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Whiteout
12 January 2021 14:57:47

More hints on the latest Met youtube video. Forecasters getting involved now which can't be a bad thing. 


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Gandalf The White
12 January 2021 15:02:51


My first ever post here. So please be gentle!


I have been a lurker for many years and learnt a lot from those more meteorologically educated than I am. From my readings I have (I think) learned to decipher a good cold chart from a bad one (yes I crave cold and snow ❄️)


I thought I’d post this in this thread as I suppose I should do, although I have mainly been frequenting the model output discussion thread over many a winter.


 


I wonder if any of the forecasters mentioned in this article frequent TWO?


I would post a screenshot of the article, but I’ve no idea how to so


PS. Thanks Brian for sorting out my membership and login issues.


 


EDIT - Can someone please let me know how to post links here please?


im trying to share a link to an article from the Derbyshire Live regarding a local forecasters thoughts on the weeks ahead (hint- it’s a snowy one)


Originally Posted by: JRobinson 


Welcome!


Is this the link? https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/2021-a-winter-to-remember-4838061


All you need to do is select and copy the web address from your browser and paste it into the reply.


 


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Gandalf The White
12 January 2021 15:05:53




Here it is:

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/derby-news/big-freeze-due-for-derbyshire-4879709 

Just copy and past the link in (not sure why it was coming up as spam?)

I don't recognise either of those mentioned (Robert Shaw and Martin Harris - though of course they could well be known only by pseudonyms) and to be honest, they are only really saying what a lot of other amateurs are saying (and most amateurs tend to favour cold weather in winter!)


Originally Posted by: Essan 


LOL, I was sidetracked whilst finding that piece.


An interesting read, whatever the pedigree of the forecasters.


Suddenly things are starting to get more serious in terms of probable cold; but there's still a question mark about where the cold/mild boundary ends up.  Personally I'd settle for the M4 corridor but a few might disagree. 😂


 


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
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tallyho_83
12 January 2021 15:20:44


Sunday 17 Jan - Tuesday 26 Jan


Settled conditions for most on Sunday, however light rain may remain across the far east with blustery showers pushing across north and western parts at times. Into the next week unsettled conditions will continue with winds from the north bringing cold conditions from Scandinavia across much of the country by the end of the week. Rainfall is also expected for the north with a risk of organised snowfall especially over high ground. Drier in the south with the potential for frontal bands bringing rain and or snow at times. Temperatures most likely rather cold/cold for much of the UK, but a chance near or slightly above average in association with any rain that cross the south.


Tuesday 26 Jan - Tuesday 9 Feb


Confidence for this period is low, though there is a signal for weaker than average westerly winds with Atlantic systems likely to track further south than normal. Therefore, for the north of the UK risk of precipitation is expected with temperatures around average to a little below. Further south there is an increased chance of unsettled conditions, with above average precipitation and with periods where temperatures may be slightly above average also. Through this period there is a greater than average chance of cold spells across the UK with the associated risk of wintry hazards. There is potential at times for significant snowfall on the boundary between milder and colder air masses, with greatest risk across central and northern areas.


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/


 


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


What we need - Scandinavia has cooled down so an easterly would be colder and this was the issue with the last easterly was that 1. it wasn't far east enough/too far west instead and 2. Scandinavia /E Europe wasn't cold enough - and of course warmer North sea and lack of cold uppers.. etc.,


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Rob K
12 January 2021 15:27:50
If the North Sea is still anomalously warm then some proper -16C uppers coming across should be jackpot territory.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Gooner
12 January 2021 15:30:42

Good update ( first half anyway )


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


JRobinson
12 January 2021 15:45:15

Thanks for the reply and advice regarding posting links.


copy and pasting the link was exactly what I did. But kept getting the Spam message whenever I tried to send it. Not sure why either 🤔


another question please...


 


how do I reply including a quote from another post?


apart from copy and pasting again I can’t see any other method of doing so, but this would look as if I’m just posting exactly the same as someone else has already written!


 


 thanks.


 


john

Gandalf The White
12 January 2021 15:49:08


Thanks for the reply and advice regarding posting links.


copy and pasting the link was exactly what I did. But kept getting the Spam message whenever I tried to send it. Not sure why either 🤔


another question please...


 


how do I reply including a quote from another post?


apart from copy and pasting again I can’t see any other method of doing so, but this would look as if I’m just posting exactly the same as someone else has already written!


 


 thanks.


 


john


Originally Posted by: JRobinson 


 


Reply by using the 'Quote' button at the top of the message, not the 'Post Reply' one.


