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Brian Gaze
18 May 2020 11:56:45


 


The uptick at the end, following a stagnation, is indeed worrying - all being equal, it would suggest R is hovering around or just above 1, which obviously isn't good!


This is also very similar to the pattern of the number of new cases being detected, which has also plateaued at about 3500 a day.


This would suggest that if anything the restrictions should be tightened again, unless we're happy to have that many cases around (it's far higher than France, Spain, Italy etc).


100-150 a day in terms of deaths might be optimistic, at least outside of the lower totals reported on Sunday and Monday due to the weekend...


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


I think Harries said the infection rate is likely to be half of its current value when schools reopen in a couple of weeks. 


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fairweather
18 May 2020 11:56:47

....... what is also very interesting is if you look at the animated map on the left at the same time (better on a PC than a phone) it looks although that levelling may be caused by a wave moving to the north east and Yorkshire in particular. You see as the pink vanishes in the South East blobs increase further north. In a way that is no bad thing in that it may just be that difference in lag time and as it subsides there then numbers will fall. The danger is if they unlock too much there it could spread south again. It hink perhaps they do have to look at this regionally, unless of course it is naturally dying out anyway.


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fairweather
18 May 2020 12:01:53


 


I think Harries said the infection rate is likely to be half of its current value when schools reopen in a couple of weeks. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Doesn't seem to be reflected in this data, certainly not for all regions. The one thing withe Zoe data is the sheer number of people reporting. So even if 50% are reporting symptoms that are not Covid it will not affect the trend because it can be assumed with that population size the mis-reporting would be equal each day. So the raw numbers i.e 250,000 currently reporting symptoms could be wrong, but the trend won't be.


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Retron
18 May 2020 12:06:13


I think Harries said the infection rate is likely to be half of its current value when schools reopen in a couple of weeks. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


The obvious reply to that, then, is if it isn't - does that mean they'll keep schools mostly closed? I'd bet not.


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Tim A
18 May 2020 12:10:58

So now that there is more testing going on, I am hearing quite a few anecdotal accounts, of key workers receiving positive test results, despite being asymptomatic.  In one location they tested everyone, about half those with COVID did not have symptoms.
In one case an employee tested positive on day 1, then again on day 10 - no symptoms throughout. They isolated for 7 days following the first positive result, but have now gone back to work on their GP's advice. This person was only tested because there were tests available.
Seems there is confusion and lack of guidance about when asymptomatic people should go back to work particularly if they keep testing positive. Guidance seems to be around the period from the onset of symptoms only. Any views?


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18 May 2020 12:11:20


 


Doesn't seem to be reflected in this data, certainly not for all regions. The one thing withe Zoe data is the sheer number of people reporting. So even if 50% are reporting symptoms that are not Covid it will not affect the trend because it can be assumed with that population size the mis-reporting would be equal each day. So the raw numbers i.e 250,000 currently reporting symptoms could be wrong, but the trend won't be.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 

One thing I couldn’t find on Zoe, was how many people actually report each day and whether people report who don’t have symptoms.  It could be that fewer people bother to use it now than they did to begin with, or vice versa.


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18 May 2020 12:15:56


So now that there is more testing going on, I am hearing quite a few anecdotal accounts, of key workers receiving positive test results, despite being asymptomatic.  In one location they tested everyone, about half those with COVID did not have symptoms.
In one case an employee tested positive on day 1, then again on day 10 - no symptoms throughout. They isolated for 7 days following the first positive result, but have now gone back to work on their GP's advice. This person was only tested because there were tests available.
Seems there is confusion and lack of guidance about when asymptomatic people should go back to work particularly if they keep testing positive. Guidance seems to be around the period from the onset of symptoms only. Any views?


Originally Posted by: Tim A 

That’s an issue we’ve highlighted from early on and I don’t think there are any answers.  The more asymptomatic cases there are, the lower the morbidity percentage and possibly the more immunity there is.  It would be interesting to see if that asymptomatic positive person tested positive for antibodies as well. 


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JHutch
18 May 2020 12:18:33

Asymptomatic people can later test positive for antibodies. I did post a story earlier from Camden in north London of 5 teachers who are taking part in a study and have antibodies despite not having reported any symptoms


http://camdennewjournal.com/article/virus-may-have-already-swept-through-school-in-spring


 

fairweather
18 May 2020 12:19:42


One thing I couldn’t find on Zoe, was how many people actually report each day and whether people report who don’t have symptoms.  It could be that fewer people bother to use it now than they did to begin with, or vice versa.


