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The Beast from the East
06 May 2020 17:32:21


 


Can you name some countries that do this? I don't know of any.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


The govt is once again asking these "experts" to spin for them. Cummings is operating this and most of the supine lemmings in the media and wider public fall for it


 

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The Beast from the East
06 May 2020 17:34:28


 


Watched a video recently with some U.S Dr's recently talking about fellow colleagues being pressured into writing coronavirus on death certificates even when they didn't believe it to be the cause..


 


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Was this from Facebook?


A lot of fake stuff circulating from the alt right anti lockdown movement


 

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The Beast from the East
06 May 2020 17:36:30


Kent +367 cases is the reason for the big surge in the south-east. Not sure why that is


 


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


Justin's elderly neighbours flouting lockdown

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Gavin D
06 May 2020 17:37:50

UK data



  • Number of tests - 64,463

  • People tested - 57,006

  • Positive - 6,111


Confirmed rate for positive tests has increased to 10.72%

Caz
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06 May 2020 17:38:51


 


So testing is going backwards and new cases up. Can’t get my head around it.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

But we’re not just testing those in hospital now and hospital admissions are down, so that suggests a lot of the new cases are mild.

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RobN
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06 May 2020 17:39:11


 


Indeed. The truth may well be that they were pursuing a herd immunity strategy until mid March and they just don't want to acknowledge it. If mass gatherings don't affect the spread of the virus, then I am sure they will be allowed again when the lockdown is lifted. They won't be of course  


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Well believe it or not according the current govt guidance on this published 16th March the risk of transmitting the disease at mass gatherings is relatively low - the restriction is intended to alleviate pressure on the emergency services deployed at these events.


COVID-19 guidance for mass gatherings


In line with the social distancing guidance it is advised that large gatherings should not take place. While the risks of transmitting the disease at mass gatherings are relatively low, these steps will also allow emergency services that would have been deployed for these events to be prioritised in alleviating pressure on public services.


https://www.gov.uk/guidance/covid-19-guidance-for-mass-gatherings


 


 

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David M Porter
06 May 2020 17:39:52


 


It would be very interesting to know how and when the scientific advice changed.


The government mantra of mass gatherings having no impact on the spread of the virus was widely promulgated in early March.


There are many examples where this advice was quoted in defence of mass gatherings going ahead.


Scottish rugby fans safe to attend France Six Nations match, says chief medical officer


Dr Catherine Calderwood said she had "very carefully" studied the scientific evidence and there was "very little impact on virus spread from mass gatherings."


She said this was particularly the case where the events were held in the open air and concluded: "This is not a risk to the Scottish population in hosting this match."


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/05/scottish-rugby-fans-safe-attend-france-six-nations-match-says/


Also,


Email reveals why Cheltenham Festival continued despite COVID-19 threat


The email also quoted medical advice from the chief medical officer of Scotland, Catherine Calderwood, who had previously said: "There is actually very little impact on virus spread from mass gatherings, particularly if they are in the open air."


https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/cheltenham-news/cheltenham-festival-directors-cite-boris-4035672


 


Originally Posted by: RobN 


I reckon that all sporting events in this country should probably have been suspended around the end of February/start of March, with the benefit of hindsight.


From what I recall, once it was obvious that the situation with the virus was getting out of hand in Northern Italy, the Italian rugby federation with the agreement of the organisers of the Six Nations competition decided to postpone Italy's final two games in this years competitions, yet the England v Wales and Scotland v France games on the weekend of 7th/8th March were still given the all-clear to go ahead.


Speaking for myself, I was at a large model railway exhibition in Glasgow on 22nd February, the largest of its kind in Scotland and the one of the biggest exhibitions of this type in the UK. Had I had any idea at that time that the UK was about to see such a large Covid-19 outbreak about a month or less than a month later, I wouldn't have gone to it and I imagine that many other people that attended it would not have gone either.