(You can always edit out parts of the message if you only want to quote part of it)


No idea why you got the spam message - I've never had it and I don't see why it would appear, to be honest.



Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


JRobinson
12 January 2021 16:18:25
Sorry but either I’m acting really slow today or my browser isn’t behaving.

I don’t see any “quote” button with which to use?
tallyho_83
12 January 2021 17:25:35

Sorry but either I’m acting really slow today or my browser isn’t behaving.

I don’t see any “quote” button with which to use?

Originally Posted by: JRobinson 


Hover  over top right hand corner of message and it will appear as will the retweet icon.


 


 


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JRobinson
12 January 2021 19:46:35


 


Hover  over top right hand corner of message and it will appear as will the retweet icon.


 


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


Thankyou!

Gooner
12 January 2021 21:59:10

21:55


Nothing great for next week , " sleet and snow mainly in the hills "


 


D Bett 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Tractor Boy
12 January 2021 22:16:44


21:55


Nothing great for next week , " sleet and snow mainly in the hills "


D Bett 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


But he did use the word "clearier" when taking about today, which made me smile (as in ..."drier, brighter and clearier") 


Other than that I wish I hadn't bothered.


Dave
Farndale, North York Moors
moomin75
12 January 2021 22:18:44


21:55


Nothing great for next week , " sleet and snow mainly in the hills "


 


D Bett 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Not unsurprising given the synoptics. Not sure why you would think there is anything particularly special on the horizon.


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Crepuscular Ray
12 January 2021 22:32:29
He couldn't stop mentioning the milder weather to the west and southwest......he's not one of us 🤔
Jerry
Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill
Gooner
12 January 2021 22:34:47


Not unsurprising given the synoptics. Not sure why you would think there is anything particularly special on the horizon.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Because the Met ( A Deakin ) has mentioned it and the charts are hinting at it 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Rob K
13 January 2021 08:10:13


Good update ( first half anyway )


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


As always, as soon as the Met long-rangers tentatively climb on board the cold wagon, it immediately derails. Every time a winner :)


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Whether Idle
13 January 2021 08:18:06


 


As always, as soon as the Met long-rangers tentatively climb on board the cold wagon, it immediately derails. Every time a winner :)


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


LOL


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
fullybhoy
13 January 2021 10:49:30
Amber warning for snow issued for parts of Scotland and northern England for later today and tomorrow
Aldo
Glasgow 165m/asl
 
Crepuscular Ray
13 January 2021 10:59:01

Amber warning for snow issued for parts of Scotland and northern England for later today and tomorrow

Originally Posted by: fullybhoy 


Just seen that Alan and I'm just in it!!


Jerry
Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill
fullybhoy
13 January 2021 11:18:35


 


Just seen that Alan and I'm just in it!!


Originally Posted by: Crepuscular Ray 


More snow for you 🙈😂 Yellow warning just been issued for Saturday as well 


Aldo
Glasgow 165m/asl
 
tallyho_83
13 January 2021 12:29:01


 


What are your thoughts about the BBC using Meteogroup for their forecasts and not the Met Office?


Louise Lear - Who I have great respect for showed large parts of the central southern areas of the UK covered in snow on the radar map but never mentioned it. All she said was I quote - "We will see low pressure never far away and it looks like it is going to stay unsettled as we look further ahead!" - However, I saw quite a lot of snow on the BBC graphics - taken a screenshot




 


Looks similar to this mornings GFS Operational 06z run @ 240z:



Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


A reminder once again - also keep in mind Ben Rich's week ahead forecast which had many parts of the south covered in snow was not mentioned either and it looks like cold rain could be the option now...


 


 


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Whiteout
13 January 2021 14:09:56

Met update:


From Monday onwards unsettled conditions look likely to continue, with winds from the north bringing colder conditions from a cold airmass currently resident over Scandinavia west across the north and potentially much of the country at times throughout the week. A north-easterly flow may bring frequent showers, particularly to the northern windward coasts, possibly falling as snow over high ground and sometimes down to low levels. The jet stream will become shifted southwards bringing rain to southern areas throughout the week, with a possibility of some organised snowfall forming on the leading edge of these features. Temperatures most likely rather cold for the north of the UK and near or slightly above average temperatures across the south, but cold spells can't be ruled out here also.


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Gavin D
13 January 2021 14:29:35

Monday 18 Jan - Wednesday 27 Jan


From Monday onwards unsettled conditions look likely to continue, with winds from the north bringing colder conditions from a cold airmass currently resident over Scandinavia west across the north and potentially much of the country at times throughout the week. A north-easterly flow may bring frequent showers, particularly to the northern windward coasts, possibly falling as snow over high ground and sometimes down to low levels. The jet stream will become shifted southwards bringing rain to southern areas throughout the week, with a possibility of some organised snowfall forming on the leading edge of these features. Temperatures most likely rather cold for the north of the UK and near or slightly above average temperatures across the south, but cold spells can't be ruled out here also.


