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Brian Gaze
21 June 2020 07:11:48

Very warm spell followed by cooler and more changeable conditions. Possibly another warm up in early July. All looks very typical to me in the context of the background warming we have seen in recent years.



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Brian Gaze
21 June 2020 07:12:16


Jetstream in process of switching from W-ly S of the UK to SW-ly W of the UK which should help promote the forecast warmth in the SE. However by Sat 27th a fresh pulse enfolds the UK in a loop  to Tue 30th which disperses fairly quickly in favour of a NW-ly flow lasting to Sun 5th before breaking up into meanders again


GFS shows LP out in Atlantic bringing up warm SW-ly (though LP is too close to NW to give fine weather there) filling by Fri 26th but new LP W of Ireland taking track across Scotland to Norway around Mon 29th. Week ridge of HP builds from the S for the rest of that week before shallow LP runs across  the UK NW to SE (centered over England Sun 5th) and finally another weak ridge of HP forming behind it.


GEFS for the S shows very warm Tue 23rd - Sat 27th, then dipping below norm for a couple of days before the mean of runs resumes average, but well scattered, and op & control suggest another warm spell Wed 1st - Sat 4th. Some rain about from Sat 27th, a bit more than yesterday but still not much and well scattered. Scotland temp pattern similar but a lot of rain esp in the Borders Sat 27th, and not exactly dry after that. N England intermediate as usual.


ECM is similar to GFS at first but weak trough of LP from the S on Fri 26th (possibly thundery?) before the Atlantic takes over with LP well N of Scotland Mon 29th and persisting there with W-lies across the UK, HP to the S not ridging as in GFS


Originally Posted by: DEW 


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Ally Pally Snowman
21 June 2020 07:29:07

ECM best of the big guns again this morning keeps the heat to Saturday then builds pressure in the south later on. The is very much in line with its ensembles recently so hopefully it's onto something. As other output not so good this morning. 


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Polar Low
21 June 2020 07:39:29

Aah That’s the second run Ukmo will it get another feather in its hat? we can’t discard it 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?ech=6&carte=1021




ECM best of the big guns again this morning keeps the heat to Saturday then builds pressure in the south later on. The is very much in line with its ensembles recently so hopefully it's onto something. As other output not so good this morning. 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Ally Pally Snowman
21 June 2020 08:37:28


Aah That’s the second run Ukmo will it get another feather in its hat? we can’t discard it 


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?ech=6&carte=1021


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


 


Yes certainly can't be discounted but the ECM Op, Para and Mean all much the same and all better than the UKMO. They have the weekend low arriving later, further north and have pressure rising soon after. GEM similar. 


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TimS
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21 June 2020 09:05:30

The big fly in the ointment for next week and into July seems to be our old enemy the Greenland high. Not a huge one, but present in all runs (some more than others) and forcing the jet stream South.


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TimS
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21 June 2020 10:18:31


The big fly in the ointment for next week and into July seems to be our old enemy the Greenland high. Not a huge one, but present in all runs (some more than others) and forcing the jet stream South.


Originally Posted by: TimS 


But then again negative AO and sometimes even a Greenland high have been responsible for dry sunny weather during summer too. Got me thinking. If we take two major variables in our summer weather and combine them, I think we cover most types of summer weather:



  • Positive vs negative NAO

  • strong vs weak jet



  1. Strong jet, negative NAO = 2012 style armageddon

  2. strong jet, positive NAO = NW/SE split with ridging, 2009 style

  3. weak jet, negative NAO = Easterlies, blocked patterns, May 2020 style

  4. weak jet, positive NAO = settled and dry, summers 2018, 1989 etc


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TimS
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21 June 2020 10:24:06

 as if to illustrate the point: look at this coming Sunday in GFS 06z vs 00z. The single big difference is Greenland high.



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TimS
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21 June 2020 10:28:33
I’ll continue my Sunday monologue. If 06z GFS is on to something then it’s very encouraging. Pronounced Northward shift of the jet. Not a million miles off ECM. But I suspect probably an outlier.
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21 June 2020 10:57:29

I’ll continue my Sunday monologue. If 06z GFS is on to something then it’s very encouraging. Pronounced Northward shift of the jet. Not a million miles off ECM. But I suspect probably an outlier.

Originally Posted by: TimS 


Yes, it’s a much better run. And it looks like the high may be starting to push in.


June is this part of the world has been generally very good. A couple of raining days. A few showery days. Generally warm to very warm. Sultry a times.


June 1997 was one of the worst June months I’ve ever seen. This hasn’t been the best June, but it’s been a good useful month.