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Phil G
06 May 2020 17:41:59


 


 


You can get Upper Tier Local Authorities data on the Gov website. It usually updates late afternoon or early evening.


 


https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


There is a file to download on this site but do you think I can see any breakdown of that 6,111 today's new cases figure on it. Unless someone can please help. There are authorities and numbers in the file, but I can't see nothing remotely near the 6,111. 

David M Porter
06 May 2020 17:44:18


 


Indeed. The truth may well be that they were pursuing a herd immunity strategy until mid March and they just don't want to acknowledge it. If mass gatherings don't affect the spread of the virus, then I am sure they will be allowed again when the lockdown is lifted. They won't be of course  


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


It stands to reason that mass gathering in the weeks up until mid March must have been a factor in the spread of the virus during that time. If they hadn't been, they surely wouldn't have been banned even before the lockdown came in on 23rd March.

Lenzie, Glasgow

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Brian Gaze
06 May 2020 17:44:57

Been busy this afternoon but just seen the stats. 6000 positives sound like a lot especially as fewer tests were done. What on earth is going on with Tier 2? surely there must be a serious risk that many people going into hospital with x, y or z are coming out with corona?

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picturesareme
06 May 2020 17:47:39


 


Was this from Facebook?


A lot of fake stuff circulating from the alt right anti lockdown movement


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Genuine Dr's. 

Caz
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06 May 2020 17:50:31


UK data



  • Number of tests - 64,463

  • People tested - 57,006

  • Positive - 6,111


Confirmed rate for positive tests has increased to 10.72%


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

The positive tests could well be results from the day they tested 100,000.  They won’t be from today’s testing of 64,463.  I don’t know how long it takes for the labs to actually conclude the tests. 

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Gavin D
06 May 2020 17:52:24


The positive tests could well be results from the day they tested 100,000.  They won’t be from today’s testing of 64,463.  I don’t know how long it takes for the labs to actually conclude the tests. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


 


Some labs are rumoured to have a 7-day backlog at present

Gavin D
06 May 2020 17:56:30

Breakdown of the new cases



  • Pillar 1 - 2,031

  • Pillar 2 - 4,080


Total - 6,111


Daily tests for pillar 2



  • In-person - 29,315

  • Delivery via post - 4,887


Total - 34,202

Caz
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06 May 2020 17:56:57


 


I reckon that all sporting events in this country should probably have been suspended around the end of February/start of March, with the benefit of hindsight.


From what I recall, once it was obvious that the situation with the virus was getting out of hand in Northern Italy, the Italian rugby federation with the agreement of the organisers of the Six Nations competition decided to postpone Italy's final two games in this years competitions, yet the England v Wales and Scotland v France games on the weekend of 7th/8th March were still given the all-clear to go ahead.


Speaking for myself, I was at a large model railway exhibition in Glasgow on 22nd February, the largest of its kind in Scotland and the one of the biggest exhibitions of this type in the UK. Had I had any idea at that time that the UK was about to see such a large Covid-19 outbreak about a month or less than a month later, I wouldn't have gone to it and I imagine that many other people that attended it would not have gone either.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

Aah!  Hindsight is a wonderful thing David!  But at least you went and came back safely!  You see, at that point, nobody would have ever believed that it was going to be so bad and spread so quickly.  We can all look back and see how we might have done things differently!  

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Justin W
06 May 2020 17:59:55


 


Justin's elderly neighbours flouting lockdown


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Most probably. A variety of married late-middle aged shaggers also visiting Popular Jo of late. It's becoming so frequent that I can only assume they are playing tag team. 

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Caz
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06 May 2020 18:01:10

 


Some labs are rumoured to have a 7-day backlog at present


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

So it’s possible that today’s positives are from days when we hit the big testing numbers and those tested today won’t know their results yet. So the percentage of positives may not have actually gone up. 

