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Ally Pally Snowman
01 August 2020 06:52:35

Staggeringly hot ECM. We'd be looking at records if it verifies. 40c?


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DEW
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01 August 2020 06:55:13

10-day summary showing above average temps for next week but not lasting. Not a lot of rain away from the west.


GFS not as bullish as previously, a longer spell of westerlies (to Thu 6th) and a little flirting with local LP before ridge of HP establishes through to Wed 12th. LP then moves in from Atlantic; coolish with  centres off NI Sun 16th though SE still hanging on to dry and warm, just. Quite different from yesterday!


GEFS for the S , cool for a few days, then hot ca Wed 5th - Mon 10th dropping off to a bit above norm through to Wed 17th. Doesn't match the GFS at all in temps, but better agreement in almost no rain. Scotland no more than warm for 5th-10th and then fairly close to norm; small amounts of rain on and off


ECM takes a different view from Fri 7th with UK on the edge of massive HP over Baltic persisting with a plume (almost too broad a front to be called a plume).then hinting at LP in the Atlantic getting closer Mon 10th but much weaker than GFS


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doctormog
01 August 2020 06:58:06


Staggeringly hot ECM. We'd be looking at records if it verifies. 40c?


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


34°C based on this run. The next few days should prove very interesting.


Heavy Weather 2013
01 August 2020 07:11:43


 


Yet another cool outlier compared with GEFS and the other models. It’s been a pattern all summer. Even then we’re still looking at mid 20s maxes in the SE most of the time. 


Originally Posted by: TimS 


Yes, the operational has been a bit iffy compared to the GEFS


Mark
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TimS
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01 August 2020 07:12:04
By the way while we’ve been shivering under grey skies most of this last month, France has just had its driest July since its (admittedly short - only since 1959) national series began.

http://www.meteofrance.fr/actualites/84211047-juillet-2020-mois-de-juillet-le-plus-sec-depuis-1959 

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superteacher
01 August 2020 07:31:07


 


34°C based on this run. The next few days should prove very interesting.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


34C raw would no doubt give at least 36C actual temperature. It was around 4C below the actual temperature yesterday.

Ally Pally Snowman
01 August 2020 07:33:07


 


34°C based on this run. The next few days should prove very interesting.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


 


It had 33c for yesterday so 100f again possible.


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
01 August 2020 07:34:39


 


34C raw would no doubt give at least 36C actual temperature. It was around 4C below the actual temperature yesterday.


Originally Posted by: superteacher 


 


Yes indeed also the fact unlike yesterday's one day wonder this is more like 4 or 5 days of sustained heat.


 


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moomin75
01 August 2020 07:44:58


 


 


Yes indeed also the fact unlike yesterday's one day wonder this is more like 4 or 5 days of sustained heat.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

I am pretty sure if the setup stayed as the ECM is showing we will have another crack at 38c from next weekend onwards, and as you say, 40c wouldn't be out of the question. If we can get 100F from literally a two day waft after a cool July, anything is possible.


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Heavy Weather 2013
01 August 2020 08:05:04

What do our seasoned experts think we need to be seeing on the charts to get a 40C.


850s and Wind Direction etc?


Mark
Beckton, E London
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Rob K
01 August 2020 08:06:40
It’s looking more like another short sharp hot blast than a prolonged heatwave on this morning’s GEFS. Still enough time and scatter to allow something special though.
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Heavy Weather 2013
01 August 2020 08:08:49

It’s looking more like another short sharp hot blast than a prolonged heatwave on this morning’s GEFS. Still enough time and scatter to allow something special though.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Yep, I think it’s the low pressure coming into the west that’s causing the issues. We sort of need it to pump the air in.


More runs needed. A bit more scatter today than recently. But it would be great to have another super hot day to challenge the record.


Mark
Beckton, E London
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superteacher
01 August 2020 08:33:22


What do our seasoned experts think we need to be seeing on the charts to get a 40C.


850s and Wind Direction etc?


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I’m not a so-called expert, but I think for 40C, you’d need:


Uppers of 22C.


A dry preceding period.


A hot day prior to the “40C” day, with a very warm night.


Very hot conditions over France.


SSE / SE wind to import the heat, but not too strong.


Clear skies.


Warm SST’s.


Sufficient insolation, so would probably need to happen no later than mid August.

briggsy6
01 August 2020 08:48:02

it feels like with every passing summer the chances of reaching 40c are getting gradually greater. It's only a matter of time surely.


I find it analogous to the first televised 147 break. I remember my excitement watching it as a child. But since then standards of play have improved so much that they're not that unusual any more.


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The Beast from the East
01 August 2020 08:52:26

Horrific stuff for those with breathing problems as it is, not to mention having to wear muzzles in shops. 


I was hoping we would get away with a retro 80s summer, but sadly not


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GezM
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01 August 2020 09:28:18
I'm expecting to see that GEFS peak sharpen over the next few days and drop quickly back to average. It seems to be a summer that prohibits prolonged hot spells.
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superteacher
01 August 2020 09:45:51

I'm expecting to see that GEFS peak sharpen over the next few days and drop quickly back to average. It seems to be a summer that prohibits prolonged hot spells.

Originally Posted by: GezM 


I would be very surprised if it goes back to average quickly. The background signals are now more conducive to above average and settled conditions than at any point so far this summer.

Heavy Weather 2013
01 August 2020 10:44:53

GFS Op 06z Temps:


Thu: 30C


Fri: 33C


Saturday: 34C


Sunday: 31C


On this run, Friday and Saturday have good record 'potential again'.


 


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
superteacher
01 August 2020 11:07:11


GFS Op 06z Temps:


Thu: 30C


Fri: 33C


Saturday: 34C


Sunday: 31C


On this run, Friday and Saturday have good record 'potential again'.


 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Could get 4 consecutive 90F days there.

picturesareme
01 August 2020 12:05:12


 


I’m not a so-called expert, but I think for 40C, you’d need:


Uppers of 22C.


A dry preceding period.


A hot day prior to the “40C” day, with a very warm night.


Very hot conditions over France.


SSE / SE wind to import the heat, but not too strong.


Clear skies.


Warm SST’s.


Sufficient insolation, so would probably need to happen no later than mid August.


Originally Posted by: superteacher 


you also forgot a nearby heavily built up urban area, or large busy international airport. 😉

Hungry Tiger
01 August 2020 13:34:08

I wonder how long this next hot sequence will last. How many days in a row of 30C and over.


 


 


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briggsy6
01 August 2020 15:09:07

The fewer the better as far as I'm concerned. Roll on Autumn - mind you that doesn't seem to begin until October these days.


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TimS
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01 August 2020 15:12:51


 


you also forgot a nearby heavily built up urban area, or large busy international airport. 😉


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Or picturesque botanical garden / national fruit tree collection.


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Bertwhistle
01 August 2020 15:36:48


 


Or picturesque botanical garden / national fruit tree collection.


Originally Posted by: TimS 



However, plenty of means across the GFS ENS options of high twenties plus, even later in the run.


Does look more spike than spread as far as the next projected hot spell goes, though.


 


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picturesareme
01 August 2020 16:50:56


 


Or picturesque botanical garden / national fruit tree collection.


Originally Posted by: TimS 


would that be picturesque garden in near a heavily built up urban area.. like central London for example??

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