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The Beast from the East
11 May 2020 08:05:54




Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Can I meet my drug dealer in the park now?


Its a fucking joke 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
bledur
11 May 2020 08:06:10

After last night,s announcement.


https://youtu.be/DDTvLldOgZs?t=3

westv
11 May 2020 08:06:35


In an area like  Greater London (the countries economic power house)  commuting is overwhelmingly by Public Transport.  This implies  some kind of rationing   will have to be implemented but on what basis ?  Economic importance of your activity ?  First come, first served ? 


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


All the companies I deal with in the City have almost everybody working from home.


At least it will be mild!
The Beast from the East
11 May 2020 08:08:21


Had Prime Minister Gaze made the speech last night it would have been very short and to the point. Highlights below:


Nothing is changing. Stay Home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives. We will review again in 3 weeks time.


The reasons for this are that scaling up contact tracing and antibody testing are both taking longer than we expected. However, progress is being made on both fronts. In addition we will be implementing a national randomised antigen testing programme to establish the current rate of infection.


The number of infections is falling but it is not yet at a manageable level. Therefore, to crush this virus to a level we can control the same rules must continue to apply. The economic cost is huge but it will be even higher if we ease now and have to slam on the brakes again in a few weeks or months.  


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I would vote for PM Gaze


Is Gauke still doing your gardening?


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
bledur
11 May 2020 08:12:53


  It’s everyone’s responsibility to look after themselves so nitpicking and squabbling about minor points is fruitless, so is cherry picking ( oh hang on, that is fruit ).  This shouldn’t be a political row that divides us, it’s a national emergency that we’re all fighting and someone has to lead in that.


I think everyone on here is intelligent enough to comprehend the speech.  There will be idiots who flout the rules but that’s up to them. If they pick up the virus, they should be no threat to those of us who are vigilant, wash hands, stay 2 metres away etc. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


 Good post Far better reading than some of the political diatribe that has to be waded through on here

Heavy Weather 2013
11 May 2020 08:14:59


 


 Good post Far better reading than some of the political diatribe that has to be waded through on here


Originally Posted by: bledur 


Who is making it political?


Whatever fence politically you sit on, they should be scrutinised. We are not NK.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
The Beast from the East
11 May 2020 08:23:02


 


 Good post Far better reading than some of the political diatribe that has to be waded through on here


Originally Posted by: bledur 


I say this all the time, but the Culture wars that have afflicted America are well and truly here since Brexit. Total blinkered tribalism. Treating "libtards" as the enemy within. 


The Trump fanatic who called into James O'Brien last year summed it up perfectly "Yes, I know he is a racist liar, but I don't care, because it upsets people like you" 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Gandalf The White
11 May 2020 08:23:24


 


Who is making it political?


Whatever fence politically you sit on, they should be scrutinised. We are not NK.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Scrutinise and condemnation are quite different.


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Heavy Weather 2013
11 May 2020 08:23:55
Conservative MP Andrew Bridger has just told raging bull @piersmorgan that he’s always been allowed to visit his 2 sons if he maintains social distancing.

So he has been breaking lockdown rules.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
westv
11 May 2020 08:24:04

Hopefully there will be clarity come 14:00 however, I expect some people would pick holes whatever had been done/said.


At least it will be mild!
westv
11 May 2020 08:25:04

Conservative MP Andrew Bridger has just told raging bull @piersmorgan that he’s always been allowed to visit his 2 sons if he maintains social distancing.

So he has been breaking lockdown rules.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


If it's outside then, no.


At least it will be mild!
Justin W
11 May 2020 08:26:02


 


If it's outside then, no.


Originally Posted by: westv 


Incorrect. 


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Heavy Weather 2013
11 May 2020 08:26:38


 


Scrutinise and condemnation are quite different.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Of course. This morning people have been scrutinising the poor government messaging and rightfully condemning it.


You can and should be able to do both. That still doesn’t make it political point scoring.


As Brian highlighted earlier, there is condemnation across the political devise this morning. 


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Heavy Weather 2013
11 May 2020 08:27:51


 


If it's outside then, no.


Originally Posted by: westv 


Incorrect. Until yesterday one daily exercise and not mixing with others from different households.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Northern Sky
11 May 2020 08:28:01


 


I say this all the time, but the Culture wars that have afflicted America are well and truly here since Brexit. Total blinkered tribalism. Treating "libtards" as the enemy within. 


The Trump fanatic who called into James O'Brien last year summed it up perfectly "Yes, I know he is a racist liar, but I don't care, because it upsets people like you" 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Yes it's carnage. Civil war conducted by 0.1% of the population through the medium of twitter.

Gavin D
11 May 2020 08:28:07
Russia is now the 2nd worst country in the world by new infections after the USA

Russia has also gone above Italy and the UK to the 3rd most infected country in the world for total cases with 221,344 Spain remains 2nd with 264,663 with the USA top on 1,367,638 cases
Gandalf The White
11 May 2020 08:28:09


 


If it's outside then, no.


Originally Posted by: westv 


No, outside or inside made no difference. The messaging was very clear on that point but it just shows how people can misunderstand the rules.