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picturesareme
06 May 2020 18:04:36


 


Can you name some countries that do this? I don't know of any.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/covid-19/adapting-to-covid/covid-19-death-certification-and-cremation 

John p
06 May 2020 18:04:46

I’m just catching up on the news and concerned to see BoJo thinking of easing some restrictions on Monday. Cases up and deaths still high, this seems very premature to me?


Unless it’s just something simple to start with like allowing you out for exercise more than once a day?


Any thoughts what it could be?  Can’t be anything significantly due to the short notice?

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The Beast from the East
06 May 2020 18:05:08

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Brian Gaze
06 May 2020 18:08:14


I’m just catching up on the news and concerned to see BoJo thinking of easing some restrictions on Monday. Cases up and deaths still high, this seems very premature to me?


Unless it’s just something simple to start with like allowing you out for exercise more than once a day?


Any thoughts what it could be?  Can’t be anything significantly due to the short notice?


Originally Posted by: John p 


I'm in the same boat as you having missed most of the news today for various reasons. However, it occurs to me we will be easing at an earlier stage than a number of other European countries. If 4000 to 6000 positives are still being recorded daily next week I worry things could quickly escalate in the UK again today. I can only assume they have looked at Germany, Denmark etc. and have decided Mr R is apparently not bouncing back for reasons not fully known. We are into Donald Rumsfeld territory with known unknowns and the danger of unknown unknowns.

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Joe Bloggs
06 May 2020 18:09:24


I’m just catching up on the news and concerned to see BoJo thinking of easing some restrictions on Monday. Cases up and deaths still high, this seems very premature to me?


Unless it’s just something simple to start with like allowing you out for exercise more than once a day?


Any thoughts what it could be?  Can’t be anything significantly due to the short notice?


Originally Posted by: John p 


The furlough scheme is winding down.


I’d expect to see a green light for many businesses to operate again to safeguard jobs and the economy, with social distancing in place.


The dilemma is becoming more troublesome. No furlough scheme, with businesses not operating is a recipe for unemployment on a catastrophic scale.


I don’t wish to underplay the severity of the disease but there is not going to be an easy way out of this. 


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Maunder Minimum
06 May 2020 18:10:22


I’m just catching up on the news and concerned to see BoJo thinking of easing some restrictions on Monday. Cases up and deaths still high, this seems very premature to me?


Unless it’s just something simple to start with like allowing you out for exercise more than once a day?


Any thoughts what it could be?  Can’t be anything significantly due to the short notice?


Originally Posted by: John p 


Essential to open up to prevent damage to the economy becoming embedded. The current death rate is immaterial in any case, since those dying now were infected three weeks ago or more - the crucial statistic is the rate of new infection and the "R" number.

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The Beast from the East
06 May 2020 18:11:22


I’m just catching up on the news and concerned to see BoJo thinking of easing some restrictions on Monday. Cases up and deaths still high, this seems very premature to me?


Unless it’s just something simple to start with like allowing you out for exercise more than once a day?


Any thoughts what it could be?  Can’t be anything significantly due to the short notice?


Originally Posted by: John p 


Ikea are opening up soon, so it must be something more significant


This may surprise you, but I also think its premature to ease lockdown. I mean, I think some measures like elective surgery and cancer treatments must restart in full, along with dental surgeries and opticians. And more exercise permitted and perhaps Garden centres allowed


But family mixing should not be permitted yet, infection rates are still too high. Furlough and other schemes must continue and be enhanced for self employed.


Perhaps summer heat and sunshine will mitigate somewhat, but the weather doesn't look great for a while in terms of UV to kill the virus

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CreweCold
06 May 2020 18:11:55


So it’s possible that today’s positives are from days when we hit the big testing numbers and those tested today won’t know their results yet. So the percentage of positives may not have actually gone up. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Shouldn't really make much of a difference to the % (or proportion) of those infected though should it. 100 out of 1000 and 1000 out of 10000 is still 10%.


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