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JHutch
09 May 2020 16:21:47

Regarding the Guardian article, regardless of what sources may or may not have said, surely if the government says their decisions were based on 'the science', thereby deflecting criticism, then we should be able to see what 'the science' actually said and not have large sections redacted for apparently no reason?

Lionel Hutz
09 May 2020 16:27:43


 


Some EU countries doing rather better than the UK? This has just started. We are barely on the starting blocks with this. I wouldn't be backing any horses just yet! As to Brexit sunny uplands, yes we are leaving no transition 31 Dec. The further we are from the EU Titanic when it sinks, the better! Can't come quick enough! May was a weak and feable remainer, a puppet for the EU. Just thank god remainer MPs did not vote for her ludicrous deal. They got greedy, her deal was the EU's dirty work!


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


If the EU is the Titanic, perhaps the UK is an iceberg.

Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



Ulric
09 May 2020 16:34:34

The timeline of delay, inaction and failure.
https://appeasement.org/


Through a deadly combination of arrogance and incompetence, Boris Johnson’s government ignored international warnings and allowed Covid-19 to spread largely unchecked in the UK.


Like one of his predecessors he ignored a gathering storm, downplayed the threat then failed to act. He appeased the virus.


By the time he realised his mistake it was too late, thousands would needlessly die and the economy would face a protracted lockdown.


Today the UK is the second worst hit country in the world.


He’s not Churchill. He’s Chamberlain.

To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Bolty
09 May 2020 16:39:05
I have to say, I'm quite in favour of garden centres being allowed to open. As long as people honour the social distancing and managers enforce the one-way system which is in place in shops (and keep the cafes closed) I can't see any major issue. If people are stuck at home, at least it might allow some of them to do something more productive with their time rather than drinking and causing trouble.

I'd also suggest opening building and hardware stores too, for that matter.
Scott
Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.
My weather station 
Phil G
09 May 2020 16:40:25


The timeline of delay, inaction and failure.
https://appeasement.org/


Through a deadly combination of arrogance and incompetence, Boris Johnson’s government ignored international warnings and allowed Covid-19 to spread largely unchecked in the UK.


Like one of his predecessors he ignored a gathering storm, downplayed the threat then failed to act. He appeased the virus.


By the time he realised his mistake it was too late, thousands would needlessly die and the economy would face a protracted lockdown.


Today the UK is the second worst hit country in the world.


He’s not Churchill. He’s Chamberlain.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


What a load of bx!

John p
09 May 2020 16:47:49


Been for a long walk round south Manchester today. 


Most people being very courteous and socially distancing, a fair number of people sunbathing etc but always in small groups and in isolation.


Always warms my cockles to see all the rainbows in windows and chalked out by kids on footpaths and doorsteps. Love it. 


Need to be careful not to assume everything happening on Twitter is representative of the entire population. It’s easy to get carried away with anecdotes from social media. 


Not saying everything is rosy, but I firmly believe that most people are fairly decent out there. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Not so good here i’m afraid. I’ve just been for a walk in my local woods / lake. Next to a certain part of the lake there is a clearing with a kind of sandy ‘beach’ area. 


 Normally it’s empty, but today there was some kind of party going on with approx 40 youths aged 16-20ish, drinking, smoking, no social distancing. I despair - but how to complain? The local police have stopped doing anything. 

Camberley, Surrey
xioni2
09 May 2020 16:50:45
Too much political garbage in this thread today.
Gavin D
09 May 2020 16:52:22

lanky
09 May 2020 16:54:50

Too much political garbage in this thread today.

Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Very noticeably so


But just as it is said All Political Careers End In Failure, I think it is true in here that all Threads End In Politics


 

Martin
Richmond, Surrey
John p
09 May 2020 16:54:55




Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Why don’t they do something about it instead of moaning on Twitter?

