As soon as I saw you had used the Daily Mail to support your argument I stopped reading.

They are never going to be balanced when it comes to this. The RWM remain desperate to get everything going again when clearly our infection rate is far to high. 

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

I find it hard to see that " living with it" for five years is an end of the world scenario. Even if there is no vaccine it would be remarkable if there weren't better treatments and understanding of the virus. Our control methods would be refined as well. Even this Government should have worked out a coherent strategy by then. Remember we are always having to "live with" diseases including the common cold and to an extent flu with no vaccine.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

I don't know the politics of this Dr Munro, nor his motives for making such an intervention. 

But the article smacks of following the playbook of the right-wing populism espoused by figures like Cummings.

It attempts to weave a narrative of 'leftism' and 'socialism' and their linked organisations like unions, as a preserve of the 'liberal middle classes', who the narrative seeks to portray as an enemy of the [lower] working classes and similar demographic groups, with their onerous regulations, love of the 'corporate, nation-destroying EU', and unquestioning support for immigrants who take their jobs, and lazy, feckless benefits scroungers pocketing more money than them. Not to mention making them pay more for everything with their climate change lies designed to control us all.

It's all just crocodile tears. Manipulation by a right-wing who view regulations that protect consumers, workers and the environment as blocking the financial elite hoovering up an even greater proportion of productive income - and being able to keep more of it through low taxation levels and inadequate anti-tax avoidance laws.

This right wing has sought to replace what had been the pillars of working class society - communities and unions - with nationalist tribalism and sneering hate towards 'liberal middle classes'.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I'm sure the vaccine will work for a while at least, but the problem will be mass production and distribution which will take time and by the end of the year, Covid would have done plenty of damage

The Kawasaki type illness in children is a concern. So far the virus hasn't triggered immune system overreaction in most young people, which is what the Spanish Flu did

If it mutates to do this, then we are in trouble, but it wouldn't make sense for the virus to start killing its hosts, so most viruses mutate to a weaker form

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Why would anyone go out to try infect themselves.
The point is you can do most of the sensible things to avoid it without having your life micro-managed nationwide by government dictat.

Originally Posted by: four 

I don't know the politics of this Dr Munro, nor his motives for making such an intervention. 

But the article smacks of following the playbook of the right-wing populism espoused by figures like Cummings.

It attempts to weave a narrative of 'leftism' and 'socialism' and their linked organisations like unions, as a preserve of the 'liberal middle classes', who the narrative seeks to portray as an enemy of the [lower] working classes and similar demographic groups, with their onerous regulations, love of the 'corporate, nation-destroying EU', and unquestioning support for immigrants who take their jobs, and lazy, feckless benefits scroungers pocketing more money than them. Not to mention making them pay more for everything with their climate change lies designed to control us all.

It's all just crocodile tears. Manipulation by a right-wing who view regulations that protect consumers, workers and the environment as blocking the financial elite hoovering up an even greater proportion of productive income - and being able to keep more of it through low taxation levels and inadequate anti-tax avoidance laws.

This right wing has sought to replace what had been the pillars of working class society - communities and unions - with nationalist tribalism and sneering hate towards 'liberal middle classes'.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

According to unconfirmed social media reports, he is a Tory activist

But I agree with your comments. We have followed America into the Culture wars where observable truths no longer matter. "libtards" are the "enemy within" 

I used to laugh at Duane (Charmhills) and just assumed he was a bit thick, but sadly he is now the mainstream of working class opinion

No coincidence that Murdoch has a huge control over the media in both the US and UK

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

According to unconfirmed social media reports, he is a Tory activist

But I agree with your comments. We have followed America into the Culture wars where observable truths no longer matter. "libtards" are the "enemy within" 

I used to laugh at Duane (Charmhills) and just assumed he was a bit thick, but sadly he is now the mainstream of working class opinion

No coincidence that Murdoch has a huge control over the media in both the US and UK

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

that there are those on the left who have to find someone or something to blame when they run into the fact that most people don't actually have a leftist worldview.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

If in doubt blame big bad Uncle Rupert

He is a very old man on his last legs now 

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

Hope you enjoy this Maunder

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

It's fees are actually £42500 per annum, not per term, and Eton College is a Grade 1 listed building which probably presents logistical problems with regards effecting even the smallest of structural changes.  Oh and psycho has an h in it. Apart from that a reasonable view to take, I guess.

Originally Posted by: llamedos 

My only remaining ambition in life is to outlive the b*stard (and spend a night with Kelly Brook)

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Probably just the one of those that's definitely achievable 

Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 

Spain 

• 1,214 new cases 


• 87 new deaths

This is Spain lowest daily deaths total since entering lockdown

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

Who says no one is thinking of the kids? A renewed lockdown and blanket school closure due to a spike in infections would be significantly worse than a timely controlled return. That needs to be avoided at all costs. Get the schools open in a way they can steadily return to normal.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

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Coronavirus: Dozens flout lockdown rules for Telford 'rave'

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A group of about 70 people have gathered in a park for a "rave" - flouting lockdown rules and telling police they were "sick of self-isolation". West Mercia Police said a DJ had set up for the party at Granville Country Park in Telford, Shropshire, on Saturday. "We have worked so hard and sacrificed so much and this group decide it doesn't apply," one officer said.

"I'm shocked that people would care so little," they added. Police dispersed the group from the Donnington park at about 20:15 BST.

Officers said they "do not fine unless there is no other action open". They added: "We asked the group to disperse, and they did. "We would ask anyone who is thinking of organising one of these events to think of the bigger picture."

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-52696720

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Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

My only remaining ambition in life is to outlive the b*stard (and spend a night with Kelly Brook)

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

This is an horrific article.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/05/17/teaching-unions-betraying-children-claim-protect/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1589699944

Who are they betraying. This language is just not helpful.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

Absolute arseholes.

I am sick to death of the right wing media in this country. Just f*ck off. 

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs