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Rob K
05 August 2020 15:00:44


 


I think the cloud will break, especially the further east you are.


Temps have certainly shot up today here - not surprised that Mildenhall is reporting 28. Bit of mid-level cloud making the sunshine a bit hazy from time to time.


Originally Posted by: superteacher 


East is definitely best today - 28C in Norfolk and Suffolk but only 22C here 35 miles to the west of London.


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superteacher
05 August 2020 15:04:55


 


East is definitely best today - 28C in Norfolk and Suffolk but only 22C here 35 miles to the west of London.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Hopefully the cloud on the front will break tomorrow. It is quite a patchy front in terms of rainfall which gives me hope.

Heavy Weather 2013
05 August 2020 15:46:38

Kew and Heathrow now down to 37C on the Met Office.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Its back up to 38C in Heathrow 


Mark
Beckton, E London
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picturesareme
05 August 2020 16:14:58


 


Dodgy exposure, and it’s a lot higher than most surrounding stations. Then again, Gravesend was often much higher than other local stations.


Originally Posted by: superteacher 


The same to with Heathrow or even down here. Often either Thorney or (rarely both together) Solent (now gosport fleetland) would be higher then surrounding areas. 

picturesareme
05 August 2020 16:16:43


 


Non-standard thermometer screening, according to Trevor Harley:


 


"There was a remarkable hot spell, although it is quite difficult to be certain about the exact temperatures, because of (a) uncertainty about screening, and (b) temperatures were taken in F rather than C. The reading of 38.1C - 100.5F - claimed at Greenwich on the 22nd is now not accepted, as the screening conditions at Greenwich were nonstandard; it is more likely to have been about 36.1C - still quite a temperature, and the record for July (until 2006). 97F (36.1C) was also recorded at Epsom, favoured because there was shelter from the light southerly breeze."


https://www.trevorharley.com/1911.html


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


It was a metoffice recording still. A little while back i was actually reading of it on metoffice website in their historical section.

Bertwhistle
05 August 2020 16:21:14


 


Non-standard thermometer screening, according to Trevor Harley:


 


"There was a remarkable hot spell, although it is quite difficult to be certain about the exact temperatures, because of (a) uncertainty about screening, and (b) temperatures were taken in F rather than C. The reading of 38.1C - 100.5F - claimed at Greenwich on the 22nd is now not accepted, as the screening conditions at Greenwich were nonstandard; it is more likely to have been about 36.1C - still quite a temperature, and the record for July (until 2006). 97F (36.1C) was also recorded at Epsom, favoured because there was shelter from the light southerly breeze."


https://www.trevorharley.com/1911.html


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Anyone else find it remarkable that it was the same date in 1868, and the same temperature to the degree F, quoted as an old record for Tonbridge? Also discounted.


Lack of reliable apparatus means the potential for a 40°C max on 'Hot Wednesday' (July 1808) is under-researched.


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Rob K
05 August 2020 16:39:11


 


It was a metoffice recording still. A little while back i was actually reading of it on metoffice website in their historical section.


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Yes I put a link to the Monthly Weather Report on the previous page. I need to explore the archives on that site - looks like there is loads of good stuff.


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picturesareme
05 August 2020 17:11:51
I find it odd that despite 38C on the Met automated temperature for Heathrow all the surrounding towns are being forecasted in the 32C-33C range.. places like Slough, Hayes, Hounslow, Stanwell, etc. To me this really highlights the anomaly Heathrow is.
TimS
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05 August 2020 17:19:16

I find it odd that despite 38C on the Met automated temperature for Heathrow all the surrounding towns are being forecasted in the 32C-33C range.. places like Slough, Hayes, Hounslow, Stanwell, etc. To me this really highlights the anomaly Heathrow is.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


In reality most days where Heathrow is the hottest location (and it’s not actually as common as you might think, even when London is the warmest region) the nearby sites of Northolt, St James Park, Kew, Wisley - and sometimes down to Charlwood- are there or thereabouts. I am pretty sure this is human intervention by the Met Office. I think when most apps search “London” they get Heathrow. 


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Bertwhistle
05 August 2020 17:29:55

I find it odd that despite 38C on the Met automated temperature for Heathrow all the surrounding towns are being forecasted in the 32C-33C range.. places like Slough, Hayes, Hounslow, Stanwell, etc. To me this really highlights the anomaly Heathrow is.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


My point exactly on the date record thread. Qu (me):


This is very interesting because, as you say, 38 is forecast for Heathrow, and also for Kew, with 37 for Northolt.


 


Yet other locations in the area are forecast to be 5 or more degrees lower- for example, Wembley, Twickenham, Richmond, Kingston, Chertsey and London only 33; Staines 32. 


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superteacher
05 August 2020 17:37:38

I find it odd that despite 38C on the Met automated temperature for Heathrow all the surrounding towns are being forecasted in the 32C-33C range.. places like Slough, Hayes, Hounslow, Stanwell, etc. To me this really highlights the anomaly Heathrow is.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Yet Northolt is showing 37.

picturesareme
05 August 2020 17:42:11


 


In reality most days where Heathrow is the hottest location (and it’s not actually as common as you might think, even when London is the warmest region) the nearby sites of Northolt, St James Park, Kew, Wisley - and sometimes down to Charlwood- are there or thereabouts. I am pretty sure this is human intervention by the Met Office. I think when most apps search “London” they get Heathrow. 


Originally Posted by: TimS 


on the contrary it is often one of the UK hotpots.. I did something recently i checked the metoffice twitter page for the UK hotpots and Heathrow was very frequently one of them. I checked around 20 days i think it was and Heathrow was 7/8  times the national hot spot.  

picturesareme
05 August 2020 17:48:44


 


My point exactly on the date record thread. Qu (me):


This is very interesting because, as you say, 38 is forecast for Heathrow, and also for Kew, with 37 for Northolt.


 


Yet other locations in the area are forecast to be 5 or more degrees lower- for example, Wembley, Twickenham, Richmond, Kingston, Chertsey and London only 33; Staines 32. 


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


All three locations are often hot spots and are all located within close proximity of each other. Perhaps a combination of urbanisation & local terrain play a part? The heat equivalents to say Braemar & Altnaharra are for cold? 

TimS
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05 August 2020 18:36:36


 


All three locations are often hot spots and are all located within close proximity of each other. Perhaps a combination of urbanisation & local terrain play a part? The heat equivalents to say Braemar & Altnaharra are for cold? 


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


They do well with Southerly or SSE winds or calm (though St James park often wins in dead calm), my local one London City airport is good in Westerlies but not if there’s any Easterly component to the flow 


I would say there is a long standing UHI influence at Heathrow, Northolt, St JP, Gatwick, City airport, the old Gravesend Broadness and possibly Kew although given how localised UHIs are and how much green is around Kew that one is more questionable. On the UHI maps from peak nights the strongest impact is in zone 1 central London, although St James park is a relatively cool island because of the string of parks in the area. UHI is overwhelmingly a night phenomenon but there are measurable daytime effects in mid latitude cities like London.

Topographically they are definitely hotspots as they are very low altitude, practically sea level, and sheltered by the downs but without being coastal. Gloucestershire airport is another one with similar topography in the West Country.


The other hotspot which annoyingly has no local weather station is the Medway valley north of Maidstone. On reanalysis maps always very hot as it’s at or close to sea level, sheltered to the South, West and East and close to but not right by the Thames Estuary. It’s where Chapel Down have their award winning Kits Coty vineyard which is just about the hottest in the country alongside the Crouch Valley vineyards in Essex.


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Heavy Weather 2013
05 August 2020 18:37:01
MetOffice app now only showing 37C
Mark
Beckton, E London
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TimS
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05 August 2020 18:43:22
Arôme gives us 31C in East London tomorrow. 21C at 7am on Friday (only goes that far).
Brockley, South East London 30m asl
scillydave
05 August 2020 19:09:49
I've a feeling that Heathrow is one of the few automated forecasts that also receives human input hence increased reliability. They are adding human input to many more sites for the Met Office App in the near future so it should be much more reliable.
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Bertwhistle
05 August 2020 19:27:11

MetOffice app now only showing 37C

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Oh no; only 37. I don't think I can bear the disappointment. 


Just another day then.


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Heavy Weather 2013
05 August 2020 19:54:03


 


Oh no; only 37. I don't think I can bear the disappointment. 


Just another day then.


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


Ha, I realised after I wrote that how stupid it sounded.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Heavy Weather 2013
05 August 2020 21:23:33
IPhone app has now joined the MetOffice app on 37C.

BBC lagging behind at 35C.

37C seems to be the form horse.
Mark
Beckton, E London
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Heavy Weather 2013
05 August 2020 21:32:56
It’s crazy to think it took 16 years to reach 100F again after 2003.

We then reach 100F again just over a year later.

We are potentially going to hit it again a week after that.

Unbelievable really.
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
sunny coast
05 August 2020 21:40:58
Week ahead BBC at 955 had max of 34 Fri and my phone app say 33 for Heathrow now Fri and down to 28 by Sat and cooler Sunday
Rob K
06 August 2020 00:43:57

Week ahead BBC at 955 had max of 34 Fri and my phone app say 33 for Heathrow now Fri and down to 28 by Sat and cooler Sunday

Originally Posted by: sunny coast 


iphone app for Heathrow has 30C+ for the next six days: 30, 36, 33, 31, 32, 32, then 29 on Wednesday. 


Met Office has 29, 37, 35, 33, 33, 33.


A long hot spell by any measure. 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Retron
06 August 2020 03:16:02
Heathrow still showing 37C this morning on the automated output.

However, the text forecast goes against it - which seems unusual and presumably rules out human "tweaking" to the automated forecast?

"Another mainly dry day with some long sunny spells, although an isolated shower is possible later in the day. Very hot inland, but onshore breezes keeping coastal areas cooler. Maximum temperature 35 °C."
Leysdown, north Kent
Heavy Weather 2013
06 August 2020 04:50:56

Heathrow still showing 37C this morning on the automated output.

However, the text forecast goes against it - which seems unusual and presumably rules out human "tweaking" to the automated forecast?

"Another mainly dry day with some long sunny spells, although an isolated shower is possible later in the day. Very hot inland, but onshore breezes keeping coastal areas cooler. Maximum temperature 35 °C."

Originally Posted by: Retron 


Looks like they have tweaked it to 36C now. 


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.

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