Camberley, Surrey
Bolty
09 May 2020 16:58:59




Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


This is the issue I'm now seeing. As an increasing number of people flout the lockdown, what can the police realistically do? What can HMG really do? You can't stand up to a group that's too large. If this goes on the people will decide when the "lockdown" ends instead.


The only alternative is you start following the Chinese apporach and start barricading people in their houses...

Scott
Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.
My weather station 
John p
09 May 2020 17:00:49


56.9% of today's confirmed cases come from key workers and over 65s


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


What was the reasoning for lumping these two groups together, I don’t get the link?

Camberley, Surrey
John p
09 May 2020 17:01:49


 


This is the issue I'm now seeing. As an increasing number of people flout the lockdown, what can the police realistically do? What can HMG really do? You can't stand up to a group that's too large. If this goes on the people will decide when the "lockdown" ends instead.


The only alternative is you start following the Chinese apporach and start barricading people in their houses...


Originally Posted by: Bolty 


They go and hand out fixed penalty notices as permitted by the law.  Or water cannon. 

Camberley, Surrey
westv
09 May 2020 17:05:11


The timeline of delay, inaction and failure.
https://appeasement.org/


Through a deadly combination of arrogance and incompetence, Boris Johnson’s government ignored international warnings and allowed Covid-19 to spread largely unchecked in the UK.


Like one of his predecessors he ignored a gathering storm, downplayed the threat then failed to act. He appeased the virus.


By the time he realised his mistake it was too late, thousands would needlessly die and the economy would face a protracted lockdown.


Today the UK is the second worst hit country in the world.


He’s not Churchill. He’s Chamberlain.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


I can't believe a website has been created just to say that.

At least it will be mild!
Retron
09 May 2020 17:10:14

 


 


 



Interesting to see the cars graph has continued showing a marked upward trend. From a low of around 40% during the working week - we're now back to 50%. While that 10% doesn't sound like much (compared to normal), it's a 25% increase in relative terms. Or, in other words, there are 25% more cars on the roads during the week now than there were for the early part of the lockdown.


 

Leysdown, north Kent
four
  • four
  • Advanced Member
09 May 2020 17:23:38
https://hectordrummond.com/2020/05/09/alistair-haimes-the-virus-that-turned-up-late/ 

There are really only two particularly unusual things about the Covid-19 epidemic: the timing of its arrival and the lockdown some countries declared. And if we ask “Covid, where is thy sting?”, it is lockdown that will sting: in the UK, the death-toll of people not turning up to hospital with cardiac issues (admissions are down 50% across the country) is now unmissable in the weekly non-Covid excess death figures published by the ONS, now running over 3,000 per week just for England and Wales. The downstream toll from missed cancer diagnoses (referrals are down 67%, as stressed by Professor Sikora) is heartbreak yet to come.
North York Moors weather 
fairweather
09 May 2020 17:25:03


 


 


 



Interesting to see the cars graph has continued showing a marked upward trend. From a low of around 40% during the working week - we're now back to 50%. While that 10% doesn't sound like much (compared to normal), it's a 25% increase in relative terms. Or, in other words, there are 25% more cars on the roads during the week now than there were for the early part of the lockdown.


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Not sure this is that much of a concern where we are with this. There may be bigger fish to fry to keep infection down. The main reason for restricting travel from what I recall on these threads was to not move from a highly infected area to a lower one, to not overload a smaller health authority with holiday visitors and to keep the RTA's  to a minimum. All to protect the NHS which now seems to be coping well. A lot of these journeys, especially at the weekend, may be local people who have learnt workrounds that are transmission safe. Like dropping off shopping, maybe birthday cards or a strimmer etc. These can all be done with social distancing the same as any other deliveriesand there is no lower transmission risk than the inside of your car.

S.Essex, 42m ASL
The Beast from the East
09 May 2020 17:25:39


 


 


The hard left were in power. We were under dictatorship until the December election


 


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


I must have slept through that bit!