Originally Posted by: Caz 


I report every day and don't have symptoms. But I agree it isn't totally clear how many of the 3.5 million members are reporting daily and that should be published really. I suspect it's still the biggest population sample kicking around though and the graphs tend to follow exactly what common sense would make you expect.


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JHutch
18 May 2020 12:25:38

Latest on the app - to be rolled out 'within weeks' although whether that is a lot of weeks or not is not clear.


 



speckledjim
18 May 2020 12:34:53


 


I report every day and don't have symptoms. But I agree it isn't totally clear how many of the 3.5 million members are reporting daily and that should be published really. I suspect it's still the biggest population sample kicking around though and the graphs tend to follow exactly what common sense would make you expect.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


I was reporting on it every 2/3 days but admittedly haven’t done it in a couple of weeks.


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JHutch
18 May 2020 12:41:16

I deleted that app about a week ago because i was just reporting no symptoms every day and was running out of space on my phone. If i start developing symptoms again then i might reinstall it and report the symptoms. Not sure if this makes me a bad person or not but can believe that a lot of others will be doing the same.

Retron
18 May 2020 12:41:41


I was reporting on it every 2/3 days but admittedly haven’t done it in a couple of weeks.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


I've been doing it daily (as it pops up each day as an alert). No option on there for whether you've had an antibody test though!


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fairweather
18 May 2020 12:46:50


I deleted that app about a week ago because i was just reporting no symptoms every day and was running out of space on my phone. If i start developing symptoms again then i might reinstall it and report the symptoms. Not sure if this makes me a bad person or not but can believe that a lot of others will be doing the same.


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


That is a drawback and I suspect other people do the same. Unfortunately from a science and statistics point of view "No symptoms" are equally as important to report and I don't really understand why people wouldn't . You don't get bonus points for having it !


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Maunder Minimum
18 May 2020 12:48:59


That’s an issue we’ve highlighted from early on and I don’t think there are any answers.  The more asymptomatic cases there are, the lower the morbidity percentage and possibly the more immunity there is.  It would be interesting to see if that asymptomatic positive person tested positive for antibodies as well. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Also, I have read from the experience in China that some people keep testing positive regardless. Odd I know. I read about one poor guy in China who is still personally locked down, despite appearing perfectly healthy, because he keeps testing positive. There must be an explanation somewhere for why that can happen, but I have not read anything on the possible reasons.


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Gavin D
18 May 2020 12:57:53
Wales has reported 101 new cases and 4 new deaths
Gavin D
18 May 2020 13:01:09

NHS England has reported 122 new hospital deaths up from 90 yesterday


Last Monday. NHS England reported 190 new hospital deaths

Saint Snow
18 May 2020 13:03:26

Lloyds have provisionally costed the total underwriting loss (all insurers, globally) at $107bn (Lloyds expect their own hit to be between $3bn and $4.3bn of that)


If lockdown restrictions extend into Q3, these figures will increase.



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Gavin D
18 May 2020 13:04:23
Scotland has reported 57 new cases and 2 new deaths
The Beast from the East
18 May 2020 13:04:46

Glad I don’t live in Scotland, no change to restrictions until 28/05.

Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


You wont be glad if you catch it thanks to Boris's reckless attitude


 


 


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Gavin D
18 May 2020 13:06:05
All 122 hospital deaths reported today in England were within the last 5-days
The Beast from the East
18 May 2020 13:06:40


 


Unfortunately nowadays it just seems full of stuff that was shown on BBC2 several years ago. 


Originally Posted by: westv 


Not always, and is that a bad thing anyway? I love watching all the documentaries and history programmes. Always something worth watching every night


 


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The Beast from the East
18 May 2020 13:07:45

All 122 hospital deaths reported today in England were within the last 5-days

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Like yesterday then


Should be a huge rise tomorrow when historical numbers are included


 


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The Beast from the East
18 May 2020 13:16:07


 


No way?!! Is that true?? It is pretty much my go to channel.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


You can sign a petition for what its worth


 




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Saint Snow
18 May 2020 13:23:51


 


You can sign a petition for what its worth


 




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


 



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