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xioni2
14 May 2020 10:36:42


 They're paying the price of having to be always scared of it lurking undetected. A completely naive population is at greater risk than one which has a buffer of 1-in-20 or 1-in-10 being immune. All it takes is one case (as in that nightclub, made more awkward because it was a gay nightclub and people use fake IDs there due to homophobia) and you have problems.


Remember that graph showing spread, then repeating with "this guy stayed home"? Even a 5% immunity rate means that transmission will be slowed, of the 20 people someone comes into contact with, one now won't transmit it forwards. With a 10% immunity rate, that means two wouldn't transmit it and so on - again, figures are averages here.


The benefit of having these immune folks is that they reduce R over and above of all the other things we're doing... it's like compound interest, it all adds up.


 

Originally Posted by: Retron 


Sure, but it's just not enough, the numbers are too small. We are getting many more new infections than S.Korea even after a 7 week lockdown and if we open up our hospitality sector, then we'll get a second spike even with our 5-10% (potentially) immune part of our population.


S.Korea continues to be an example of how countries should deal with this, only a lack of an effective vaccine would make their strategy questionable.

Gavin D
14 May 2020 10:37:07

EastEnders and Top Gear to resume filming in June, BBC says


 


EastEnders and Top Gear will go back into production in June, but the stars will be socially distanced and will have to do their own hair and make-up.


Virtually all filming has been on hold since the lockdown began in March.


The BBC said it would use "strictly limited" crews and stick to government guidelines when it resumes.


BBC director of content Charlotte Moore said: "We're also exploring ways to re-start filming on more dramas and other major BBC shows as soon as possible."


 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52660480

Sevendust
14 May 2020 10:37:17

Paul Harrison (PNE Paul) had Covid 19. Not sure if he is still a member here

Retron
14 May 2020 10:39:33


 


Sure, but it's just not enough, the numbers are too small. We are getting many more new infections than S.Korea even after a 7 week lockdown and if we open up our hospitality sector, then we'll get a second spike even with our 5-10% (potentially) immune part of our population.


S.Korea continues to be an example of how countries should deal with this, only a lack of an effective vaccine would make their strategy questionable.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Of course it's nowhere near full herd immunity (at which point all restrictions could ease), but it will be helping at least a little bit. It does mean a gradual easing is likely, rather than having the same restrictions going on unchanged. I'm sure the powers that be see it that way, too, as most counrtries are now slowly unwinding things.


At the moment things like pubs, restraurants, cinemas are way too risky, as you say, but as that immune portion continues to swell then the likelihood of being able to open them - with social distancing, mind - without causing a massive second spike rises. We're still months away from that though!


 


Leysdown, north Kent
xioni2
14 May 2020 10:40:19


Has anyone on TWO had COVID-19? If so, I'd be keen to know their experience.


I find it hard to believe that nobody on here has had it. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Most of my friends and people I know are in the greater London area and yet I know of only one who definitely got it (and his wife). Despite him never going to the hospital, he still hasn't recovered fully: his breathing is still a bit laboured and his voice slightly different. He will soon have a full check up, but he is worried about permanent damage to his lungs. He is a very fit 38 year old in excellent health. He thinks he got it from the barbers just a few days before the lockdown started.


 

Gavin D
14 May 2020 10:41:44

Poundland are reopening 36 stores on Monday mostly in Shopping Centres and Retail Park's in the UK and Ireland. Most high street stores remained open as they are an essential retailer 


The following will be reopening



  • Ayr - Central Shopping Centre

  • Basildon - Eastgate Shopping Centre

  • Belfast - Castlecourt Shopping Centre

  • Bootle

  • Bradford - Westfield Shopping Centre

  • Chatham - Pentagon Shopping Centre

  • Colchester - St Johns Shopping Centre

  • Cork - Merchant Quay Centre (Dealz)

  • Doncaster - Wheatley Retail Park

  • Dublin - Mary Street (Dealz)

  • Eastleigh - Swan Shopping Centre

  • Enniskillen - Erneside Shopping Centre

  • Gateshead - Metro Centre

  • Great Yarmouth - Regent Road

  • Harrogate

  • Harrow - St Anns Road

  • Ipswich - Carr Street

  • Kendal

  • Kingston upon Thames - Wheatfield Way

  • Lowestoft - Britten Shopping Centre

  • Maidstone - Chequers Shopping Centre

  • Mansfield - Four Seasons Shopping Centre

  • Milton Keynes Centre

  • Mullingar - Fairgreen Centre (Dealz)