 


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picturesareme
21 June 2020 16:17:48
Just read this for southeast on metoffice

"This Evening and Tonight:

.. Feeling chilly by dawn. Winds will be light. Minimum temperature 6 °C."

Really is that 6C a typo 🤔 Nothing lower then 13C being forecasted here but still 6C this late into June in the southeast is certainly noteworthy.
tierradelfuego
21 June 2020 16:38:02
Benson as an easy search for a notable cold spot shows a 7c so I suppose that'll be close enough, maybe a few spots further east being cooler...
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SJV
21 June 2020 17:00:03
12z GFS likely for the bin. Too progressive and way different to the others as well as the 6z. Expecting an outlier in the ensembles later.
moomin75
21 June 2020 17:15:23

12z GFS likely for the bin. Too progressive and way different to the others as well as the 6z. Expecting an outlier in the ensembles later.

Originally Posted by: SJV 


I expect this run is reasonably close to the mark in comparison to the 6z and doubt it'll be an outlier. The reason is because of the general trend it has been showing. If anything, the 6z was more the outlier.


However, I doubt it will be quite as cool and unsettled as this run is showing and GEM seems to prolong the heat.


That said, the UKMO looks very wet at the end of the week, although warm with it. In fact the UKMO is almost 2007 wet. Would be very concerned if that verifies.


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SJV
21 June 2020 17:35:08


 


I expect this run is reasonably close to the mark in comparison to the 6z and doubt it'll be an outlier. The reason is because of the general trend it has been showing. If anything, the 6z was more the outlier.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


As expected, the 12z operational not reflective of the mean.

doctormog
21 June 2020 17:35:42

It doesn’t look that wet away from the NW in the UKMO 12z.

https://weather.us/model-charts/gbr/united-kingdom/accumulated-precipitation/20200627-1200z.html 


moomin75
21 June 2020 17:40:49


 


As expected, the 12z operational not reflective of the mean.


Originally Posted by: SJV 

I must be looking at the wrong Ensembles because to me it looks absolutely representative of the mean after the brief hot spell.


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doctormog
21 June 2020 17:45:12


I must be looking at the wrong Ensembles because to me it looks absolutely representative of the mean after the brief hot spell.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


It significantly more anticyclonic up here than the mean for quite a while.



tierradelfuego
21 June 2020 17:53:06


I must be looking at the wrong Ensembles because to me it looks absolutely representative of the mean after the brief hot spell.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


 


Yes afraid it looks like you are, although not sure where or what you're looking at... perhaps the 6z still.


 


Reading on this site shows for 850s and 2m that the Ops is bottom of the pack at least, if not an outlier, from this Friday 26th until the 2nd July bar one day, the 28th.


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Ally Pally Snowman
21 June 2020 17:53:35

Arpege looking toasty this afternoon 31c Wednesday. 34c Thursday.


 


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moomin75
21 June 2020 18:00:32


 


 


Yes afraid it looks like you are, although not sure where or what you're looking at... perhaps the 6z still.


 


Reading on this site shows for 850s and 2m that the Ops is bottom of the pack at least, if not an outlier, from this Friday 26th until the 2nd July bar one day, the 28th.


Originally Posted by: tierradelfuego 

Look at the very first post on this page. I look at the 850s on those Ensembles and the operational rarely deviates from the average. Maybe pressure is a bit of an outlier, but the 850s and precipitation certainly aren't.


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tierradelfuego
21 June 2020 18:10:43
Sorry Moomin, but if you can't see the green line is at or close to the bottom on the 850s for most of the days I noted, then I'm not sure anyone other than Specsavers can help. I was looking at Reading, London is similar, only the 28th and 30th aren't there.
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SJV
21 June 2020 18:13:21

It is indeed a significant pressure outlier, and at the bottom of the 850s as well, bringing the breakdown in first. A quick look at the postage stamps confirms how much of an outlier the 12z op is. No idea why there's such controversy on this? It's an outlier FFS! 



With the pressure being such an outlier it makes the 850s a little less significant anyway as there would be far more cloud and precipitation around to suppress temperatures.


Over Wales and the West Midlands for example there is a 7C difference between the op and the mean for the 2m temp. This negative agenda is getting more tiresome by the day.


SJV
21 June 2020 18:36:33
ECM keeps it hot on Friday with the far SE also getting away with a hot Saturday.

GFS op very much on its own this evening engaging the low further south of Iceland at t96.
Ally Pally Snowman
21 June 2020 18:43:09

ECM keeps it hot on Friday with the far SE also getting away with a hot Saturday.

GFS op very much on its own this evening engaging the low further south of Iceland at t96.

Originally Posted by: SJV 


 


Also lovely push in from the Azores on tonight's ECM days 7\8


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