Wednesday 27 Jan - Wednesday 10 Feb


Confidence for this period is low, though there is a signal for weaker than average westerly winds with Atlantic systems likely to track further south than normal. Therefore, for the north of the UK risk of precipitation is expected with temperatures around average to a little below. Further south there is an increased chance of unsettled conditions, with above average precipitation and with periods where temperatures may be slightly above average also. Through this period there is a greater than average chance of cold spells across the UK with the associated risk of wintry hazards. There is potential at times for significant snowfall on the boundary between milder and colder air masses, with greatest risk across central and northern areas.


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/


 

Gavin D
13 January 2021 14:31:33

BBC monthly outlook


Summary


Often unsettled with increasing risk of cold


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Wednesday 13 January – Sunday 17 January


Variable temperatures but less cold than recently


The rest of the working week is expected to see some quite changeable weather across the UK, with a low pressure system on Wednesday and Thursday bringing some widespread rain and cloudy skies. For Northern Ireland, rain will be heavy and last for much of the day, bringing a risk of some local flooding. Scotland and Northern England will see a risk of snow or ice for higher ground. From Thursday and into Friday, a ridge of high pressure will extend into the UK from the south and southwest, bringing a respite from the wet weather and also keeping temperatures hovering near normal.

However, the next low pressure system will begin to push in from the west, reaching Northern Ireland and western Scotland overnight Friday into the weekend, so not everyone will be dry. This low will make for an unsettled weekend with some milder but wetter weather for Saturday followed by a drier, colder and windier Sunday. There will be a split in temperatures with northern areas a bit colder than normal on Sunday while the southern half of the country is near or a little above normal, but cloudier. In short, we expect a volatile week of temperature swings and frequent rain, along with a chance of some snow for northern areas.


Monday 18 January – Sunday 24 January


Wetter weather with some cold snaps


As we enter late-January, the forecast gets more complicated. There are some strong signals for the low pressure track (which at the moment is displaced south in Spain and Italy) to return nearer to the UK, which would bring milder but wetter and windier weather. However, this comes with a rather large caveat: the polar vortex. This is a circulation of winds in the stratosphere, about 40-60 kilometres above the surface, and typically keeps cold Arctic air trapped at the pole. In early January, the vortex weakened and became displaced over Europe, and it's still overhead now. It usually takes a few weeks for the effects to reach the surface, so around mid-to-late January until early February we expect an increased chance of cold outbreaks.

It continues to look like the coldest weather will miss us to the east, staying mostly in Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, and western Russia. There is still uncertainty on the westward extent of the cold air, and we could see a few cold blasts mixed in with some milder, wetter spells. These will be felt most in eastern and northern parts of the UK, while southern and western areas more often slightly milder. A highly variable forecast with large swings in temperature along with some wet and windy days is still expected, continuing from mid-January. Confidence is medium to low on the forecast, mainly due to the uncertainty in the temperatures. The UK is on a fine line between being more frequently cold or more frequently mild. There is greater risk of more widespread cold, as we have seen in previous years with a displaced polar vortex.


Thursday 25 February – Sunday 7 February


Unsettled with cold outbreaks nearby


Towards the end of January and into early February, there continues to be strong signals for a return of low pressure tracking from the south bringing wetter, windier, and milder conditions. However, a second weakening of the polar vortex is beginning in Siberia now, and this will likely delay the milder air from reaching us, prolonging the risk of cold. As the polar vortex returns to the Arctic and strengthens again by early February, we should begin to see the cold become less widespread, but this may be delayed for north Europe until nearer to mid-February. As with the previous week, we expect the cold to mostly stay to the east of us and low pressure to be the dominant feature, especially into February.

The UK will tend to find itself on the boundary between the cold high pressure to the east and the milder low pressure to the west, so confidence is pretty low on the specifics. A minor shift in the weather pattern will lead to some large changes in the expected conditions for the UK, so some caution is needed at this range. In general, it will likely be on the colder side of average mixed with some mild, wetter spells that last for 2-3 days at a time. Between low pressure systems there will be some sharp cold snaps, with a chance that cold could well turn more widespread if the polar vortex lingers in Russia longer than expected.


Further ahead


As a second polar vortex weakening event is ongoing, we will be able to look deeper into February next time to examine when the cold outbreak may end.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/outlook


 

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