  • Newport, Gwent - Kingsway Centre

  • Newry - Buttercrane Shopping Centre

  • Newry - Quays Shopping Centre

  • Northampton - Gold Street

  • Norwich - Castle Mall

  • Romford - Brewery Retail Park

  • Shrewsbury

  • Southend - Royals Shopping Centre

  • Sunderland - High Street West

  • Thurrock - Lakeside

  • Waltham - Abbey Retail Park

  • Wembley - High Road


https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/poundland-reopens-36-closed-stores-22025319

Rob K
14 May 2020 10:45:04


 


If you could lower your standards to Tesco or Iceland, I've had no problem with getting slots. Indeed, I now get orders from the neighbours each week, so my Tesco deliveries have been getting bigger and bigger!


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Tesco delivery slots are like gold dust round here, you were looking at 3-4 weeks lead time last I looked. Asda Click and Collect has been the life saver.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Phil G
14 May 2020 10:49:41


 


They're paying the price of having to be always scared of it lurking undetected. A completely naive population is at greater risk than one which has a buffer of 1-in-20 or 1-in-10 being immune. All it takes is one case (as in that nightclub, made more awkward because it was a gay nightclub and people use fake IDs there due to homophobia) and you have problems.


Remember that graph showing spread, then repeating with "this guy stayed home"? Even a 5% immunity rate means that transmission will be slowed, of the 20 people someone comes into contact with, one now won't transmit it forwards. With a 10% immunity rate, that means two wouldn't transmit it and so on - again, figures are averages here.


The benefit of having these immune folks is that they reduce R over and above of all the other things we're doing... it's like compound interest, it all adds up.


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


I was just wondering if as and when the world starts to open its borders again, there will be such a wide array of how countries have dealt with this. While the EU is contemplating opening up some summer resorts to try and rescue holiday industries and economies here, places like NZ when on earth will they open their borders again? No one can really or want to afford fly to a destination and have to quarantine for two weeks before they can move around.


As the world moves on, the keyword here will be adapt, in just about everything, that's how man has survived throughout history. Just made me think of travelling through counties in this country. In Cornwall, we see a lot of disused tin mines as times changed. Could there be some structures around now, but will never be used again and in future the reason given because of Covid.

llamedos
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14 May 2020 10:54:37


Paul Harrison (PNE Paul) had Covid 19. Not sure if he is still a member here


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 

Paul is still a member, Dave, and although he hasn't posted for a couple of years, he does occasionally visit the site.


I'm very sorry to learn of this and pray he pulls through. Hope his church and parishioners will support him if he battles it out.


"Life with the Lions"

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Sevendust
14 May 2020 10:58:02


Paul is still a member, Dave, and although he hasn't posted for a couple of years, he does occasionally visit the site.


I'm very sorry to learn of this and pray he pulls through. Hope his church and parishioners will support him if he battles it out.


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


Thanks John


He is out of hospital now and doing well. He avoided the dreaded ventilator but spent two weeks having oxygen

The Beast from the East
14 May 2020 11:03:29


 


 


At the moment things like pubs, restraurants, cinemas are way too risky, as you say, but as that immune portion continues to swell then the likelihood of being able to open them - with social distancing, mind - without causing a massive second spike rises. We're still months away from that though!


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Any more risky than supermarkets and public transport? I feel very sorry for people who are working in these sectors. On the last two occasions I have been to Tesco, an idiot was walking around coughing everywhere. He may not have had it, but whatever he did have was being spread around and most people, including me, were not wearing masks


 


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Northern Sky
14 May 2020 11:05:19


Has anyone on TWO had COVID-19? If so, I'd be keen to know their experience.


I find it hard to believe that nobody on here has had it. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


I know 4 people who have definitely had it (tested positive). 


A woman who I work with who was shielding due to underlying health conditions. Along with her husband and two kids they had stayed in for weeks until he (a teacher) had to go into work for a day. A week later he woke up with terrible back pain and a fever. He was in in bed for 4 days sleeping most of the time. His wife with the underlying conditions had much less severe symptoms - "more like a cold". Both in their late 20's and the two young children didn't seem affected.


My cousin - a Down Syndrome lady in her early 30's, was unwell for a few days but not severe at all.


Two of my wife's friends have had it  - both in their 40's and both felt worn out, cough, fever and one of them short of breath when going upstairs.


