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Quantum
07 May 2020 07:48:47

And JustinW made the point that the NHS didn't draw up the contract, they actually built the App themselves.


I mean Christ, while getting the NHS to draw up a private contract is like putting a chimp in charge of air traffic control, the NHS actually building the App themselves is like giving a Chimp a fleet of Apache helicopters and the 'rise of the Apes' DVD.


 


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Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

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18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

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26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
speckledjim
07 May 2020 07:49:52

HMG with their leaked information to the RWM have all but ensured we will have a second wave of catastrophe.

We will probably have to lockdown again doing yet even more damage to the economy.

What a calamity.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Why do you always assume the worst? Other countries have begun to lift their restrictions and there has been no catastrophe or calamity. 


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Quantum
07 May 2020 07:50:49


 


Why do you always assume the worst? Other countries have begun to lift their restrictions and there has been no catastrophe or calamity. 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Yet.


It takes a while to take off, and when it does take off its too late.


The lockdown should last another month at the absolute least.


 


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Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

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18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

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Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Essan
07 May 2020 07:51:09


 


Technically I think you will be right. However, there is a lot of nudge nudge, wink wink taking place. The lockdown is lifting "organically" and the government is making no attempt to stop it. Just look at traffic levels. They are MUCH higher now and locally I reckon between 50% and 70% normal. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 



Went on my "long" 7 mile walk yesterday, up the river, which on the return involves crossing the by-pass.  6 weeks ago, 90% of the traffic on it was commercial.  Yesterday the majority were private cars ....

On a separate note, it was interesting how chatty the few people I met along the way were, far more than in the "old days"  when you'd be lucky to get even a passing "good afternoon"     I think this is making (some) people more friendly/less reserved?   


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07 May 2020 07:51:13


Quote:
More often than not, the “solutions” these left-leaning experts come up with make the problems they’re grappling with even worse, and so it will prove to be in this case. The evidence mounts on a daily basis that locking down whole populations in the hope of “flattening the curve” was a catastrophic error, perhaps the worst policy mistake ever committed by Western governments during peacetime. Just yesterday we learnt that the lockdowns have forced countries across the world to shut down TB treatment programmes which, over the next five years, could lead to 6.3 million additional cases of TB and 1.4 million deaths. There are so many stories like this it’s impossible to keep track. We will soon be able to say with something approaching certainty that the cure has been worse than the disease.



https://thecritic.co.uk/the-fatal-hubris-of-professor-lockdown/


Originally Posted by: four 


Well even the single attempt to present a relevant fact in that laughable political tirade is complete nonsense.


TB is spread in the same way as coronavirus so the very same efforts being made to reduce the spread of coronavirus will also reduce the spread of TB.


See e.g. https://tbfacts.org/get-spread-tb/


"You get TB by breathing in the bacteria that cause TB and that are in the air. The bacteria get released into the air by someone who already has the TB bacteria in their body. TB is spread from one person to another through the air.


When a person with TB of the lungs or throat coughs, sneezes, sings or talks, droplets containing the bacteria are released into the air. That is why people who think they may be infectious, may often hold something over their mouth when they are near to other people. People working in a health clinic may also for this reason sometimes wear a mask."


 


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Brian Gaze
07 May 2020 07:52:52


And JustinW made the point that the NHS didn't draw up the contract, they actually built the App themselves.


I mean Christ, while getting the NHS to draw up a private contract is like putting a chimp in charge of air traffic control, the NHS actually building the App themselves is like giving a Chimp a fleet of Apache helicopters and the 'rise of the Apes' DVD.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Can you provide more info on this? I'd be interested to know who the managers, architects and coders were? The app which should actually be quite simple appears to be riddled with architectural issues which are likely to be difficult to resolve elegantly. Bugs will also be present but fixing them should be less of a challenge. 


PS: Is there any substance to the rumours about switching to the Google / Apple API?


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Gandalf The White
07 May 2020 07:56:05


 


It should end with "This article was funded by HMG". Bizarrely it shows a graph which proves that the chance of dying increases for both males and females as they get older even if corona virus didn't exist. By the time you reach 90 the chance of dying in a given year is really quite high. Who'd have thunk it? You learn something new everyday.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Bizarre. Recycling selected parts of what’s been known for three months but carefully overlooking what was the trigger for the restrictions: the guarantee that the NHS would be swamped if we hadn’t; that deaths would have skyrocketed into six digits.