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Phil G
11 May 2020 08:30:06

Some debate on here this morning and no surprise the same boring protagonists at work who whatever the PM said would have been chomping at the bit putting the knife in. Multiple posts by the same people, so boring. I know
I go on about China responsibility and Russian stats, but at least I pause and come up for air.
Look, some 14 hours after the announcement with all the detail still to come later some are just too desperate to rubbish this govt down.
Yes even after the release of the 50 page document there will still be questions, it won't answer everything, but even here IF things go according to plan, then next phases and relaxations will solve and sort out many of these problems. It can't all happen in one go!
Until then, I think some of you need to have a good look at yourselves. You are not idiots and there are some very knowledgeable contributors on here but you also let yourselves down by your constant bitching and moaning. It's boring, very boring!
Any govt in charge would be under fire. Any govt would be in a no win situation. What a thankless task.
You should grow up a little, cut them some slack, don't be the boo boys all the time, you belittle yourselves when all the time we know you just like pantomine villains.
Yes this govt has mucked up like many of govt's have in hindsight, but every now and again it would be good if there was some support.

Gandalf The White
11 May 2020 08:30:11


 


Yes it's carnage. Civil war conducted by 0.1% of the population through the medium of twitter.


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


Except it's only a civil war amongst the minority of people who follow the nonsense on Twitter and elsewhere.


 


Location: South Cambridgeshire
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52.0N 0.1E


Brian Gaze
11 May 2020 08:30:56

Scientists concerned that coronavirus is adapting to humans



Researchers have observed mutations in some strains that may help the virus spread


Scientists have found evidence for mutations in some strains of the coronavirus that suggest the pathogen may be adapting to humans after spilling over from bats.


The analysis of more than 5,300 coronavirus genomes from 62 countries shows that while the virus is fairly stable, some have gained mutations, including two genetic changes that alter the critical “spike protein” the virus uses to infect human cells.


....


“This is exactly what we need to look out for,” Hibberd [LSHTM] said. “People are making vaccines and other therapies against this spike protein because it seems a very good target. We need to keep an eye on it and make sure that any mutations don’t invalidate any of these approaches.”


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/10/scientists-concerned-that-coronavirus-is-adapting-to-humans


 


Hibberd says the mutations are rare at the moment. However, this is exactly the sort of thing which could blow up many of the vaccines on the launchpad. 


Brian Gaze
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Phil G
11 May 2020 08:30:58


  It’s everyone’s responsibility to look after themselves so nitpicking and squabbling about minor points is fruitless, so is cherry picking ( oh hang on, that is fruit ).  This shouldn’t be a political row that divides us, it’s a national emergency that we’re all fighting and someone has to lead in that.


I think everyone on here is intelligent enough to comprehend the speech.  There will be idiots who flout the rules but that’s up to them. If they pick up the virus, they should be no threat to those of us who are vigilant, wash hands, stay 2 metres away etc. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Great post Caz.

JHutch
11 May 2020 08:33:43

Not sure i saw this mentioned yesterday but a survey conducted between 26 April and 8 May suggests that 0.24% of the population of England currently have coronavirus (confidence interval 0.14 - 0.4%). That makes 136,000 people, is this where the estimate of 18,000 (?) people catching it every day came from? Not sure how that would translate into a total number of people who have had it since the epidemic started.


https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurvey/england10may2020

Retron
11 May 2020 08:34:21


Hibberd says the mutations are rare at the moment. However, this is exactly the sort of thing which could blow up many of the vaccines on the launchpad. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


You are always on the gloomy side wrt vaccines, it seems. If you're right and it's hopeless, should we just let it rip and have done with it?


(OTOH, given that we can vaccinate monkeys, I still can't see any reason why we can't get a human vaccine sorted).


Leysdown, north Kent
Ulric
11 May 2020 08:34:58


 Good post Far better reading than some of the political diatribe that has to be waded through on here


Originally Posted by: bledur 


A special announcement by the Prime Minister on covid-19 makes it a political issue whether you like it or not.


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
Justin W
11 May 2020 08:36:51


  It’s everyone’s responsibility to look after themselves so nitpicking and squabbling about minor points is fruitless, so is cherry picking ( oh hang on, that is fruit ).  This shouldn’t be a political row that divides us, it’s a national emergency that we’re all fighting and someone has to lead in that.


I think everyone on here is intelligent enough to comprehend the speech.  There will be idiots who flout the rules but that’s up to them. If they pick up the virus, they should be no threat to those of us who are vigilant, wash hands, stay 2 metres away etc. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


1. It isn't nit picking to ask whether I should use a bus to go to work when the PM and Dep PM have said two different things


2. It isn't nit picking to ask whether I can return to work today or Wednesday when the PM and Dep PM have said two different things


3. It isn't nit picking to ask whether I can meet both of my parents in a park when the PM and Dep PM have said two different things.


Our health and, potentially, thousand of lives depend on getting this right. HMG has been as clear as mud in the last 48 hours. At least it has been consistent in that its approach has been shambolic since mid March.


Questioning this is not stirring up divisions or a political row. It is absolutely right at a time of national emergency and when there has been such an obvious failure of leadership. 


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?

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