I also know a few people who think they've had it but didn't have a test.

The Beast from the East
14 May 2020 11:11:38


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The Beast from the East
14 May 2020 11:14:36

Buses are free of course at the moment, not that even I would want to get on one, unless I really had to!


 




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llamedos
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  • Advanced Member Topic Starter
14 May 2020 11:16:37


 


Thanks John


He is out of hospital now and doing well. He avoided the dreaded ventilator but spent two weeks having oxygen


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 

That's very good news 


"Life with the Lions"

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fairweather
14 May 2020 11:18:12


 


Tesco delivery slots are like gold dust round here, you were looking at 3-4 weeks lead time last I looked. Asda Click and Collect has been the life saver.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


You are lucky - Asda click and collect here is a killer - touch screen to enter your order number while you wait around in a queue inside the store. No sanitisation. Luckily I have been able to get delivery slots from them since that experience.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
The Beast from the East
14 May 2020 11:18:51


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
NickR
14 May 2020 11:19:10


 


I hope you are correct but other opinions differ...


Virus Survivors Could Suffer Severe Health Effects for Years


More than one million people around the world have been deemed recovered from the coronavirus, but beating the initial sickness may be just the first of many battles for those who have survived.


Some recovered patients report breathlessness, fatigue and body pain months after first becoming infected. Small-scale studies conducted in Hong Kong and Wuhan, China, show that survivors grapple with poorer functioning in their lungs, heart and liver. And that may be the tip of the iceberg.


The prospect led Nicholas Hart, the British physician who treated Prime Minister Boris Johnson, to call the virus “this generation’s polio” — a disease that could leave many marked by its scars and reshape global health care.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-12/covid-19-s-health-effects-can-last-long-after-virus-is-gone


Originally Posted by: RobN 


Anyone dismissing this as "well, there's always a small number that get long term issues from every disease" is a dangerous and irresponsible fool.


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Durham
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The Beast from the East
14 May 2020 11:22:20


 


You are lucky - Asda click and collect here is a killer - touch screen to enter your order number while you wait around in a queue inside the store. No sanitisation. Luckily I have been able to get delivery slots from them since that experience.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


I was forced to use the check out machine in Tesco yesterday because the normal queue was too long. I don't have any hand sanitiser so I was desperately trying not to touch my face as I went home. But any germs would have got on other things like wallet, and clothes etc


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
The Beast from the East
14 May 2020 11:25:16

Vile woman, ranks alongside Alison Pearson and Julia Hartley Brewer as right wing media trolls


 




"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
fairweather
14 May 2020 11:32:34


 


Any more risky than supermarkets and public transport? I feel very sorry for people who are working in these sectors. On the last two occasions I have been to Tesco, an idiot was walking around coughing everywhere. He may not have had it, but whatever he did have was being spread around and most people, including me, were not wearing masks


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I think I've mentioned before I have a 54 year old cousin with special needs who is a trolley man at a Sainsbury's in York. He says the staff get abuse every day for just trying to enforce the rules, especially only one person per trolley. He says they queue up in pairs then go ballistic when they can't both go in.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Brian Gaze
14 May 2020 11:34:54


Has anyone on TWO had COVID-19? If so, I'd be keen to know their experience.


I find it hard to believe that nobody on here has had it. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


One family on my street. One member was hospitalised but apparently recovered quickly.


Given the expansive range of symptoms COVID-19 now appears to be encompass I would estimate a 4% to 8% chance that my wife and I had it in March. 


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Brian Gaze
14 May 2020 11:36:34


 


I think I've mentioned before I have a 54 year old cousin with special needs who is a trolley man at a Sainsbury's in York. He says the staff get abuse every day for just trying to enforce the rules, especially only one person per trolley. He says they queue up in pairs then go ballistic when they can't both go in.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


York has clearly gone downhill since I lived there. 


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Gooner
14 May 2020 11:44:16


 


One family on my street. One member was hospitalised but apparently recovered quickly.


Given the expansive range of symptoms COVID-19 now appears to be encompass I would estimate a 4% to 8% chance that my wife and I had it in March. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


My Uncle is now recovering and coming home tomorrow


A colleague of mine (caught it from his wife who works at the JR ) is still really bad , not hospitalised but still quite rough .


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Northern Sky
14 May 2020 11:45:48


 


York has clearly gone downhill since I lived there. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


It'll be the posho types who think rules don't apply to them. 


Probably more civilised at the Lidl in Acomb 

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