As for the age profile, that too was noted by a scientist a couple of months back, ie that the death profile by age looked the same as the normal profile.  But proportions are in thing; that ignores the numbers involved. 


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Quantum
07 May 2020 07:56:20


 


Can you provide more info on this? I'd be interested to know who the managers, architects and coders were? The app which should actually be quite simple appears to be riddled with architectural issues which are likely to be difficult to resolve elegantly. Bugs will also be present but fixing them should be less of a challenge. 


PS: Is there any substance to the rumours about switching to the Google / Apple API?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I don't know that much about this App. But I can guarantee the more the NHS has to do with it the worse it will be. If its a private contract drawn up by the NHS with NHS oversight it will be bad, if the NHS had full control it will be a catostropic failure, if the limit of their involvement is the NHS logo then it will still (somehow) be bad but probably okay. If the NHS has nothing to do with it it will work.


Regarding the rumours, I can guarantee that if the NHS has designed this App then it will have to be abandoned. So even if the rumours have no substance to them now then they will. As I say, they should have just got Niantic to do it, but Apple/Google e.c.t. is fine too.


 


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18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

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26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Brian Gaze
07 May 2020 07:57:57

Germany appears to be counting MORE deaths as C19 than the UK.  This from today's Times: 


 


German death certificates record not only the immediate cause of a death but also the “causal chain” that led to it. The coronavirus death toll is counted by the Robert Koch Institute, the government’s infectious diseases agency. It includes all patients who died either “of” or “with” a laboratory-confirmed case of Covid-19, whether in a hospital or elsewhere.


In cases where the deceased is suspected to have had an infection but had not been tested before death, coroners can order posthumous tests. It is unclear how routinely this happens and some Covid-19 deaths, especially in care homes, may slip through the cracks. [source: The Times]


 


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Quantum
07 May 2020 08:00:07


Germany appears to be counting MORE deaths as C19 than the UK.  This from today's Times: 


 


German death certificates record not only the immediate cause of a death but also the “causal chain” that led to it. The coronavirus death toll is counted by the Robert Koch Institute, the government’s infectious diseases agency. It includes all patients who died either “of” or “with” a laboratory-confirmed case of Covid-19, whether in a hospital or elsewhere.


In cases where the deceased is suspected to have had an infection but had not been tested before death, coroners can order posthumous tests. It is unclear how routinely this happens and some Covid-19 deaths, especially in care homes, may slip through the cracks. [source: The Times]


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Its clear the UK will end up worse than Germany. However I still maintain we are not the worst in Europe.


Sweeden, France, Spain, Italy, Belgium will all end up being worse than the UK imo.


Germany will probably be the sucess story of the continent though.


 


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Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

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18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

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26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gandalf The White
07 May 2020 08:03:11


And JustinW made the point that the NHS didn't draw up the contract, they actually built the App themselves.


I mean Christ, while getting the NHS to draw up a private contract is like putting a chimp in charge of air traffic control, the NHS actually building the App themselves is like giving a Chimp a fleet of Apache helicopters and the 'rise of the Apes' DVD.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


It isn’t being written ‘by the NHS’ though, is it?


It wouldn’t take you more than a few minutes to research the facts but I suppose the urge for another childish dig at the NHS was too much for you.


NHSX is a different organisation.


https://www.nhsx.nhs.uk


 


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Quantum
07 May 2020 08:04:37

There is a spike every Thursday in the number of people admitted to hospital.


I wonder what happens on Thursday...


The spike is caused by elderly people having falls or non COVID related injuries. Now of course in addition to the fact that non-COVID related hospital admissions also increase the problems of COVID by putting people in a high risk environment and reducing resources avalible for COVID, it would also be true that there are COVID related problems as a result of the Thursday stupidathon although obviously no peak the same day.


So we have direct evidence now that these Thursday clap sessions are causing problems beyond the simple intuition that idiots on westminster bridge within licking distance is not social distancing.


 


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18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

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26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
07 May 2020 08:07:23


 


It isn’t being written ‘by the NHS’ though, is it?


It wouldn’t take you more than a few minutes to research the facts but I suppose the urge for another childish dig at the NHS was too much for you.


NHSX is a different organisation.


https://www.nhsx.nhs.uk


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 



NHS logo, NHS domain name, "NHS is a joint unit bringing together teams from dept Heath and Social care and NHS England and NHS improvement to drive the digital transformation of care"


I mean why the hell do the NHS even have an IT branch, just flushing money down the toilet. Get Niantic to do it.