 

"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Caz
  • Caz
  • Advanced Member
09 May 2020 17:25:43


 


What was the reasoning for lumping these two groups together, I don’t get the link?


Originally Posted by: John p 

I don’t think over 65’s and key workers are lumped together.  l’m thinking Gavin works out the percentages himself and he means Pillar 2, which includes everyone other than those in hospitals.  I’m not sure whether care homes come under pillar 1 or 2.


I question the percentages of positive cases as well because the number tested today will not relate to the results published today, due to the time lag. Apparently it takes up to 7 days for some results to come back. 

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The Beast from the East
09 May 2020 17:27:08


 


Through a deadly combination of arrogance and incompetence, Boris Johnson’s government ignored international warnings and allowed Covid-19 to spread largely unchecked in the UK.


Like one of his predecessors he ignored a gathering storm, downplayed the threat then failed to act. He appeased the virus.


By the time he realised his mistake it was too late, thousands would needlessly die and the economy would face a protracted lockdown.


Today the UK is the second worst hit country in the world.


He’s not Churchill. He’s Chamberlain.


Originally Posted by: Ulric 



Finest hour is on BBC one tonight as it happens. 

"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Essan
09 May 2020 17:27:17


 


Very noticeably so


But just as it is said All Political Careers End In Failure, I think it is true in here that all Threads End In Politics


 


Originally Posted by: lanky 


 


Sadly, very true


And politics are to common sense and intelligent debate what a balloon is to a steak dinner.


I fear too many people here have a surfeit of balloons ....

Andy
Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl
Weather & Earth Science News 

Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job - DNA
Roger Parsons
09 May 2020 17:28:24


 


This is the issue I'm now seeing. As an increasing number of people flout the lockdown, what can the police realistically do? What can HMG really do? You can't stand up to a group that's too large. If this goes on the people will decide when the "lockdown" ends instead.


The only alternative is you start following the Chinese apporach and start barricading people in their houses...


Originally Posted by: Bolty 


Well Bolty, before the government tries that they will want sufficient new evidence to justify a tougher line.


My fear it they will get it soon enough. It could all end in tears by June!


Go on hoping the chap in the hospital bed next to yours is not one of the morons.


R.

RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
The Beast from the East
09 May 2020 17:32:16

in the UK, the death-toll of people not turning up to hospital with cardiac issues (admissions are down 50% across the country) is now unmissable in the weekly non-Covid excess death figures published by the ONS, now running over 3,000 per week just for England and Wales. The downstream toll from missed cancer diagnoses (referrals are down 67%, as stressed by Professor Sikora) is heartbreak yet to come.

Originally Posted by: four 


I would support all healthcare provision, including dentistry, opticians, mental heath etc to open as normal. But if people are scared to go into hospital or see their GP, there isn't much you can do other than public messaging

"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Heavy Weather 2013
09 May 2020 17:32:36




Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


They should’ve all been given fixed penalty notices. I am sick to the back teeth of all these selfish Londoners. 

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Joe Bloggs
09 May 2020 17:34:42


 


I think you are confusing radicalised with being fed up with remainers and the hard left. We have had enough of their unaccepting behaviour. We are fed up to the back teeth with them. Their main mouthpiece has been the BBC, which walks hand in hand with the Guardian, the BBC bias for remainers in Brexit was astonishing, totally unacceptable. For that, the BBC will never be forgotten and a full review with changes can't come quick enough in certain areas. I quote them on virus stuff, but politically I don't trust them. Since the election their presenters have undergone a personality transplant. The sly devils are muted to keep hold of their jobs, but you can sense the frustration in them. They could not stop themselves argueueing with leavers up to the election.


The hard left were in power. We were under dictatorship until the December election finally broke the mold.


There is the hard left BBC/Guardian and the centre right. I am centre right as I am sure a lot round here are. Don't get that confused with the hard right which is Tommy Robinson territory.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


LOL.


You’re crackers. 


Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL

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