

  • Midlands +217 (1.0%) 21,443

  • North West +232 (1.1%) 21,000

  • North East and Yorkshire +243 (1.2%) 19,872

  • South East +510 (2.8%) 18,509

  • East of England +151 (1.3%) 11,390

  • South West +69 (1.0%) 6,726


The 10 local areas with the highest cases



  1. Kent +367 (9.4%) 3,911

  2. Lancashire +48 (1.6%) 3,010

  3. Birmingham +23 (0.8%) 2,977

  4. Hampshire +29 (1.0%) 2,944

  5. Essex +26 (1.0%) 2,725

  6. Surrey +30 (1.1%) 2,677

  7. Hertfordshire +23 (0.9%) 2,434

  8. Sheffield +2 (0.1%) 2,250

  9. Cumbria +5 (0.2%) 2,012

  10. Staffordshire +22 (1.2%) 1,865


The 10 local areas with the lowest cases



  1. Rutland +1 (4.3%) 23

  2. North East Lincolnshire 137 - No change

  3. Isle of Wight +1 (0.7%) 146

  4. Torbay 209 - No change

  5. Hartlepool +6 (2.8%) 216

  6. Bath and North East Somerset +2 (0.9%) 219

  7. Bracknell Forest +3 (1.3%) 225

  8. North Somerset +1 (0.4%) 258

  9. Calderdale +1 (0.4%) 260

  10. Windsor and Maidenhead +3 (1.1%) 264


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


That's a big increase in the SE


Crewe, Cheshire
55 metres above sea level
xioni2
06 May 2020 17:05:42

The open air argument at Cheltenham is just laughable. She's clearly never been. Most people get there on a packed train, spend most of the time at the racecourse inside getting larried and then spend all night in the pub. Hard to imagine a more conducive day for spreading viruses

Originally Posted by: Chidog 


Indeed. The truth may well be that they were pursuing a herd immunity strategy until mid March and they just don't want to acknowledge it. If mass gatherings don't affect the spread of the virus, then I am sure they will be allowed again when the lockdown is lifted. They won't be of course  

JHutch
06 May 2020 17:13:01

Kent +367 cases is the reason for the big surge in the south-east. Not sure why that is, probably an admin reason, they have had fewer cases in the last 10 days or so.


 

picturesareme
06 May 2020 17:17:30
Prof Yvonne Doyle reiterates his point: "Other countries measure the virus in different ways - It makes international comparisons very difficult."

Yep in this country if you die and your infected then your a coronavirus death statistic. Other countries if you die whilst infected your only a statistic if proven to have died as a result of coronavirus.
xioni2
06 May 2020 17:24:19



Yep in this country if you die and your infected then your a coronavirus death statistic. Other countries if you die whilst infected your only a statistic if proven to have died as a result of coronavirus.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Can you name some countries that do this? I don't know of any.

picturesareme
06 May 2020 17:31:14


 


Can you bane some countries that do this? I don't know of any.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Italy does it, and the Americans.


Very early on a read a report on why it was Germany had a lower death rate to Italy, and Italian (Dr or similar) said that they were recording any death were coronavirus was present as a coronavirus death whereas Germany weren't.


Watched a video recently with some U.S Dr's recently talking about fellow colleagues being pressured into writing coronavirus on death certificates even when they didn't believe it to be the cause..


 

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