 


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Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Phil G
07 May 2020 08:08:24


 


Its clear the UK will end up worse than Germany. However I still maintain we are not the worst in Europe.


Sweeden, France, Spain, Italy, Belgium will all end up being worse than the UK imo.


Germany will probably be the sucess story of the continent though.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


And don't forget Russia, if the true figures ever got out!

Quantum
07 May 2020 08:09:44

And someone has to critisize the NHS because no one else botheres, certainly not any of the main political parties.


The NHS is like the Christian god. One pretends to be a benevlant entity while actually being punitive, demanding constant worship from the people, and preventing the worship of other 'false idols'. The other is the Christian god.


 


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Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

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18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

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Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gavin D
07 May 2020 08:11:21

This is apparently the 5 stage plan that will be announced by Sunday.


Heavy Weather 2013
07 May 2020 08:11:45


 


Why do you always assume the worst? Other countries have begun to lift their restrictions and there has been no catastrophe or calamity. 


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Because they are lifting their lockdowns in far better shape than us. 


I assumed the worst in Jan/Feb and it has come to pass. I am sure you were playing this down.


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Quantum
07 May 2020 08:13:06

Of course when this App fails the government will get the blame for it.


And no one will point out the Government is only at fault because it trusted the NHS with an IT project despite the fact every IT project the NHS has ever had anything to do with has turned into a raging dumpster fire. Although of course had the government just gone with Apple or Niantic in the first place everyone would have been like "privatizing the NHS! Corbyn was right" e.c.t.


Its ridiculous. The tories think the NHS is perfect when its clearly one of the worst in the developed world, and Labour think everything will be solved if you throw enough money at it. And the fact that the government is now throwing the most money at the NHS in its entire history will do nothing to convince anyone that maybe the NHS is the problem.


 


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Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

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18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

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26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Phil G
07 May 2020 08:13:07


There's a lot of traffic here in Lowestoft, of what I can hear out the back of my property. More like ordinary weekday.


Originally Posted by: ozone_aurora 


I haven't been out yet today, but if yesterday was anything to go by there was a lot of activity out there. Went for a run and actually had to wait for a number of cars to go past so I could cross, unheard of in recent weeks. Then in my garden, we have a new water feature that sounds like a little stream if you shut your eyes. I have been enjoying that the last month or so, but yesterday I could hardly hear the bloody thing with the background traffic noise. Our area is awakening, but it shouldn't be!

Phil G
07 May 2020 08:16:31
After yesterday's 6,111 number, I expect focus more than ever is on our new cases figure today. We seem to be going in the opposite direction! If this figure does not change much I expect there will be a lot more caveats in the PM's speech on Sunday.
Ulric
07 May 2020 08:21:15


So apparantely there are thoughts of abandoning the NHS app and going with an apple/google one.


Imagine my shock, the NHS bodged up an IT project yet again.


Seriously, the NHS should never have been allowed to have anything to do with this contract training app in the first place.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Was it the NHS or Dominic's brother's mate?


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Quantum
07 May 2020 08:21:42


 


And don't forget Russia, if the true figures ever got out!


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


Russia is much much worse than the UK.


Think its like 100x worse on the 'Q severity index'


Moscow is probably worse than Lombardy and New York which, in turn, were alot worse than London.


 


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Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

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26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
07 May 2020 08:23:26


 


Was it the NHS or Dominic's brother's mate?


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


Given the bugs being reported and the rumours the entire thing is being abandoned, it has to be the NHS.


The only thing the NHS does worse than Healthcare is everything else.


 


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18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

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26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
SJV
07 May 2020 08:23:33


 


Because they are lifting their lockdowns in far better shape than us. 


I assumed the worst in Jan/Feb and it has come to pass. I am sure you were playing this down.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


It does worry me that we are about to lift our restrictions with 6,000 daily cases still being reported. Seems mad to me.


The problem with a 'seeing the worst' type outlook is we live in a country where that scenario is perhaps more likely to happen!  Because we didn't prepare for the worst, we are now dealing with a national catastrophe with open borders, the worst death toll in Europe and a 6k daily infection rate 

Ulric
07 May 2020 08:23:39


And no one will point out the Government is only at fault because it trusted the NHS with an IT project despite the fact every IT project the NHS has ever had anything to do with has turned into a raging dumpster fire.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Do you think that Dom's mates float to the top of the list of NHS approved suppliers by accident?


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré

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