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moomin75
24 January 2021 17:02:51


Flooding looks to be the main concern during the next 10 days IMO. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Yes, if GFS is on the money. However, GEM is very interesting and I think has performed quite well this winter. A half way house between the two could be REALLY interesting. ECM was trending that way this morning too.


I don't think we've seen the last of the snow yet...and I do feel that March will deliver something significant.

Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Quantum
24 January 2021 17:05:17

And so the GFS and ICON have swapped places on the 12z.


And so at T+72 hours we still have no idea whether Northern England will be mild with 8C or snowy at 2C.


12Z GFS vs 6Z at 84h. A world of difference.


Netweather GFS Image


Netweather GFS Image

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Brian Gaze
24 January 2021 17:06:09

Arpege is going for a big snow event in much of the country on Thursday. Wow!


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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hobensotwo
24 January 2021 17:07:29
That's quite a cold pool building just to the North East on that gfs op run. Just need a LP to under cut, and we're in business.
There could be some big dippers amongst the ens scatter in FI.
doctormog
24 January 2021 17:09:02
The uncertainty about the extent of the mild air is very clear in the GFS 12z ensemble data. By 00:00 on Friday the t850hPa range here is +4.8°C to -8.9°C (and the range is much smaller before and after).
Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
Quantum
24 January 2021 17:10:01

I honestly think the ARPEGE will be right.


Have it so far south I miss out completely. At 51 HOURS how can there be so much uncertainty!



 

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Joe Bloggs
24 January 2021 17:10:30


Arpege is going for a big snow event in much of the country on Thursday. Wow!



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Lol makes me feel like Doc ;-) 


Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL
doctormog
24 January 2021 17:13:49


 


Lol makes me feel like Doc ;-) 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Not sure whether to be honoured or offended. 


If the GFS 12z op run came to fruition the depth of snow in the East Highlands would be remarkable (none here of course) I would expect it to be a bit of a colder outlier later in the ensemble suite.

Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
CField
24 January 2021 17:32:34

Critical week this week for this (halfwayhouse ) winter....


Chart of the winter for me...


Favourite snowstorm
Famous channel low
Dec 31st 1978
Hastings East Sussex
Foot of level snow severe drifting
Next day max temp -4 degrees Celsius
doctormog
24 January 2021 17:44:43


Critical week this week for this (halfwayhouse ) winter....


Chart of the winter for me...



Originally Posted by: CField 


It looks rather unpleasant with lots of cold rain about at that time point. http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2021012412/gem-2-150.png?12

Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
Joe Bloggs
24 January 2021 17:47:37


 


Not sure whether to be honoured or offended. 


If the GFS 12z op run came to fruition the depth of snow in the East Highlands would be remarkable (none here of course) I would expect it to be a bit of a colder outlier later in the ensemble suite.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


haha honoured of course! :D


In terms of the models - lots more chilly weather, chance of marginal snow events with some temporary milder air. Rain around the coasts. Lots of uncertainty. The potential for A LOT of snow over the hills as you say Doc. 


Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL
Joe Bloggs
24 January 2021 17:54:13


 


It looks rather unpleasant with lots of cold rain about at that time point. http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2021012412/gem-2-150.png?12


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


FWIW this is the corresponding uppers chart. https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GEMOPEU12_150_2.png


I’d suggest a fair bit of snow too. 


Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL
squish
24 January 2021 18:04:10
Ukmo looks very promising at +144
D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
Quantum
24 January 2021 18:26:47

ECM more similar to ARPEGE. This  is Wednesday. ECM would offer the potential for a disruptive snow event.


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Joe Bloggs
24 January 2021 18:30:10

12z ECM t+144


A bit of hope for the Kent crew? 



Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL
Snow Hoper
24 January 2021 18:31:16


12z ECM t+144


A bit of hope for the Kent crew? 



Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Think the Para has something similar happening.

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moomin75
24 January 2021 18:31:32


12z ECM t+144


A bit of hope for the Kent crew? 



Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

It seems to me at this stage to be GEM/ECM/UKMO v GFS.


The first three are bringing cold back fairly soon. Exciting times ahead.

Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
White Meadows
24 January 2021 18:35:03
CFS (albeit poorly respected) now showing a freezing February 🥶


https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/CFSv2/imagesInd3/euT2mMonInd1.gif 

Joe Bloggs
24 January 2021 18:36:59


It seems to me at this stage to be GEM/ECM/UKMO v GFS.


The first three are bringing cold back fairly soon. Exciting times ahead.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


It certainly looks tonight that mild weather will be short lived and may not arrive at all in the north. 


LOTS to keep us on our toes over the next week - marginal being a key word. Potentially a fair bit of snow in central areas especially with altitude. 


Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL
White Meadows
24 January 2021 18:37:19

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Brian Gaze
24 January 2021 18:38:12

GEFS35 also suggesting below average temps for much of Feb.


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gefs.aspx?run=na&lg=850temp_35day&lglocation=London&charthour=006&chartname=ps_500hpa&chartregion=na-region&p=1&charttag=PS%20500hPa%20(GPDM)


 

Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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White Meadows
24 January 2021 18:41:07


GEFS35 also suggesting below average temps for much of Feb.


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gefs.aspx?run=na&lg=850temp_35day&lglocation=London&charthour=006&chartname=ps_500hpa&chartregion=na-region&p=1&charttag=PS%20500hPa%20(GPDM)


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Control screams topplers to me


That would fit with Met office mid-late Feb narrative also 


 

moomin75
24 January 2021 18:55:02
ECM goes a bit "meh" past 144hrs but interesting before then.
Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Karl Guille
24 January 2021 19:04:33
Personally I don't think that it would take much of a switch to see colder conditions extending across a wider part of the UK in the coming week to 10 days! GEM 12z is a case in point.
St. Sampson
Guernsey

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